El jue, 17 jul 2025 a las 10:00, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud (<o...@debian.org>) escribió: > Let me offer you a different perspective: through the past conversations > around the offensive variant of the fortunes packages (in english), the > project has converged towards considering that this is not a package that it > wants to ship to its users. (How this convergence happened, and whether you > agree with the end-result are not relevant.).
Hi, Last discussion I found on this topic happened in debian-project thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2023/08/threads.html#00044 This happened in 2023 after fortunes-off package removal and I would not say it converged to anything. In last mails in thread some people proposed to leave things to maintainer criterium for individual packages. I think there are two things here. The way these bug reports were filed is not the best possible one. They should at least contain a reference to relevant discussions and a minimal additional reasoning. Also, if an member of the community team is acting on behalf of the community team should tell that and use their debian.org address. Second I think there is some confusion about what the -off packages can contain. It is clear to me that anything being an explicit call for violence or discrimination of any kind (by gender, sexual preferences, religion, ethnia, ...) should not be there, even if legal, as well as things of too low quality (although when such things on discrimination are in all possible directions and mixed in the same file could even be educative about how stupid discrimination is). However there are many jokes involving gender or other things that are just jokes and are by far not intended to really offend anyone. For instance, some jokes on men and women can be happily enjoyed by men and women being together. -off packages are just to keep people with very thin skin away from the package. My feeling is that Salvo has worked hard doing something similar, and I really appreciate his work, it is indeed a huge work. -off packages following that lines are OK for me. Regards, -- Agustin
