I would like to introduce some nuance here, because like Julian I think moral rights is an important topic. I'd like to make a difference between stating _facts_, that is "XY was at the origin of creation of ASF Foo" and explicitly promoting XY as the creator of ASF Foo. In other words, I think that we don't have to erase history and mention that someone or some company was at the origin of a project at ASF. However, I think that this shouldn't be something _promoted_, which is a very different thing. e.g, having a home page which says "ASF Foo, a project created by XY" is wrong. In addition, it shouldn't be a problem for XY to say that they were at the origin of ASF Foo, unless it's an unreasonable representation of the truth.
Le mar. 25 mars 2025 à 10:41, Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> a écrit : > I don’t think it’s a great idea. It curtails an important aspect of > intellectual property called "moral rights" — the right to be recognized > for things one has created. > > I get why ASF wants to do this, given that companies are inclined to make > expansive claims and imply that they control a project. But it seems > heavy-handed, especially when it comes to individuals speaking about their > own work. > > As a software engineer, moral rights are a foundation for my reputation > and a career. If I cannot exercise those moral rights, the ASF has taken > away from me one of the few ways that I am rewarded for open source work. > > I’m not a lawyer, but I think ASF will have trouble enforcing this rule. > Of course it can silence its own projects — but that would mean the > projects cannot talk freely about their own origins and history, which > seems to me a healthy thing for a project to do. It may have some control > over companies that wish to use ASF trademarks. But I don’t see how it can > effectively control the speech of individuals, even individuals who are ASF > contributors or members. > > Julian (original developer of Apache Calcite) > > > On Mar 25, 2025, at 2:01 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > wrote: > > > > Hi Justin, > > > > That sounds reasonable to me to add in the maturity model. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 6:56 AM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> There’s a discussion on the board list about using "creator of Apache > Foo”. [1] Also, see the current policy on it. [2] (i.e “original creator” > can be used, not “creator” but even that is discouraged.) > >> > >> We could possibly add an extra item to the maturity model [3] along the > lines of “TB50. The project and third parties do not refer to anyone as > “the creator/founder of Apache Foo”. with a link to the policy. What do > people think? > >> > >> Kind Regards, > >> Justin > >> > >> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/2vt9cb20nsvqqtt22b9yg6bp2ojxlvoz > >> 2. https://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#marketing > >> 3. > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
