Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-21 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Sa, Jul 19, 2025 at 12:21:25 +0200 schrieb NoisyCoil: Like Andrey said, I think you might have misunderstood. The question was whether I am willing to remove the package shipping the bible because the bible contains that passage. If the question was whether I would remove that quote taken

CoC policy for package contents (was: Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ource code comments, or problematic variable names. This is not an accident; we are not the morality police, and I think it serves no purpose for us to try to patch out code of conduct-violating things in upstream source code. This is not because I think things like that are not a problem; rather, bec

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-21 Thread Charles Plessy
. The more you remove the more you may be asked to remove. And wouldn't it become boring if nothing is added? Debian's structure does not accompdate well data packages with dynamic content. A lot of software we provide have external plugins that we do not package. And - ahem - A

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-20 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > The quote from the bible was only in the bible, not in any other > package, as far as I know. The referenced double standard was: we allow > shipping the bible, which contains violent content, but we don't allow > fortunes, which contains violent content. fortunes do not contain anything

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-19 Thread NoisyCoil
it speaks about violence towards children and the Bible also speaks about violence towards children. It is that it is*a quote* from the Bible. Like Andrey said, I think you might have misunderstood. The question was whether I am willing to remove the package shipping the bible because the bibl

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-19 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 06:39:39PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote: As far as I can tell from the discussion and online translations (please correct me if I am wrong), the text that is being referenced here about killing children is Psalms 137:9. The King James Version of this text reads: "Happy sh

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Friday, July 18, 2025 5:59:06 AM Mountain Standard Time NoisyCoil wrote: > It's complicated, and nuanced. These complications and nuances do not > apply to your package, which is the subject of this thread. The complication and nuance of this entire discussion is what fascinates me and why I t

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread hf
Since this is about a very horrible sin like... jokes!... you are out of luck. This is a crime of the highest levels. If you would have instead raped multiple children in the ages of 7yo and 9yo, into a state where they can't piss anymore, that would be different. Then you would be welcome and pro

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Salvo, Am Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 04:43:38PM +0200 schrieb Salvo Tomaselli: > Without me debian would be shipping fascist and racist quotes like it > has done for the past 22 years, yet somehow I'm the bad guy. I want to stress again — as I tried to do in private — that I don’t consider you the b

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > As I understood it from a previous message, during his clean-up work, > the maintainer found a quote where beating women is encouraged. What did > he do then? He left it in the package! I even found a quote which says that killing children by cracking their skulls on rocks is good, but i

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread NoisyCoil
On 18/07/25 00:41, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Hello, You do understand fortunes-{it,scn}-off is not a sacred text? You do understand that suggesting that killing kids is good is extremely disturbing to most people? Me included. To answer your question directly, no, I will not be opening an RC

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread NoisyCoil
On 18/07/25 14:25, Marco d'Itri wrote: You may not be aware of this, but many people reject the idea that some text or object should be considered "sacred". I am aware, I am an atheist and agree with that viewpoint. Thank you.

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 18, NoisyCoil wrote: You do understand fortunes-{it,scn}-off is not a sacred text? You may not be aware of this, but many people reject the idea that some text or object should be considered "sacred". Hence arguing that a text containing some seriously disturbing passages is all right

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 10:10:42AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Am Fr, Jul 18, 2025 at 03:01:44 -0400 schrieb Tiago Bortoletto Vaz: > > obvious issue is being overlooked by some here. Debian will not only > > lose one user of the offending package as already inaccurately argued in > > this thread,

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Fr, Jul 18, 2025 at 03:01:44 -0400 schrieb Tiago Bortoletto Vaz: obvious issue is being overlooked by some here. Debian will not only lose one user of the offending package as already inaccurately argued in this thread, but contributors and developers who simply won't have the motivation to gi

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery writes: > A careful debian-devel observer could > have listed most of the people who would respond to the thread and written > a pretty good paraphrase of what they would say the moment they saw the > first few messages in the thread. FWIW I believe you do it better and better for e

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 11:12:14AM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote: [...] > > The package maintainer has already explained that he has the same general > feeling. There are some things he has already removed from the package > because he feels they are inappropriate for Debian. He has also express

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > If you are incapable of understanding the difference between an historical > text which was of its time > has great historical significance, contains both transcendental and offensive > content, and is > significant and/or sacred to literally billions of people all over the world, > vs

