On 19/07/25 03:39, Soren Stoutner wrote:
On Friday, July 18, 2025 5:59:06 AM Mountain Standard Time NoisyCoil wrote:
It's complicated, and nuanced. These complications and nuances do not
apply to your package, which is the subject of this thread.
The complication and nuance of this entire discussion is what fascinates me
and why I think that Debian really needs to develop a comprehensive standard
regarding acceptable content.
As far as I can tell from the discussion and online translations (please
correct me if I am wrong), the text that is being referenced here about
killing children is Psalms 137:9. The King James Version of this text reads:
That seems to be it, yes. I haven't checked but the translation corresponds.
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones.”
Just focusing on this particular entry, it isn’t just that it speaks about
violence towards children and the Bible also speaks about violence towards
children. It is that it is*a quote* from the Bible.
Like Andrey said, I think you might have misunderstood. The question was
whether I am willing to remove the package shipping the bible because
the bible contains that passage. If the question was whether I would
remove that quote taken from the bible from package X, if that quote was
in the package with no other context (like fortunes are, for example) my
answer would be a hard yes, with no nuance.
At a surface level, it is pretty hard to say that it wouldn’t be a double-
standard for one package to be allowed to ship the text of the Bible but
another package be removed because it ships part of the text of the Bible.
The quote from the bible was only in the bible, not in any other
package, as far as I know. The referenced double standard was: we allow
shipping the bible, which contains violent content, but we don't allow
fortunes, which contains violent content.
The nuance of this is that context matters.
Exactly.
But how that plays out is
complicated. So far, on this discussion, I have not seen any proposal I would
consider a comprehensive standard by which we can judge the inclusion of such
packages in Debian. My hope is that we use this discussion to create such a
standard. My concern is that, after much discussion, no standard will be
developed.
That would be nice to have. The subject is extremely complex though, I
wouldn't have expected this specific discussion to bring about a resolution.
-- Soren Stoutner so...@debian.org
Cheers!
