On Thursday, July 17, 2025 2:49:12 AM Mountain Standard Time Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > > I think both Andrew and Paul reflect the project consensus (again, not > > > unanimity) that was reached about the fortunes-off package in english > > > > I haven't seen any vote. Am I missing it? > > No. The Debian project reaches consensus in lots of ways. GRs are just one of > the (most formal) ways. There was no vote, but as I read it, there's > consensus.
I think the contents of this thread demonstrate that there is, in fact, no consensus on this issue. My perception is that those who acted to remove this package believed there was a consensus and acted in good faith in doing so. But now that it has been demonstrated that there is not a consensus, I think the correct path forward is to put the decision on hold until after a true consensus of the project can be reached. My own personal opinions of this subject, which have already been expressed by others in this list, is that there are some things that reach a level of offensiveness that they should not be shipped in Debian and there are other things that do not reach that level of offensiveness. The package maintainer has already explained that he has the same general feeling. There are some things he has already removed from the package because he feels they are inappropriate for Debian. He has also expressed the willingness to consider removing other things from the package if someone can point to a specific entry that reaches the unacceptable level of offensiveness. As I do not speak Italian myself, I cannot easily review the actual contents of the package to see if I feel any of them cross the line of unacceptable offensiveness. Also, several opinions about where that line should be have been expressed in this thread, one of which I disagreed with in a separate email. Where we draw this line is an important discussion, but given the facts of this situation--specifically the existing efforts of the maintainer to remove content which he considers to have crossed the acceptability line and the apparent lack of anyone having pointed to any specific content sill remaining that is unacceptable for Debian--I am in favor of maintaining the status quo until there is a stronger consensus in Debian about where the line should be drawn between acceptable and unacceptable content and specific entries in the package are identified that cross that line. -- Soren Stoutner so...@debian.org
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