In data giovedì 17 luglio 2025 10:00:26 Ora legale dell’Europa centrale,
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud ha scritto:
> I'm not sure why this is on d-devel and CC'ed to leader@, but let me try to
> answer in simple terms, as a random DD.
Community team is a DPL delegation.
> they are a group of DDs trying to make the Debian project community a better
> place to be in
Right now they are only making me glad I decided to not attend the debconf,
despite having been offered funding to attend.
Also I couldn't help but notice that the DD who opened the issue maintains 0
packages. Just something I noticed.
> I think that if the project
> consensus (not unanimity) is that fortunes-off(ensive) ought to be removed
> in english, it also follows that they ought to be removed in other
> languages.
I would not presume to know what other people are thinking without asking
them. I don't automatically assume everyone agrees with me.
> A last point about your questions: obviously, the sudden urgency is that the
> project is getting really close to migrating all packages in testing to our
> next stable release.
Ok, and why did they have to wait 20 years for this, until I worked on it and
then suddenly wake up now?
What was the community and release teams doing in these past 20 years?
Where do I send the bill for my wasted time?
> I read that you're frustrated because a package that you care about is
> requested to be removed from the Debian archive, for reasons that you don't
> agree with.
Why are you ignoring the timing? They had 20 years…
I disagree with the reasons but I disagree with the timing even more.
> Let me offer you a different perspective: through the past conversations
> around the offensive variant of the fortunes packages (in english), the
> project has converged towards considering that this is not a package that it
> wants to ship to its users.
I asked for help to review all the thousands quotes. I am ok with removing the
really offensive ones, but there's also many that are just silly jokes.
> I think both Andrew and Paul reflect the project consensus (again, not
> unanimity) that was reached about the fortunes-off package in english
I haven't seen any vote. Am I missing it?
> Now, I think you have two options:
> A) escalate further. debian-devel conversations are calls to mobilisation
> (and is already triggering a too-long thread there), but concretely, the
> only recourse you have is to convince the rest of the Release Team to
> override Paul's decision. I think we all know how this is going to end
> (spoiler alert: the Release Team will kick the whole fortunes-it and
> fortunes-scn source packages out of testing if they need to).
>
> B) get over it, remove the offensive binary packages from the source
> packages, close these two serious bugs and move on. Then if it *really* is
> that important for you, work upstream to make the offensive "jokes" more
> accessible without involving Debian packages or infrastructure.
If you tell me who to bill for my wasted time while the community and
release team
took 20 years before this suddenly became of life of death importance, I'll
be happy to get over it.
> Really, I'd echo what Charles has written and encourage you to really decide
> whether this is a fight worth fighting. And I'd really encourage you to not
> try making this an issue of the Community Team's existence or members'
> actions (which it clearly isn't).
I did go and read the community team's page and the COC.
I fail to see why they even got in touch with me.
Normally if someone who doesn't even have a package installed reports a grave
bug that cannot be reproduced, it is completely normal to close the bug and
move on.
But if that someone belongs to the community team that is not possible.
So let's not hide the truth talking about hats and not hats. It was
done by the community team.
Best
--
Salvo Tomaselli
"Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di
senso, ragione ed intelletto intendesse che noi ne facessimo a meno."
-- Galileo Galilei
https://ltworf.codeberg.page/
