On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 12:30 AM <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > [...] > > > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer > > > period. > > > > What are you even talking about? > > Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and shipping, and...) over > a longer time. > > > > I don't follow your logic, sorry. > > > > This is simple: if you have a 7 year old machine, find someone throwing > out > > a 4 year old machine, take it, and throw out the 7 year old machine > instead. > > Refusing to take the newer machine does not affect demand for new > machines > > *at all*. > > Of course it does. The used/refurbished market also dries up (I'm in a > waiting > list for an X series Thinkpad at my refurb dealer right now). > > > You don't get a carbon credit by obstinately holding on to an old > > machine, especially since the new machine is likely more efficient. > > We went around full circle: I think I'm out now. You keep your opinion, > I keep mine. > > > The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially useful machines > that get > > trashed, the issue is that there isn't an efficient market for getting > those > > machines to people who can use them. >
I purchase refurbished equipment regularly. I use https://reebelo.com/ They usually have a good selection. I am a fan of MacBooks. The hardware anyway, Mac OS is my least favorite UNIX. I have two Intel MAC's running Debian Stable. One MacBook Pro and One MacBook Air. I got the air for less than $200 Dollars. I messed around with it for a while and I am going to give it to my 6 year old nephew with a nice clean install of Trixie once it is released as stable. > > Around here, there is a market. Whether it is "efficient" according to your > criteria I don't know (and to be honest, I don't really want to). > > Cheers > -- > t > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
