Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Thomas Dineen
Get a life! On 5/11/2025 12:37 PM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] This thread is a waist of time! Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 04:37:08PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > > This thread is a waist of time! > > > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Some people just like to explore the pant leg less travelled

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-11 Thread Darac Marjal
On 05/05/2025 15:59, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: Hello, Has anyone experienced the following setup: On a standard system (Debian GNU/Linux): - install keepassxc, create a master password and a database file [ alternative: keepass2, but mono dependancy ] - make sure that database file is on a git

Re: Feature request: Make deb822 default and deprecate old-style sources.list

2025-05-11 Thread Darac Marjal
On 01/05/2025 21:17, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu May 1, 2025 at 7:30 PM BST, Siddh Raman Pant wrote: A big red warning (and not error / failure) will bring a much needed kinetic force for the change IMO, on the same lines as the warning when using the old apt-keys stuff. Hence, I request for

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 05:58:43PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > more, but it usually makes sens

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 04:46:45PM +0200, Roger Price wrote: 2025-05-10 10:30:13 ERROR 429: Too Many Requests. Perhaps a wishlist bug for speedtest to display that error so people can understand what's going on. My previous guess that the bug would be fixed in Debian 13 looks to be wrong. T

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Eike Lantzsch
On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] > > This thread is a waist of time! > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: enable wifi on sid

2025-05-11 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 11 May 2025 10:02:38 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > I have tried booting with the last several kernels that I have > installed doesn't seem to work. I also can't find iwconfig. iwconfig comes in the package wireless-tools. You may need to (re)install that. -- Does anybody

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Felix Miata
Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 12:15 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: >> Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): >>> On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T6

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Eben King
On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer batter

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Felix Miata
Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my >>> old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer >>> battery life, much lighter, much s

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Eben King
On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier writes: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly faster, and it suffe

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-10, Thomas Dineen wrote: > In love with old hardware? > > Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! I had two rescue cats, but when they died it hurt so much I don't want to go through that again.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer > battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly > faster, and it suffered from a shorter screen, so in th

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-11 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-10, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other >> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much >> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing >> what's possible. > > Hmm... FWIW, here are the comput

Re: When an external disk is connected, the wireless mouse works by being connected from a shorter distance.

2025-05-11 Thread Serkan Kurt
Unfortunately, after updates this solution does not work. 16 Nis 2025 Çar 17:44 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > Serkan Kurt wrote: > > (Solved) Hello. I solved the problem as follows; > > I'm pleased to hear you solved the problem :) > > > 1- I created a file named "disable_usb3.conf" in the > > "/etc/

Re: Has anyone noticed Bluetooth stop functioning on recent kernels?

2025-05-10 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, Mar 29, 2025 at 04:34:48PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > I have a Beelink EQR6 running bookworm, and which has a Bluetooth > chipset. Yesterday I tried to turn on Bluetooth (as I don't normally > leave it enabled) and it wouldn't turn on. The only thing that appears > in the log is thi

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:44:09AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > This thread is a waist of time! You seem to like waisting your time. Wait until it is the wrist's turn... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:44:09 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This thread is a waist of time! Not when it produces delightful misspellings like this one. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread Thomas Dineen
Yes I am about to: Household and yard work! Suggest you go do something useful: For yourself, your family your home, your community. This thread is a waist of time! On 5/10/2025 10:40 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] Or maybe

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? Grumpy today? Jeez. Go do some sports. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread Thomas Dineen
In love with old hardware? Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? On 5/10/2025 4:30 AM, songbird wrote: Oliver Schode wrote: ... My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will always carry the day if only because

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > > more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic > > devices as long as they

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-10 Thread Roger Price
On Sat, 10 May 2025, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:26:49PM +0200, Roger Price wrote: > > Then why would speedtest work correctly from a browser connected to the > > speedtest.net site, but not from speedtest-cli coming from the same IP ? > > Did you try the --secure option? Y

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:26:49PM +0200, Roger Price wrote: Then why would speedtest work correctly from a browser connected to the speedtest.net site, but not from speedtest-cli coming from the same IP ? My Starlink IP does vary, possibly every 4 minutes, but that doesn't explain the persistent

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic devices as long as they can do their job. That usually means at least 10 years. No need for any h

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being > >told that they are!), > > The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for > decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement > in efficiency is readily av

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread songbird
Stefan Monnier wrote: >> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > > And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! the timescale of how long too. Fukushima is dragging on and on and Chernobyl is becoming a mess again and no end for that one seems to be

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-10 Thread songbird
Oliver Schode wrote: ... > My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will > always carry the day if only because there were strictly less gadgety > things around in the past, with much fewer still with us, and this is > strictly always true. Quantity matters, this isn't just a