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 10:18:12AM -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > >I also think that certain things he has said here, and how he has said >them (for example, in his first message, "Can people who are offended by >the existence of systemd request to drop it from debian?"), imply that h

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Iustin Pop writes: > And again, I want to make sure it's clear what standard we hold > ourselves to, here. The standard that we hold *ourselves* to is considerably more than just "don't be racist" for any definition of racist. The code of conduct we passed via GR says: 1. Be respectful

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Salvo, If you are incapable of understanding the difference between an historical text which was of its time, has great historical significance, contains both transcendental and offensive content, and is significant and/or sacred to literally billions of people all over the world, vs. a moder

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2025-07-17 17:37:43, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2025-07-17 08:57:12 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: > [...] > > racism by definition has to involve a power gradient, and that > > definitionally something is only racist if aimed at a disfavored group > > by a group with more social power. > [.

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2025-07-17 08:57:12, Russ Allbery wrote: > Iustin Pop writes: > > On 2025-07-17 09:50:09, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > > >> Whether there can be racism against white people is an incredibly > >> complex question with a ton of baggage, about which many PhD > >> dissertations have been written and I

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > You do understand fortunes-{it,scn}-off is not a sacred text? You do understand that suggesting that killing kids is good is extremely disturbing to most people? > To answer your question directly, no, I will not be opening an RC bug > against the bible. Not "the bible", but "the debia

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread NoisyCoil
On 17/07/25 23:41, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Hello, Beato chi prenderà i tuoi piccoli bambini e li sbatterà contro la roccia! Debian is shipping the bible, which contains the above quote and many many other similar ones. Will you be opening an RC bug against it? I agree there's a case to be made

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > Beato chi prenderà i tuoi piccoli bambini e li sbatterà contro la roccia! Debian is shipping the bible, which contains the above quote and many many other similar ones. Will you be opening an RC bug against it? > You are indeed. It is very relevant, it is just not *much more* relevant

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread NoisyCoil
On 17/07/25 21:57, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Hello, I had started preparing a PR for removing stuff like that from sicilian offensive, because that only has a handful of fortunes and I could review them one by one and research them on the internet if I wasn't sure if they should be interpreted lik

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > I had started preparing a PR for removing stuff like that from sicilian > offensive, because that only has a handful of fortunes and I could > review them one by one and research them on the internet if I wasn't > sure if they should be interpreted like I thought (I haven't finished > thi

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Soren Stoutner
Debian to develop an explicit set of standards for what constitutes acceptable content and then remove individual items from the package that do not meet those standards. Developing consensus for such a standard is non-trivial work, as can be easily seen in the discussion so far. But it is imp

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Soren Stoutner
no consensus on this issue. My perception is that those who acted to remove this package believed there was a consensus and acted in good faith in doing so. But now that it has been demonstrated that there is not a consensus, I think the correct path forward is to put the decision on hold un

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 10:18:49AM +0200, Alex wrote: > >> Removing the package from future releases will not remove it from users > >> systems, and people who want to install it still have plenty of easy ways > >> to do > >> so. I understand your point of vie

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Thursday, July 17, 2025 2:45:44 AM Mountain Standard Time Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > I get where the confusion is coming from. I am indeed saying that > sexism, racism, etc. are never OK. But that jokes targeted at the > dominant group are not racism or sexism. > > There is no such thing, in

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 05:37:43PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2025-07-17 08:57:12 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: > [...] > > racism by definition has to involve a power gradient, and that > > definitionally something is only racist if aimed at a disfavored group > > by a group with more

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2025-07-17 08:57:12 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] racism by definition has to involve a power gradient, and that definitionally something is only racist if aimed at a disfavored group by a group with more social power. [...] Conversely, a problem I've had to directly struggle wit

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread NoisyCoil
On 17/07/25 14:30, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Sure, make a pull request to remove them. I had started preparing a PR for removing stuff like that from sicilian offensive, because that only has a handful of fortunes and I could review them one by one and research them on the internet if I wasn&#

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Antoine Le Gonidec
Le Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 08:57:12AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > Iustin Pop writes: > > No, it's not off-topic, or not entirely. The post I replied to was saying > > "it's fine to be racist against white people". > > No, it was not. It was saying that racism by definition has to involve a > pow

