Whether there can be racism against white people is an incredibly
complex question with a ton of baggage, about which many PhD
dissertations have been written and I'm sure many more will be.
This particular discussion we are engaged in here is hard enough without
going down this particular rabbit-hole. It's off-topic for this list,
and it's unlikely that anybody's mind will be changed on this particular
issue by a discussion here. So can we please, just… not get into it any
further here?
Thank you.
On 7/17/25 9:42 AM, Iustin Pop wrote:
On 2025-07-17 11:45:44, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote:
Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:30:46PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
I have a very hard time understanding how in two adjacent paragraphs you
can say both "Sexism, racism and such are not, never were, and can not
be funny." and also "making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive,
and it’s OK." You sound like a hypocrite.
So, are sexism, racism and such *never* OK, or are they only OK when
they're directed at whatever group or groups you happen to think it is
acceptable to oppress? Society has been there before (some group decides
that another group should be oppressed, marginalized, exploited,
eradicated, or whatever) and the results were not good. It doesn't make
sense for you to claim a commitment to non-oppression and then make
allowance for it at the same time.
I get where the confusion is coming from. I am indeed saying that
sexism, racism, etc. are never OK. But that jokes targeted at the
dominant group are not racism or sexism.
There is no such thing, in our current society, as anti-white racism or
anti-male sexism. Because these -ism are about enforcing an oppression,
and there is, by definition, no oppression happening against the
dominant group.
This is the most wrong stance to have on racism and sexism. There can be
racism against any person, and sexism against any person. If you say
"there can't be racism against X", what you're actually doing is being
racist against all X.
If we don't want to promote racism, then let's acknowledge that racism itself
is bad, not racism against Y. Otherwise you're just trying to switch
from racism against Y to racism against X.
very surprised,
iustin
