Furthermore... IBM is in no position to offer ANYTHING
to Oracle regarding their status in the Kato podling.
Our rules forbid collusion and corporate block voting,
so even if every person on the PPMC were an IBM employee
they'd still be expected to cast their votes for a prospective
Oracle committ
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies
> wrote:
>> And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
>> review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
>> people have to step up to help.
>
> This Board
Wow, the Kato JSR is IBM-led, so there aren't even
any IP obstacles to continuing on as an Apache project.
No Apache project should ever put itself in the position
of saying to the world: please leave us alone while we
await the arrival of X. For any value of X. Apache
projects are supposed to be
It's not just the quarterly reports that aren't being
well-utilized, it's releases too. Some of these podlings
still don't get how essential it is to a healthy functioning
Apache community to produce and maintain releases. There
are projects like Tashi who just noodle around in the source
code wi
On 17 January 2012 01:06, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> We may also have semantic gaps. Leo's [RT] may be presuming that a
>> podling's "board report"[sic] is merely a bureaucratic requirement.
>
>
> Hmm :-)
>
> And so the threads collide...
>
> ...I
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> We may also have semantic gaps. Leo's [RT] may be presuming that a
> podling's "board report"[sic] is merely a bureaucratic requirement.
Hmm :-)
And so the threads collide...
...I guess I'll allow it. But since we're in my thoughts now, I'll
Hey Don,
Thanks for your reply. You are quite right, of course. I hope I am
also right at the same time :-). Maybe I can clarify...
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:
> Like Apache, But Sexier...LABS? I can totally see that. Anyone want
> to start an Apache LABS podling?
I
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Matt Franklin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5:
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Evidence Of Registration:
Searched "Rave" at Trademarkia found the fol
It may also be pertinent to note that the codebases here in question
are also ALv2 licensed.
Matt
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
> Hi, all--per [1], "Generally, the mentors of a new project will need
> to consult with general@incubator.apache.org or the Apache legal team
> a
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Matt Franklin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5:
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Searched for Rave on
* www.goog
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Matt Franklin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5:
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Searched for "Rave" projects at http
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Karl Wright wrote:
> With Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We need one more...
Anyone mind helping with the release?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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One of our podlings (Rave) is starting to prepare for graduation and
have asked what the status page means when it says "If request from
anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess the fit with the
ASF, and create the lists and modules under the incubator
address/module names if accepted."
I
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Benson Margulies
wrote:
> Don,
>
> I think that place where you, Leo, and Sam meet up is in the
> identification and clarification of *minimal* legal and procedural
> requirements.
>
> Sam's repeated over and over that he is, in effect, trying to
> establish the m
I can't figure out what is more important to you
at this point Robert, salvaging your ego or helping
your podling succeed here. If I were in your shoes
I would stop trying to defend my past actions there
and give the podling a clear choice: what's more
important to them- faithful implementation
Don,
I think that place where you, Leo, and Sam meet up is in the
identification and clarification of *minimal* legal and procedural
requirements.
Sam's repeated over and over that he is, in effect, trying to
establish the minimal level of oversight and supervision of podlings
(and that the quest
On 2012-01-15, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>> I found very little evidence that creadur is extensively used in
>> commerce, outside "Creadur GmbH" and a wildlife artist.
Creadur GmbH sells modelling clay so I don't think there is any
potential for confusion. Apache Creadur looks good to me.
St
On Jan 16, 2012, at 5:50 AM, sebb wrote:
> Entries in podling gora not in incubator group: ferdy
Done!
[mattmann@minotaur]/home/mattmann(24): modify_unix_group.pl incubator -add=ferdy
Password for 'mattmann' (^D aborts):
Done!
Notification sent to .
[mattmann@minotaur]/home/mattmann(25):
Cheer
Establish Whether "Apache Rave" would be a Suitable Name
Key: PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5
Project: Podling Suitable Names Search
Done in r32974.
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Please provide full Email addresses in the resolution, even
> if apache.org. This is the official resolution that creates
> the PMC and, as such, needs this info.
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mattmann, Chris A
Hello,
ognl has left the incubator before a while but it seems there are
incubator ognl mailinglists there. Do they need to be closed after
graduation?
Cheers
Christian
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Please provide full Email addresses in the resolution, even
if apache.org. This is the official resolution that creates
the PMC and, as such, needs this info.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hey Board@,
>
> Ferdy Galema accepted our invite for the Gora PPMC + commi
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> The email suggests termination as the final solution for a number of podlings
As mentioned in the referenced email, this was a "subjective
recommendation" based on a "quick (i.e. incomplete) review". There has
since been followu
Like Apache, But Sexier...LABS? I can totally see that. Anyone want
to start an Apache LABS podling?
