On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:

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> > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer
> > period.
> 
> What are you even talking about?

Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and shipping, and...) over
a longer time.

> > I don't follow your logic, sorry.
> 
> This is simple: if you have a 7 year old machine, find someone throwing out
> a 4 year old machine, take it, and throw out the 7 year old machine instead.
> Refusing to take the newer machine does not affect demand for new machines
> *at all*.

Of course it does. The used/refurbished market also dries up (I'm in a waiting
list for an X series Thinkpad at my refurb dealer right now).

> You don't get a carbon credit by obstinately holding on to an old
> machine, especially since the new machine is likely more efficient.

We went around full circle: I think I'm out now. You keep your opinion,
I keep mine.

> The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially useful machines that 
> get
> trashed, the issue is that there isn't an efficient market for getting those
> machines to people who can use them.

Around here, there is a market. Whether it is "efficient" according to your
criteria I don't know (and to be honest, I don't really want to).

Cheers
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t

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