On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:35:55PM +0200, Antoine Le Gonidec wrote: > Le Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:42:06PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : > > I did that by removing tens of sexist, homophobic and racist jokes > > that were not in the offensive section, and had been there at least > > since 2004. > > Does that mean that sexist, homophobic and/or racist jokes that were in > the -off packages did not get removed? Only the ones in the regular > packages? > > If it is the case, the removal requests get my full support. Sexism, > racism and such are not, never were, and can not be funny. Not even in a > package explicitly labelled as such. > > I have no problem with offensive humour, but oppressive "jokes" are > something else that should not be tolerated in the *universal* operating > system. (making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive, and it’s > OK, while making fun of people already suffering from discrimination is > oppressive, and that’s not OK) > > If on the other hand I misunderstood and what you’re trying to preserve > is non-oppressive offensive jokes, then I have no strong opinion on the > matter.
I don't know how the history of where you are from, but in my country, there was a time when the prevailing view was something along lines of "all men are created equal, but some are more equal than others", which resulted in *exactly* this same kind of thinking specifically normalizing the mistreatment of certain groups of people. I have a very hard time understanding how in two adjacent paragraphs you can say both "Sexism, racism and such are not, never were, and can not be funny." and also "making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive, and it’s OK." You sound like a hypocrite. So, are sexism, racism and such *never* OK, or are they only OK when they're directed at whatever group or groups you happen to think it is acceptable to oppress? Society has been there before (some group decides that another group should be oppressed, marginalized, exploited, eradicated, or whatever) and the results were not good. It doesn't make sense for you to claim a commitment to non-oppression and then make allowance for it at the same time. I ask because it sounds like you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, saying that jokes of such a nature must be deplored but then also that their use against some groups is acceptable. Am I, as a member of a marginalized group, not permitted to make jokes about my own group? If that's the case, no thanks, I don't need someone telling me that I can't make fun of myself or of others in my group. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