Re: Xsane hangs while acquiring from saned scanner

2025-05-10 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:55 AM nmanca wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to setup a shared scanner in my home LAN from a Debian Trixie > server. So far, I followed the steps reported in [1]. I avoided the > ipp-usb protocol and relied on the older implementation based on net > sane backed as apparently

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread gene heskett
On 5/9/25 22:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! Stefan

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being >told that they are!), The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement in efficiency is readily available in the form measurement of

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other > kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much > practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing > what's possible. Hmm... FWIW, here are the computers I use on a regular basis: - Thinkpad X30

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on > ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where > only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electr

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Oliver Schode
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:43:45 - (UTC) Greg wrote: > > What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > Big power plants are obviously great consumers of power themselves, some of the greatest probably. More notoriously, they'll usually need lots of power to power up, nothing

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-05-09 at 16:26, Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2025, The Wanderer wrote: > >>> So it looks as if this will be fixed in Debian 13. Roger >> >> What leads you to that conclusion? >> >> My reading of the bug report I referenced is that the issue is that >> the server is rejecting conn

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 9 May 2025, The Wanderer wrote: > > So it looks as if this will be fixed in Debian 13. Roger > > What leads you to that conclusion? > > My reading of the bug report I referenced is that the issue is that the > server is rejecting connections because it's receiving too many > connections

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-05-09 at 13:32, Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2025, The Wanderer wrote: > >> This looks like bug #1024830. > > On Fri, 9 May 2025, Kent West wrote: > >> westk@westkent:~$ speedtest > >> Download: 496.67 Mbit/s >> VERSION_CODENAME=trixie > > So it looks as if this will be fixed in

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-09 Thread rhkramer
Thanks for the update on the solution -- it could help someone else in the future. (PS: Sorry about your fall and broken shoulder blades -- I hope they heal completely and soon.) On Thursday, May 08, 2025 04:22:08 PM Van Snyder wrote: > When I reached for that mouse, my forearm was depressesing

Re: Weird keyboard issues with Firefox in KDE6 Plasma Wayland

2025-05-09 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
Bernhard Schmidt wrote: Hi, > I have a very weird issue I can't quite trace, and I have no idea where to > start looking. Maybe someone has a decent hint where to start debugging. It > looks like some keyboard handling issues in Wayland apps. [...] > I tried to pinpoint issues and came up em

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread john doe
On 5/9/25 17:57, Roger Price wrote: If I visit speedtest.net and click on "Go", I get 356Mbps download, and 19Mbps upload with multiconnection via Starlink and a server in Paris. But when I load Debian 12 package speedtest-cli I get rprice@maria ~ speedtest Retrieving speedtest.net configur

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 9 May 2025, The Wanderer wrote: > This looks like bug #1024830. On Fri, 9 May 2025, Kent West wrote: > westk@westkent:~$ speedtest > Download: 496.67 Mbit/s > VERSION_CODENAME=trixie So it looks as if this will be fixed in Debian 13. Roger

Re: Xsane hangs while acquiring from saned scanner

2025-05-09 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-05-09 15:54, nmanca wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup a shared scanner in my home LAN from a Debian Trixie server. So far, I followed the steps reported in [1]. I avoided the ipp-usb protocol and relied on the older implementation based on net sane backed as apparently my Samsung SCX-340

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread Lee
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 11:57 AM Roger Price wrote: > > If I visit speedtest.net and click on "Go", I get 356Mbps download, and 19Mbps > upload with multiconnection via Starlink and a server in Paris. But when I > load > Debian 12 package speedtest-cli I get > > rprice@maria ~ speedtest > Retrie

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-09 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-08, wrote: > >> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research >> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 >> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. > > Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this topic, too (and > am mulling to have a d

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-05-09 at 11:57, Roger Price wrote: > If I visit speedtest.net and click on "Go", I get 356Mbps download, and > 19Mbps > upload with multiconnection via Starlink and a server in Paris. But when I > load > Debian 12 package speedtest-cli I get > > rprice@maria ~ speedtest > Retrievi

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread Kent West
On Fri, 2025-05-09 at 17:57 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > If I visit speedtest.net and click on "Go", I get 356Mbps download, > and 19Mbps > upload with multiconnection via Starlink and a server in Paris.  But > when I load > Debian 12 package speedtest-cli I get > >  rprice@maria ~ speedtest >  

Re: speedtest ok from site, fails on command line

2025-05-09 Thread Thomas Dineen
What is the latency for a Starlink round trip? On 5/9/2025 8:57 AM, Roger Price wrote: If I visit speedtest.net and click on "Go", I get 356Mbps download, and 19Mbps upload with multiconnection via Starlink and a server in Paris. But when I load Debian 12 package speedtest-cli I get rprice@

Re: System Crash in LibreOffice When Using Large Fonts with Black Text (Debian, Mint, Kali --Suspected i915 Issue on Debian)