I'm speaking as someone who lurks on a few prodling lists, plus the
incubator. There's stuff I've picked up sort of by osmosis (absorbing
through membranes and the skin, rather like how one lear
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
>> wrote:
>>> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
Terminating projects with active com
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
>>
>> Can you please pr
Hey folks,
I started writing this e-mail in November or so. My normal approach
with stuff like this is wait for a non-contentious quiet period before
starting a new thread, to maximize the chance the words will be read
for what they say rather than interpreted in the context of some
heated debate.
Entries in podling bloodhound not in incubator group: gmj,hwright
Entries in podling giraph not in incubator group: ssc
Entries in podling gora not in incubator group: ferdy
Command to update incubator group:
modify_unix_group.pl incubator -add=ferdy,gmj,hwright,ssc
Please ensure when adding exi
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >
> > The IPMC strongly and clearly expressed the opinion that the Kato
> > Mentors needs to be more active or face termination. This is the
> > solution I favour personally.
>
> Incorrect. Some members of the IPMC (including myself) have strongly
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
>
> Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that states
> that a project with
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
> terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
> status review was the source of this:
:-)
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
Hi all,
The Apache ODF Toolkit(Incubating) team is pleased to announce the release
of 0.5-incubating. This is our first Apache release.
The Apache ODF Toolkit is a set of Java modules that allow programmatic
creation, scanning and manipulation of Open Document Format (ISO/IEC 26300
== ODF) docume
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
> terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
> status review was the source of this:
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> On
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby w.
>
>
>
>> I would like to call on everybody to
>
>
>
>> focus on ensuring that reports
>> submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information.
>
> ATM the reports remind me
Hi,
There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
status review was the source of this:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> 2008-11-06 Kato
>
>
On 16 January 2012 11:56, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby w.
>
>
>
>> I would like to call on everybody to
>
>
>
>> focus on ensuring that reports
>> submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information.
>
> ATM the reports remind me of a p
On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
...
> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that states
that a project with an active community should be terminated?
Ross
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby w.
> I would like to call on everybody to
> focus on ensuring that reports
> submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information.
ATM the reports remind me of a poorly edited and reviewed
reincarnation of the Jakarta Newsletter. What
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
>
> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
Stop the drama and misrepresentation.
- Sam Ruby
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>
>> 20 Jul 2011:
>>
>> ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible
>> plan to graduate
>
> Thanks - I see now that the pressure for Mentors to active
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting
>> wrote:
>>> Projects like PDFBox
>>> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
>>> the fortunes of a
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
20 Jul 2011:
>
> ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible
> plan to graduate
Thanks - I see now that the pressure for Mentors to active against
their best judgment of the interests of the Foundation comes from the
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>> Projects like PDFBox
>> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
>> the fortunes of a project.
>
> I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>> On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
>
>
>
>>> The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC.
>>> I've started a thread on private. Threaten
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
>
> The IPMC strongly and clearly expressed the opinion that the Kato
> Mentors needs to be more active or face termination. This is the
> solution I favour personally.
Incorrect. Some members of the IPMC (including myself) have stron
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> -1
>
> The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations.
The IPMC has descended quickly in a long series of threads heavy on
personal abuse and light on constructive proposals. You call this
'discussion'. I call it a waste of t
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:59 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
+1
>>
>> Excessive snippage violation.
>>
>>> Voting to terminate a
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC.
>> I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their
>> podlings just muddies the waters.
>
> We are *not
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
>> wrote:
>>> On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
>> wrote:
>>> On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
Are people
On 16 January 2012 09:27, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes.
>
> This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is silly.
Robert, you know better than this. I can't b
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>> On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
>>>
>>> Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
>>> we t
On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>> On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
+1
>>>
>>> Voting to terminate a project through lack of success
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes.
This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is silly.
Robert
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
>>
>> Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
>> we terminated those poddlings just because some time period of
>> i
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> +1
>>
>> Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very
>> clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear
On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder wrote:
...
> ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
>
> Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
> we terminated those poddlings just because some time period of
> incubation had passed?
Can we please stop with this kind of langu
-1
The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations.We
have not come to an agreement yet and so this seems premature at best.
Furthermore, there is currently no definition of "parking". I have no
interest in voting on something that is not well defined.
Secondly, and more important
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>
>> Projects like PDFBox
>> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
>> the fortunes of a project.
>>
>
> I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM, ant elder wrote:
> I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent
> discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue
> using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance
> of past releases, small poddlings by d
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> --8<-
> [X] +1 Park Kato
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -0
> [ ] -1 Do not park Kato
> --
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On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> +1
>
> Excessive snippage violation.
>
>> Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very
>> clear message
I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent
discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue
using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance
of past releases, small poddlings by definition have limited
resources, so would struggle with th
Kato implements a specification. Work on this specification is
currently suspended and its future is unknown. IMHO Kato was healthy
and progressing towards eventual graduation before this external
problem stopped work.
Creating, reading and review reports for podlings in this unusual
situation is
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Projects like PDFBox
> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
> the fortunes of a project.
>
I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of why River turned
around was down to its participants, without t
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