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Iustin Pop writes: > On 2025-07-17 09:50:09, Jonathan Kamens wrote: >> Whether there can be racism against white people is an incredibly >> complex question with a ton of baggage, about which many PhD >> dissertations have been written and I'm sure many more will be. >> This particular discussio

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > maintaining packages; I think it's unfair and unhelpful to take > pot-shots at other DDs over how many packages they are listed as > maintainer of. I fully agree with you. However I think that if one has time to harass me, one should have time to reply to me when I ask for help. It seem

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > You can't blame the community team for not doing something 20 years ago > because there wasn't a community team 20 years ago. The community team wasn't created last week either… > It's also unreasonable to say the only time a bug can be reported in a > program is when a new maintainer t

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2025-07-17 09:50:09, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > Whether there can be racism against white people is an incredibly complex > question with a ton of baggage, about which many PhD dissertations have been > written and I'm sure many more will be. > > This particular discussion we are engaged in here

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, it seems you are assuming my bad faith. > This lack of regard for other people's carefully considered opinions I'm sorry but I strongly doubt that the person who opened the bugs and the person who reopened the bugs even bothered to read what's inside those packages. Asking for removal wi

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I think you need to take a step back and calm down a bit really to assess the situation more clearly. You can't blame the community team for not doing something 20 years ago because there wasn't a community team 20 years ago. It's also unreasonable to say the only time a bug can be reported i

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Whether there can be racism against white people is an incredibly complex question with a ton of baggage, about which many PhD dissertations have been written and I'm sure many more will be. This particular discussion we are engaged in here is hard enough without going down this particular rab

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 7/17/25 9:15 AM, Hakan Bayındır wrote: I don't believe Salvo is angry about how his package is "not wanted here" anymore, but how the process is handled in the first place. That is not at all the impression I get. Salvo seems to be upset about how the request to remove

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2025-07-17 11:45:44, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:30:46PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit : > > I have a very hard time understanding how in two adjacent paragraphs you > > can say both "Sexism, racism and such are not, never were, and can not > > be funny." and also

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Matthew Vernon
Salvo Tomaselli writes: > Also I couldn't help but notice that the DD who opened the issue maintains 0 > packages. Just something I noticed. There are plenty of people who do valuable work in Debian other than maintaining packages; I think it's unfair and unhelpful to take pot-shots at other DDs

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Hakan Bayındır
On 7/17/25 1:18 PM, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:47:36 +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: since you agreed to it I will reply publicly. Thank you for your open words and for all the work you’ve put into this package. I understand that it’s frustrating when you feel your effort isn’t

Re: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Sure, make a pull request to remove them. But should stuff like this be blanket removed? > - Come fa sesso un esperto di UNIX? > - Unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; > more ; yes ; umount ; sleep . > -- Dr. Zap The real work is stuff like this: https://

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread NoisyCoil
Salvo, With the hope of being able to give you a hand as I'd really like to keep both the italian and the sicilian *offensive* fortunes package in Debian, I went peeking at the package and, unless I'm completely missing something, the second offensive italian fortune says that women's "no"s s

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Otherwise, waking up after 22 years, and making me waste 2 years of work is an abuse of power. > * not shipping a package in Debian doesn't remove its content (or datasets) > from the Internet (nor from the oldstable, snapshots, software archives, etc). It also doesn't bring back th

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
gt; > > > Any software packaged in Debian is automatically promoted, meaning that > > > Debian itself (as a project) is responsible for disseminating its > > > contents. This has nothing to do with free speech, which is currently > > > the dominant narrative used b

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Hello, > I get where the confusion is coming from. I am indeed saying that > sexism, racism, etc. are never OK. But that jokes targeted at the > dominant group are not racism or sexism. I can see the point but it's a wrong simplification in my opinion. A family member of mine is transgender and

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Oh I've embraced it, which is why I have been fixing things. I don't see how making me stop doing that job is going to make debian more welcoming, since nobody has ever complained about it, and once I stop doing it nobody will be doing it. So the consequence is -1 contributor, but is it going to

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-07-17 at 06:18, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:47:36 +0200, Salvo Tomaselli > wrote: > >> since you agreed to it I will reply publicly. >> >>> Thank you for your open words and for all the work you’ve put >>> into this package. I understand that it’s frustrating when you >>

