Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-16 Thread Jaco Kroon
Hi, On 2025/03/14 14:22, Sam James wrote: Arsen Arsenović writes: Filip Kobierski writes: On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone wrote: To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" AI packages I think that a new category should be created. Maybe sci-ai/ o

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-16 Thread Ulrich Müller
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025, Andreas K Huettel wrote: > ++ for sci-ai > (Now, is it really sci-ai, or should we also come up with dev-ai (for > libraries without explicit scientific context) and sys-ai (for accelerator > device drivers) in addition? :) The possibility that we could later add a de

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-16 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Gordon Pettey writes: > IMHO, "ai" is an extremely overloaded and over- and mis-used term. > It's nothing but glorified pattern matching, and calling everything "ai" > is very buzzwordy. I'd much rather see it named "ml". Personally, I don't really care that a relatively well-understood word has

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Sam James
Arsen Arsenović writes: > Filip Kobierski writes: > >> On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone >> wrote: >>> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" >>> AI packages I think that a new category should be created. >>> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> > This appears to leave us with sci-ai/* because: > > First, 'AI' seems to be the term that is commonly used (just look at > this mail's subject) and understood. > > Secondly, while others may find sci-ai to buzzwordy, that could also > been seen as an advantage. This. Buzzwordy is kinda

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Petr Vaněk
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 08:47:42AM +0100, Florian Schmaus wrote: > On 10/03/2025 21.40, Alfredo Tupone wrote: > > To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" > > AI packages I think that a new category should be created. > > Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-14 Thread Gordon Pettey
IMHO, "ai" is an extremely overloaded and over- and mis-used term. It's nothing but glorified pattern matching, and calling everything "ai" is very buzzwordy. I'd much rather see it named "ml". On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 7:23 AM Sam James wrote: > Arsen Arsenović writes: > > > Filip Kobierski wri

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-13 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Filip Kobierski writes: > On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone > wrote: >> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" >> AI packages I think that a new category should be created. >> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) > > I really like thi i

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-12 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 3/10/25 6:59 PM, Maciej Barć wrote: > W dniu 10.03.2025 o 23:42, Eli Schwartz pisze: >> I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved >> concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities >> relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going to get >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-12 Thread Alfredo Tupone
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:47:42 +0100 Florian Schmaus wrote: > This appears to leave us with sci-ai/* because: > > First, 'AI' seems to be the term that is commonly used (just look at > this mail's subject) and understood. > > Secondly, while others may find sci-ai to buzzwordy, that could also

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-12 Thread Bryan Gardiner
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:42:49 -0400 Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 3/10/25 4:53 PM, Maciej Barć wrote: > > Hi! > > > >> Although maybe it should be sci-ml. > > > > Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from > > ML - "Meta langauge"). > > > > sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-12 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 10/03/2025 21.40, Alfredo Tupone wrote: To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" AI packages I think that a new category should be created. Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) Thanks for your proposal. I would go with sci-ai/*, even if all packages und

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-11 Thread Maciej Barć
W dniu 10.03.2025 o 23:42, Eli Schwartz pisze: I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going to get confused with sci-ml/ for the same reason nobody w

[gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-11 Thread Alfredo Tupone
To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" AI packages I think that a new category should be created. Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) sci-libs has now 264 packages The packages that I can move from sci-libs in the new category are: caffe2 datasets evaluate

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-11 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 3/10/25 4:53 PM, Maciej Barć wrote: > Hi! > >> Although maybe it should be sci-ml. > > Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from > ML - "Meta langauge"). > > sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai (say, "app-ai/ollama"?) are nice IMO. - please don't top-post - Let's _not_

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-10 Thread Ulrich Müller
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, Maciej Barć wrote: > W dniu 10.03.2025 o 23:42, Eli Schwartz pisze: >> I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved >> concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities >> relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going t

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-10 Thread Ionen Wolkens
On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 09:40:09PM +0100, Alfredo Tupone wrote: > To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" > AI packages I think that a new category should be created. > Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) > The packages that I can move from dev-libs in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-10 Thread Filip Kobierski
On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone wrote: > To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" > AI packages I think that a new category should be created. > Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) I really like thi idea. For better or worse the field is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-10 Thread Maciej Barć
Hi! Although maybe it should be sci-ml. Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from ML - "Meta langauge"). sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai (say, "app-ai/ollama"?) are nice IMO. W dniu 10.03.2025 o 21:49, Eli Schwartz pisze: On 3/10/25 4:40 PM, Alfredo Tupone wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-10 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 3/10/25 4:40 PM, Alfredo Tupone wrote: > To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" > AI packages I think that a new category should be created. > Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) Of the three I favor sci-dl, since by and large these aren't really about