Re: Debian locking up

Seems that setting to memory to 768MB fixes it On Wed, 4 Jun 2025, xuser wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:53:01 + (UTC) From: xuser To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian locking up Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:53:31 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org My de

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen -- SOLVED!!

On 2025-06-06, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: > > Solution -- Found it: > > The problem was a setting the System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Desk= > top Effects -> and then under Accessibility, the Zoom option. Unselect the = > Zoom option and it cured my problem. Sounds like an option Ric

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen -- SOLVED!!

Solution -- Found it: The problem was a setting the System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Desktop Effects -> and then under Accessibility, the Zoom option. Unselect the Zoom option and it cured my problem. Thanks Greg! --   Jun 6, 2025, 08:09 by curtys...@gmail.com: > On 2025-06-03, in

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On 2025-06-03, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: > > I'm running KDE/Wayland (does the same with Xorg too) on Bookw > orm/stable and while using the system all of a sudden the screen > became "larger" than the actual screen -- like I was using some sort > of "virtual desktop." System Settings → Dis

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On 05/06/2025 03:21, Van Snyder wrote: This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love my old "Model M" IBM PS-2 keyboard. Reliable for the last thirty five years. Lovely "feel." Built like a brick sh¡thouse. Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "Pause?"

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 14:08:48 -0700 Van Snyder wrote: Hello Van, >There's a "Shortcuts" page but it's a list of shortcuts to launch >applications, Here, that page has an 'Add New' button right at the top. Plasma has a submenu (with some fairly esoteric things listed) which I don't recall seing

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

I have a Windows key on this keyboard (pressing it seems to do nothing). Pressing the Win key with Alt and moving the mouse and various combinations does nothing to "switch off" this mode and to restore a normal-sized desktop. Suggestions please? --   Jun 4, 2025, 16:09 by van.sny...@sbcgl

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 21:47 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 13:21:37 -0700 > Van Snyder wrote: > > Hello Van, > > > This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love > > my > > My thoughts, exactly. > > > Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "P

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 13:21:37 -0700 Van Snyder wrote: Hello Van, >This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love my My thoughts, exactly. >Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "Pause?" Yes, you can with remapping. It's not something I've ever had to do, b

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 20:40 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:23:24 +0200 (CEST) > intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: > > Hello intnsred...@tutamail.com, > > > every ALT key combination I can think of -- no luck. > > In testing, KDE has moved many of Plasma's ALT key combos to the M

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:23:24 +0200 (CEST) intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: Hello intnsred...@tutamail.com, >every ALT key combination I can think of -- no luck. In testing, KDE has moved many of Plasma's ALT key combos to the META (Windows) key. Really helpfully. Without notice or warning I could

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

Thanks Cindy! But I've tried about every ALT key combination I can think of -- no luck. Thus I'm hoping some kind soul here will notice this thread and whack me (gently) with a clue-bat. --  Celebrate the GNU/Linux "WE'RE *NEVER* GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE" by downloading an operating syste

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 01:31 +0200, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: >    I'm running KDE/Wayland (does the same with Xorg too) on > Bookworm/stable > and while using the system all of a sudden the screen became "larger" > than the > actual screen -- like I was using some sort of "virtual desktop."

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

On 5/26/25 13:02, David Wright wrote: On Mon 26 May 2025 at 10:11:50 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: Now I connect a SATA to USB adapter cable to a 2.5" SATA SSD and install Debian onto the SSD: https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/usb3s2sat3cb Can you boot it on both BIOS and EFI machines, l

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

On Mon 26 May 2025 at 10:11:50 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote: > > Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I > > need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I > > can use in any desktop/laptop) wi

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 10:11:50AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote: > > Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I > > need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I > > can use in any desktop/laptop)

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

El lunes, 26 de mayo de 2025, Richard Owlett escribió: > On 5/26/25 3:32 AM, riveravaldez wrote: >> >> Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I >> need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I >> can use in any desktop/laptop) with persi

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote: Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I can use in any desktop/laptop) with persistence and some way to upgrade it when next Stable gets published. Is

Re: Debian LiveUSB persistent/upgradeable (howto)

On 5/26/25 3:32 AM, riveravaldez wrote: Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I can use in any desktop/laptop) with persistence and some way to upgrade it when next Stable gets published.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> Tim Woodall : >> What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? > Yes. It's 2.2 from 2000. Wow! Talk about blast from the past! Potato was my first debian version. I created a netboot floppy for potato and used it to install debian on several computers, downloading everything over the net.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-11, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > [snip] >> >> This thread is a waist of time! >> > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. It's a pretty hip saying. > Cheers > Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE > > >