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Frank Guthausen
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:45:44 +0200 Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > > Does that make it clearer where I am standing on this topic? AFAIU: All animals are equal, but cis animals are less equal than others. Does this summarize it correctly? -- kind regards Frank pgpuVZDf3ODs6.pgp Description: Open

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Agustin Martin
El jue, 17 jul 2025 a las 10:00, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud () escribió: > Let me offer you a different perspective: through the past conversations > around the offensive variant of the fortunes packages (in english), the > project has converged towards considering that this is not a package that it > wa

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:47:36 +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: >since you agreed to it I will reply publicly. > >> Thank you for your open words and for all the work you’ve put into this >> package. I understand that it’s frustrating when you feel your effort >> isn’t fully recognized or valued. I wan

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
his has nothing to do with free speech, which is currently > > the dominant narrative used by big tech companies to avoid > > responsibility when their algorithms promote hatred written by others. > > This isn't about silencing them; it's simply about not providing them

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
holds itself to evolve over time * a package that was shipped in Debian 20 years ago doesn't inherit a specific privilege to continue being shipped by Debian today * not shipping a package in Debian doesn't remove its content (or datasets) from the Internet (nor from the oldstable, s

Re: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?)

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
you could be more direct in the future, since we all know they are empty words. I know the release team is going to remove the package wether I want it or not, as I've already been reminded in debian-devel. I'm not that stupid :) But if you think you can go ahead and do that while some

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Antoine Le Gonidec
Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:30:46PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit : > I have a very hard time understanding how in two adjacent paragraphs you > can say both "Sexism, racism and such are not, never were, and can not > be funny." and also "making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive, > and

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> This isn't about silencing them; it's simply about not providing them > with our infrastructure to spread their hatred (jokes are one of the > most common form of expressed hatred). > > > you do not have to install this content if you do not like it. if you > > wan

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
lert: the Release Team will kick the whole fortunes-it and > fortunes-scn source packages out of testing if they need to). > > B) get over it, remove the offensive binary packages from the source > packages, close these two serious bugs and move on. Then if it *really* is > that impor

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> It's problematic because Debian would be providing its huge platform to > offensive/harmful content. Have you checked the popcon? fortunes-scn-off has 5 installs, 3 of which are myself fortunes-it-off has 85 installs, 3 of which are myself Would you define these numbers "huge"? -- Salvo Tom

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
promote hatred written by others. This isn't about silencing them; it's simply about not providing them with our infrastructure to spread their hatred (jokes are one of the most common form of expressed hatred). > you do not have to install this content if you do not like it. if you >

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Alex
>> Removing the package from future releases will not remove it from users >> systems, and people who want to install it still have plenty of easy ways to >> do >> so. I understand your point of view but maybe there are better battles to >> fight for. > > I

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I'm not sure why this is on d-devel and CC'ed to leader@, but let me try to answer in simple terms, as a random DD. Le mercredi, 16 juillet 2025, 19.42:06 h CEST Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : > QUESTIONS > = > > 1. Can the community team force me to remove a package, e

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-16 Thread Charles Plessy
behaviour is the problem, but from a systems point of view, the problem is the package. Its mere existence does create negative waves. Removing the package from future releases will not remove it from users systems, and people who want to install it still have plenty of easy ways to do so. I u

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-16 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:35:55PM +0200, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:42:06PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : > > I did that by removing tens of sexist, homophobic and racist jokes > > that were not in the offensive section, and had been there at least > > since 2004. >

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-16 Thread Antoine Le Gonidec
Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:42:06PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : > I did that by removing tens of sexist, homophobic and racist jokes > that were not in the offensive section, and had been there at least > since 2004. Does that mean that sexist, homophobic and/or racist jokes that were in the -

Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-16 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
umoristic value I kept in the offensive section. I did remove plenty of stuff from the offensive section. Now, in 2025, after 2 years of me working on this package, and while in freeze, the community team wants to remove the offensive section of the fortunes. When I asked for help to review a

Re: How to remove 19 raku-* packages from all ARM architectures ?

2025-04-19 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Saturday, 19 April 2025 18:23:06 Central European Summer Time Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > But I recommend you just leverage control commands while filing, since > ftp-master tools just parse the subject: Good idea ! Thanks both for the help

Re: How to remove 19 raku-* packages from all ARM architectures ?

