On 17/07/25 21:57, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
Hello,
I had started preparing a PR for removing stuff like that from sicilian
offensive, because that only has a handful of fortunes and I could
review them one by one and research them on the internet if I wasn't
sure if they should be interpreted like I thought (I haven't finished
this job yet).
I'd hold off for now since we don't know where this is all going.
Agreed.
Also if you are not a Sicilian speaker, please start by focussing on
the Italian ones.
I am. I mentioned researching stuff because although some of the
sicilian ones looked very sexist, I tried to get a better grasp of the
context before deciding whether they should be removed. I found none.
Most importantly if you don't think "fascism=bad" is relevant, I am
not really sure you are qualified to help.
I do.
don't have enough time to review those and given what I've already found
I'm not expecting it to be an easy job.
Yes, which is why I complain about the timing of this.
No, it is not*much more* relevant. Again, the offensive section
contains calls to beat women.
No. Fascism is very bad. I think it's weird and frankly worrying
you're saying fascism is not relevant. I hope I am misunderstanding
you.
You are indeed. It is very relevant, it is just not *much more* relevant
than calling for beating women. Removing both of these is very much and
equally relevant, each for their own reasons.
The stuff about beating women is there BECAUSE I MOVED IT AWAY FROM
THE NORMAL SECTION!
Check commit 2e4327de for example.
Without me it could have remained in the normal section another 200
years for what anyone here cares about.
contain offensive stuff. However, after looking into the package I think
they made the right call
It has been in the normal section for 22 years, it has probably been
seen by a lot of people. That is bad.
Now it's hidden in the offensive section where you had to go out of
your way to see it and be offended by it. Do you think it's the same
thing?
I really appreciate the job (believe me, I'm not saying this just for
the sake of it), but unfortunately some of that content is not even
offensive, it's borderline criminal, it doesn't even belong to the
offensive section. Yes, not having it visible for the majority of users
is 100% an achievement you should be credited for, and in this sense no,
I don't think it's the same thing. But also, Debian should not be
distributing that stuff, regardless of what binary package they're in.
They should not even be in a source package tbh.
We might discuss that I should have been less conservative about old
content… probably. In the beginning I was much less aggressive with
changes.
I'm relatively new here so I don't really have strong opinions on the past.
Best
Cheers!
-- Salvo Tomaselli I difensori della morale tradizionale sono raramente
persone di cuore. Si è tentati di pensare che essi si servano della
morale come di legittimo sfogo al loro desiderio di fare del male agli
altri. -- Bertrand Russell, Perché non sono cristiano. 1957 https://
ltworf.codeberg.page/