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:48:55AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: For a futile attempt at correcting topic drift, I commented about laptops and their displays. So how many laptops do you have with a 16:10 aspect display and from which decade are they from? I know of exactly one model from this decade

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 06:29:58AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: This is simple: if you have a 7 year old machine, find someone throwing out a 4 year old machine, take it, and throw out the 7 year old machine instead. Refusing to ta

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-12, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote: >> The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially >> useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an >> efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them. > > > In ye

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 12:30 AM wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > [...] > > > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer > > > period. > > > > What are you even talking about? > > Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and sh

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Eben King writes: > On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote: >> Stefan Monnier writes: >> It does seem like the slightly longer 16:10 screens are making a >> comeback, at least in the Thinkpad T16. > > Two of my monitors have that aspect ratio. Well, why not, let's ramble on about loosely related

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: [...] > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer > > period. > > What are you even talking about? Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and shipping, and...) over a longer time. > > I don't follow yo

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote: The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them. In years past, I bought used computers and components via c

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Get a life! On 5/11/2025 12:37 PM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] This thread is a waist of time! Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Hi, On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 04:37:08PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > > This thread is a waist of time! > > > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Some people just like to explore the pant leg less travelled

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 05:58:43PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > more, but it usually makes sens

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] > > This thread is a waist of time! > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 12:15 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: >> Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): >>> On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T6

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer batter

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my >>> old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer >>> battery life, much lighter, much s

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier writes: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly faster, and it suffe

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-10, Thomas Dineen wrote: > In love with old hardware? > > Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! I had two rescue cats, but when they died it hurt so much I don't want to go through that again.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer > battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly > faster, and it suffered from a shorter screen, so in th

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-10, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other >> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much >> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing >> what's possible. > > Hmm... FWIW, here are the comput

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:44:09AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > This thread is a waist of time! You seem to like waisting your time. Wait until it is the wrist's turn... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:44:09 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This thread is a waist of time! Not when it produces delightful misspellings like this one. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Yes I am about to: Household and yard work! Suggest you go do something useful: For yourself, your family your home, your community. This thread is a waist of time! On 5/10/2025 10:40 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] Or maybe

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? Grumpy today? Jeez. Go do some sports. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

In love with old hardware? Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? On 5/10/2025 4:30 AM, songbird wrote: Oliver Schode wrote: ... My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will always carry the day if only because

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > > more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic > > devices as long as they

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic devices as long as they can do their job. That usually means at least 10 years. No need for any h

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Stefan Monnier wrote: > > * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being > >told that they are!), > > The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for > decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement > in efficiency is readily av

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Stefan Monnier wrote: >> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > > And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! the timescale of how long too. Fukushima is dragging on and on and Chernobyl is becoming a mess again and no end for that one seems to be

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Oliver Schode wrote: ... > My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will > always carry the day if only because there were strictly less gadgety > things around in the past, with much fewer still with us, and this is > strictly always true. Quantity matters, this isn't just a

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/9/25 22:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! Stefan

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being >told that they are!), The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement in efficiency is readily available in the form measurement of

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other > kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much > practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing > what's possible. Hmm... FWIW, here are the computers I use on a regular basis: - Thinkpad X30

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on > ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where > only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electr

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:43:45 - (UTC) Greg wrote: > > What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > Big power plants are obviously great consumers of power themselves, some of the greatest probably. More notoriously, they'll usually need lots of power to power up, nothing

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-08, wrote: > >> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research >> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 >> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. > > Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this topic, too (and > am mulling to have a d

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

Good idea! On Thu, 8 May 2025, David Christensen wrote: Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 11:10:06 -0700 From: David Christensen To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 18:10:28 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 06:38:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research > online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 > emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Stefan Monnier wrote: >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a lapto

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Thomas Dineen wrote: This whole thread is INSANE!!! Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS! On 5/8/25 11:16 AM, Charles Curley wrote: Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:53:26AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! What is this with some people wanting to prescribe others what to do? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:53:26 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! > > Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be > USELESS! Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so. People

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

On 5/7/25 20:38, xuser wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + (UTC) xuser wrote: After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen. I doubt it was the libreoffice upgrade that d

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/8/25 7:05 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was necessary to produce the laptop) is typically higher than all the electricity