2025-04-19 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 03:46:03PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote: > But I forgot that all raku-modules are Architecture: any, which means that > all > these module must also be removed from unstable/arm*. > > There are 19 packages to be removed from arm*. > > Should I log one bug for all 19 pac

Re: How to remove 19 raku-* packages from all ARM architectures ?

2025-04-19 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi On 18-04-2025 15:46, Dominique Dumont wrote: Should I log one bug for all 19 packages, or one bug per package ? I'm pretty sure ftp-master has workflows that desire one bug per package as I've seen that request often enough. Paul OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital sig

How to remove 19 raku-* packages from all ARM architectures ?

2025-04-18 Thread Dominique Dumont
Hi Currently rakudo cannot be shipped on arm architectures because of build issues. Upstream is working in this, but in the meantime, raku is not suitable for ARM. I've required the removal of moarm, nqp and rakudo from unstable/arm*, which was done a few days ago. But I forgot that all raku-

Re: Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On 16 April 2025 at 19:24, Paul Gevers wrote: | Hi Dirk, | | On 16-04-2025 18:55, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: | > | [1] https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi | > | > That appears to be a different set of packages. | | | The packages spotted in the original list, I assume you're ta

Re: Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Dirk, On 16-04-2025 18:55, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: | [1] https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi That appears to be a different set of packages. The packages spotted in the original list, I assume you're talking about all of them except maybe cantor and vtk9? boot: r-recom

Re: Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
w that you can't remove them at this stage of the release. | | [1] https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi That appears to be a different set of packages. It is comprised entirely of packages that the meta package "r-recommended" depends upon. [ The R 'engine'

Re: Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Paul Gevers
d on those architectures. I think it's best to assume for now that you can't remove them at this stage of the release. Paul [1] https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 at 23:04:47 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: If you need one of the team-maintained r-cran-* packages on a 32-bit or on a big endian architectures, which are not supported upstream, please contact me on the debian-r list and let's see how we can share the workload. It might be b

Planning to remove team-based R packages from 32-bit and big-endian architectures.

2025-04-16 Thread Charles Plessy
jects architecture-is-64-bit in the build depends and I will add a --little-endian one that will inject architecture-is-little-endian. After uploading the changes, I will then ask the FTP team to remove the team-maintained r-cran-* packages and all their reverse-dependencies from the excluded architecture

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2025-01-02 Thread Chris Hofstaedtler
* Holger Levsen [250102 13:03]: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 01:08:49PM +0100, Ansgar 🐱 wrote: > > I'm wondering how we can clean up suites like experimental and > > unstable. They tend to slowly accumulate cruft that nobody cleans up, > > including no longer installable packages. > > for experiment

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2025-01-02 Thread Holger Levsen
e: what Helmut said & does. > As a very simple start, I would like to remove packages from > experimental that haven't seen an upload for a long time (arbitrarily > chosen as before 2020-01-01 for the list below). I'd propose to be more "aggressive" and use 2021-0

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-30 Thread Chris Hofstaedtler
* Andreas Metzler [241231 06:59]: > On 2024-12-29 Helmut Grohne wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 01:08:49PM +0100, Ansgar 🐱 wrote: > [...] > >> I would also like to do something similar to unstable; maybe start with > >> packages uploaded before some arbitrary date that are also not included >

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-30 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2024-12-29 Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 01:08:49PM +0100, Ansgar 🐱 wrote: [...] >> I would also like to do something similar to unstable; maybe start with >> packages uploaded before some arbitrary date that are also not included >> in any of oldstable/stable/testing. These ca

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-30 Thread Bill Allombert
ple start, I would like to remove packages from > experimental that haven't seen an upload for a long time (arbitrarily > chosen as before 2020-01-01 for the list below). > > What do people think about this? Only if that does not lead to a subsequent upload of the package to be

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-30 Thread Helmut Grohne
art, I would like to remove packages from > experimental that haven't seen an upload for a long time (arbitrarily > chosen as before 2020-01-01 for the list below). > > What do people think about this? Thanks for cleaning up the archive. The proposed criteria vaguely makes sense to

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ansgar dixit: > musescore-snapshot| 2019-07-05 00:19:11.735843+00 I do have plans to pick that up once I find the tuits for it and have finished the preceding musescore{2,3} uploads. (Lots to do there.) So please keep that for now. Thanks, //mirabilos -- [16:04:33] bkix: "veni

