Re: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Christofer Dutz
I'm just asking, because for example the previous projects, that i was a mentor of: iotdb and answer, who's email lists I used to follow, are completely closed to me now. During my job at timcho I was able to access their feishu insurance and participate. Now, I'm just as cut off as anyone else.

Re: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Willem Jiang
Hi Chris, Thanks for stepping in as a Mentor. You point out a common problem in the project community in China. There are some cultural differences between Chinese and OSS. Daniel and I gave a presentation[1] last year at the OSS Summit EU to explain them. I have to admit that WeChat is so powerf

Re: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Yonny Hao
Hi everyone, Thanks to Willem for introducing the project and me to the ASF Incubator community. Here’s my addition to JB’s first question: BifroMQ has no direct relationship with existing Apache MQ projects that support MQTT communication. Although the “MQ” in its name might suggest it’s jus

Re: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Willem Jiang
Hi JB, Please take a look at my answers below. On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 5:07 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > Hi Willem > > The proposal is interesting. > > I have two questions: > - any relation with existing MQTT brokers (Apache ActiveMQ, etc) ? Quick answer, BifroMQ is a distributed MQTT br

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Seata-go(incubating) SDK 2.0.0-RC1

2025-03-25 Thread Huxing Zhang
Hi, [x] Download links are valid. [x] Checksums and signatures. [x] LICENSE/NOTICE files exist I can not compile the source from on my mac m1. The error messages: make build rm -fr ./dist mkdir -p ./dist CGO_ENABLED=0 go build -ldflags "-X main.Branch= -X main.Revision= -X main.Version= -extldfl

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Dave Fisher
Putting it into the maturity model may be “best practices”, but it gets treated as “policy” >> We could possibly add an extra item to the maturity model [3] along the >> lines of “TB50. The project and third parties do not refer to anyone as “the >> creator/founder of Apache Foo”. with a link t

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, The incubator isn’t creating any new policy here. We need to follow what M&P comes up with and ensure podlings know about it. The current policy is here [1], if you want to discuss the changes, bring that up in the draft document or board list [2], M&P are unlikely to see the conversation h

Re: [DISCUSS] PouchDB Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Jan Lehnardt
Hi PJ & list, We have now reviewed the remaining dependency licenses to our satisfaction. Everything is in accordance with the Third Party Licensing Policy. I have updated the proposal accordingly. I have also taken out incubator. of the repo and mailing list names. We are ready to go now, but h

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Mar 25, 2025, at 6:09 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 11:31 AM Paul King wrote: >> ...For me the wording is critical. If the wording is "original >> creator of the technology behind Apache Foo" or similar I have less >> concern, assuming it is true... > > I

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 11:31 AM Paul King wrote: > ...For me the wording is critical. If the wording is "original > creator of the technology behind Apache Foo" or similar I have less > concern, assuming it is true... Indeed, for me the rule is simply to state facts and nothing else. Adding rul

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread tison
The policy proposed here, IMO, is not about silencing the fact, but about avoiding exclusive expression. However, I may consider developing different recommendations rather than adding "original"—perhaps "We're Apache Foo experts, contributing back and evolving with the upstream." IIUC people cal

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread tison
I agree with Julian's word and would like to share a previous thread [1]: A page telling the project history would be better than "I'm an original creator of Apache Foo" [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/b0ygk9y38t8yyfhz7sfpo0yh0xbfhk7s I respect people who contribute and dedicate a lot to the

AW: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi all, I agree … a full-blown MQTT broker fits perfectly into the landscape of IoT projects. Especially as MQTT is currently really starting to gain a lot of traction in the Industry (At least here in Germany). I would generally be willing to step in as Mentor. However, I have seen with many

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread justin
Hi, As Paul said, the current M&P policy asks to use “original owner” rather than “owner”. The current suggested changes would only allow this for two years after becoming a top-level project, after which “owner” current or otherwise, could not be able to be used, but this is still a work in pr

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Paul King
Yes, I agree to some degree with the points that Cédric and Julian are making. For me the wording is critical. If the wording is "original creator of the technology behind Apache Foo" or similar I have less concern, assuming it is true, but I also see wording sometimes that causes confusion or dimi

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Cédric Champeau
I would like to introduce some nuance here, because like Julian I think moral rights is an important topic. I'd like to make a difference between stating _facts_, that is "XY was at the origin of creation of ASF Foo" and explicitly promoting XY as the creator of ASF Foo. In other words, I think tha

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Julian Hyde
I don’t think it’s a great idea. It curtails an important aspect of intellectual property called "moral rights" — the right to be recognized for things one has created. I get why ASF wants to do this, given that companies are inclined to make expansive claims and imply that they control a proje

Re: [DISCUSS] BifroMQ Proposal

2025-03-25 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Willem The proposal is interesting. I have two questions: - any relation with existing MQTT brokers (Apache ActiveMQ, etc) ? - do you have plans to grow the community, especially "outside" of Asia ? Regards JB On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 1:29 AM Willem Jiang wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I’m exci

Re: Projects incubating for a long time

2025-03-25 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Justin About Nemo, I already recommended to discuss about retirement, I don't see a lot of activity. About Livy, we have activity on the project (contributions), but we should have a more strong activity on release. We discussed about retirement while ago but the community stepped up and Livy

Re: Use of of "creator of Apache Foo"

2025-03-25 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Justin, That sounds reasonable to me to add in the maturity model. Regards JB On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 6:56 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > There’s a discussion on the board list about using "creator of Apache Foo”. > [1] Also, see the current policy on it. [2] (i.e “original creator” ca

[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OzHera (incubating) 2.2.5-incubating-rc5

2025-03-25 Thread ??????
Hello Incubator PMC and Community, The vote to Release Apache OzHera (incubating) 2.2.5-incubating-rc5 has passed with 3 +1 binding votes and no -1 votes. (+1 binding) - PJ Fanning - Kevin Ratnasekera - Duo Zhang Voting thread:https://lists.apache.org/thread/r2frpbhbytd2c2z6h07nvtdk28n3ymdt Th

Re: What to do with Pony Mail?

2025-03-25 Thread sebb
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 07:41, tison wrote: > > Do we have an introductory about how Pony Mail works? > > Yes I noticed that https://lists.apache.org/ and willing to take a > look. But the last few times I jump into the code [1], I can't find a > way to understand how it works, how to set up a dev