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > >While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying >a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy >in

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

This whole thread is INSANE!!! Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS! Too slow to run modern applications! Memory is too small, Hard Drive is way t small. On 5/5/2025 1:01 PM, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OL

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAI

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

So how much energy has this thread wasted? On 5/8/2025 9:33 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100,debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Greg wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more rece

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk > wrote: > > Greg wrote: > > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg wrote: > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Greg wrote: > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded > > energy in a

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

xuser composed on 2025-05-08 14:59 (UTC): > I guess the old re-install will always work :) You should be able to boot your installed Bookworm using Bookworm installation media, then diagnose and repair whatever went wrong. Is yours a UEFI installation? Is it your exclusive OS installation on the

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a laptop (i.e. the energy t

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

I guess the old re-install will always work :) On Thu, 8 May 2025, Geert Stappers wrote: Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 06:36:26 +0200 From: Geert Stappers To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 04:36:42 + (UTC) Resent-From

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than > something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was nec

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >>NetBSD is a possibility: > > Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project > most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of > the linux distros. But honestl

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 03:38:20AM +, xuser wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + xuser wrote: > > > > > After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not > > > boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen. > > > > I

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

I tries that and also tried re-running grub-install and it still did not work I installed debian 12.2 along side the other one and now it works On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote: Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 21:22:13 -0600 From: Charles Curley To: Debian Users Subject: Re: Debian 12 not

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + (UTC) xuser wrote: > After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not > boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen. I doubt it was the libreoffice upgrade that did it. It might have been something else that was upgraded at the same ti

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: NetBSD is a possibility: Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of the linux distros. But honestly, as a unix system a $35 ras

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

TinyCore linux might work, but I know it's not debian. Kind Regards, Benjamin On Wed, 7 May 2025, mick.crane wrote: Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:58:56 +0100 From: mick.crane To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware? Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 10:59:24

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-05 21:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 Regards, Rafal It is OT. I insta

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Tue 06 May 2025 at 07:36:36 (+), Tim Woodall wrote: > These are the older debian versions with their release dates > #wheezy 7 2016-06-04 > #squeeze 6 2012-03-10 My notes show: 6 squeeze 2011-02-06 7 wheezy 2013-05-04 8 jessie 2015-04-25 9 stretch 2017-06-17

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:46:51 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała > wrote: > > > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > > what "image" should I use? > > > > Hardware spec: > > > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > > RAM: 32MB > >

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Rafał Lichwała writes: > Hi, > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 1998 > CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 > I have run debian on older hardwa

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> If you want to connect a machine that old to the Internet today, I > suspect it might be possible to build a modern kernel that will run on > it (which would be a starting point) but it would take a lot of fine > tuning of the build configuration. As a reality-check: OpenWRT currently require

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 09:41:05AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote: > > What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? > > It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000. > > > > Would it still be supported with security patches? > > No,

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote: What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000. Would it still be supported with security patches? No, security supported stopped for Potato 22 years ago. If not, would it not be unsaf

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Tue, 6 May 2025, Bret Busby wrote: On 6/5/25 05:56, Tim Woodall wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon 05 May 2025 at 22:01:18 (+0200), Rafał Lichwała wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? See below. > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 1998 > CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 10:01:18PM +0200, Rafał Lichwała wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what > "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB Since your 32M of RAM is below the minimum for the current install

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? The answer is "yes", but it depends what you mean by "Debian" and more importantly it depends what you want to do with it. Stefan

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/5/25 15:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 A couple years ago I successfully bo

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-05 4:01 PM, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? It should be possible using Debian version from that era, or somewhat later. https://www.debian.org/releases Check “Debian archive” whether insta

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/5/25 13:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? That depends upon the hardware, upon the system administrator knowledge and skill, and upon what technical resources are available. If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec:

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 6/5/25 05:56, Tim Woodall wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 The ram is going to be your bigge

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała wrote: > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 1998 > CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0

Re: Debian

> Worse than that, if this is the original netgear "firmware", I have no idea > how close to a normal debian system it ever was, what the actual hardware > is, or whether that hardware is supported by debian itself (vs only with > netgear modifications). A quick google suggests that the netgear > m

Re: Debian

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 03:27:10PM +, Andy Smith wrote: However, the release you're running (Debian 6 squeeze) went into limited lTS in 2014 and complete end of life in 2016. Packages for it don't exist any more on the regular Debian mirrors and would have to be obtained from archive.debian.n

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