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-29 Thread David Prévot
Hi, On 29/12/2024 13:08, Ansgar 🐱 wrote: […] As a very simple start, I would like to remove packages from experimental that haven't seen an upload for a long time (arbitrarily chosen as before 2020-01-01 for the list below). Yes please. > David Prévot >php-sabre-event (

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-29 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 01:08:49PM +0100, Ansgar 🐱 wrote: > I'm wondering how we can clean up suites like experimental and > unstable. They tend to slowly accumulate cruft that nobody cleans up, > including no longer installable packages. > > As a very simple start, I

Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-29 Thread Matthias Geiger
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:37:50 +0100 From: Matthias Geiger To: , Cc: Bcc: Subject: Re: Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable) In-Reply-To: <87ikr2zo6m@43-1.org> Hi, As a very simple start, I would like to remove packages from experimental that haven

Remove ancient uploads from experimental (and later unstable)

2024-12-29 Thread Ansgar 🐱
Hi, I'm wondering how we can clean up suites like experimental and unstable. They tend to slowly accumulate cruft that nobody cleans up, including no longer installable packages. As a very simple start, I would like to remove packages from experimental that haven't seen an upload for a

Re: Bug#1074175: netkit-rwho: remove for trixie?

2024-07-06 Thread Chris Hofstaedtler
On Fri, Jul 05, 2024 at 09:24:18AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > First, I think we need to understand the rationale for doing anything > about 'netkit-rwho': do we want to do something because 1) it is not > maintained upstream? or 2) because it is an insecure design?, or 3) > something else? At

Re: Bug#1074175: netkit-rwho: remove for trixie?

2024-07-05 Thread Simon Josefsson
t; Please have a look at https://github.com/alexmyczko/rutpime (there's > an ITP for it, and it has > been in new queue several times: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1013361 > > After a while I intend to clone this bug to ftp.debian.org for > removal f

Re: Is it allowed to remove attribution in public domain "licensed" source code? (and pondering about ftp-level reviews)

2024-03-31 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-03-30 22:09:46) > Is it so that the debian/copyright file is reviewed by ftp-masters > only for packages in NEW queue, and there is probably no automation in > place to flag subsequent copyright changes for re-review? It is my understanding that it is, and always has

Re: Is it allowed to remove attribution in public domain "licensed" source code? (and pondering about ftp-level reviews)

2024-03-30 Thread G. Branden Robinson
sible-island.net/personal/copywrongs.html If someone has rewritten an author's contribution such that none of the author's "original expression" (a manifestation of human creativity) remains in the file/work, then it is okay to remove their attribution and/or copyright noti

Is it allowed to remove attribution in public domain "licensed" source code? (and pondering about ftp-level reviews)

2024-03-30 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi! While reviewing xz-utils commits I noticed that a bunch of old copyright holder names were removed in https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xz-utils/-/commit/d1b67558cbc06c449a0ae7b7c1694e277aef4a78. Is this OK to do so? Having source code in the public domain means that there is no copyright, so n

Bug#1030565: ITP: libtext-undiacritic-perl -- remove diacritics from a string

2023-02-04 Thread mtj
-Undiacritic * License : Artistic or GPL-1+ Programming Lang: Perl Description : remove diacritics from a string Text::Undiacritic provides a module that changes characters with diacritics into their base characters. Also changes into base character in cases where UNICODE does not

Re: LibreOffice architecture support (was: Fwd: Plan to remove dead C++ UNO bridge implementations (bridges/source/cpp_uno/*))

2023-01-11 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Am 11.01.23 um 15:20 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: Hi Helge! On 1/11/23 15:03, Helge Deller wrote: Yes, sadly we don't have a working java right now on hppa, and it will probably take some more time to get one. At least I won't have time for it during the next few months. But it would

Re: LibreOffice architecture support (was: Fwd: Plan to remove dead C++ UNO bridge implementations (bridges/source/cpp_uno/*))

2023-01-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi Helge! On 1/11/23 15:03, Helge Deller wrote: Yes, sadly we don't have a working java right now on hppa, and it will probably take some more time to get one. At least I won't have time for it during the next few months. But it would be sad to loose those bindings... There are some efforts to

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