2025-05-09 Thread Dan Purgert
On May 09, 2025, Rohin S Nair wrote: > Dear Debian Team, > > I am experiencing a severe issue on Debian and Debian-based distributions > when using LibreOffice with large fonts. > When attempting to display content particularly with large fonts and black > text the system becomes completely unresp

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-08 Thread xuser
Good idea! On Thu, 8 May 2025, David Christensen wrote: Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 11:10:06 -0700 From: David Christensen To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 18:10:28 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Re: silent mail drops

2025-05-08 Thread Antonio Russo
On 2025-05-08 08:37, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know what email program you are using, but SeaMonkey has an option to request "Delivery Status Notification". Try your application's equivalent. I've sent this reply to both you and the list so I'll have an example tracking message available f

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread tomas
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 06:38:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research > online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 > emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread Van Snyder
I've worked out the cause of the problem, and the weirdness of the apparent solution. I broke both shoulder blades in a recent fall. In particular, I still can't raise my right hand onto the mouse pad on the right side of my keyboard, and there's no space for one on the left. So I put my wireless

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 08 May 2025 12:42:38 pm gene heskett wrote: > > On 5/8/25 09:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 09:27:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> So, iiuc, one mouse works properly, and the other does not. My first > >> suspect > >> would be the

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread songbird
Stefan Monnier wrote: >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a lapto

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Thomas Dineen wrote: This whole thread is INSANE!!! Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS! On 5/8/25 11:16 AM, Charles Curley wrote: Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread tomas
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:53:26AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! What is this with some people wanting to prescribe others what to do? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:53:26 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! > > Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be > USELESS! Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so. People

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-08 Thread David Christensen
grade that did it. It might have been something else that was upgraded at the same time. If you can boot the netinst CD image, you should be able to run the rescue facility on it. Use that to run update-grub, and try again. > I tries that and also tried re-running grub-install and it still did

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 5/8/25 7:05 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was necessary to produce the laptop) is typically higher than all the electricity

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
eople is to pick up used 2-3yo laptops (e.g. from ebay or similar) and use them for a few years more. They'll be cheaper to run than *really* old machines (like the one that started this thread!), and by re-using a computer that already exists you're not adding anything new to the waste ene

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Thomas Dineen
This whole thread is INSANE!!! Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS! Too slow to run modern applications! Memory is too small, Hard Drive is way t small. On 5/5/2025 1:01 PM, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OL

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAI

Re: Problem with VLC H 264 after having installed ISPY package

2025-05-08 Thread Bernard
refresh it. /*I could suggest that you re-install…*/ (four lines dated dec 6 2020… => they are already in place, same date. So, I suppose that there is no need to re-install, since it is likely that the library file package did get re-installed when re-installing vlc. I don't know, bec

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread gene heskett
On 5/8/25 09:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 09:27:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So, iiuc, one mouse works properly, and the other does not. My first suspect would be the mouse hardware. If the problem mouse is the wireless one, I'd also suspect the driver

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Thomas Dineen
So how much energy has this thread wasted? On 5/8/2025 9:33 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100,debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Greg wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more rece

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread debian-user
wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk > wrote: > > Greg wrote: > > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread tomas
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg wrote: > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread debian-user
Greg wrote: > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded > > energy in a

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-08 Thread Felix Miata
xuser composed on 2025-05-08 14:59 (UTC): > I guess the old re-install will always work :) You should be able to boot your installed Bookworm using Bookworm installation media, then diagnose and repair whatever went wrong. Is yours a UEFI installation? Is it your exclusive OS installation

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Greg
>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a laptop (i.e. the energy t

Re: silent mail drops

2025-05-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu May 8, 2025 at 3:39 PM BST, Antonio Russo wrote: I can see my message on the debian-user list (and did so almost immediately), so it's got to be something specific to debian-devel. It's possible that -devel is currently being moderated; it didn't used to be, but some lists are/were, and

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread rhkramer
Good points! On Thursday, May 08, 2025 09:32:40 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 09:27:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > > > So, iiuc, one mouse works properly, and the other does not. My first > > suspect would be the mouse hardware. > > > > If the problem

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-08 Thread xuser
I guess the old re-install will always work :) On Thu, 8 May 2025, Geert Stappers wrote: Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 06:36:26 +0200 From: Geert Stappers To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 04:36:42 + (UTC) Resent-From

Re: silent mail drops

2025-05-08 Thread Richard Owlett
I don't know what email program you are using, but SeaMonkey has an option to request "Delivery Status Notification". Try your application's equivalent. I've sent this reply to both you and the list so I'll have an example tracking message available for working connection message for both. H

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than > something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was nec

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread tomas
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 09:27:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > So, iiuc, one mouse works properly, and the other does not. My first suspect > would be the mouse hardware. > > If the problem mouse is the wireless one, I'd also suspect the driver for the > wireless mouse. Or the b

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread rhkramer
> On Thu 8 may, 2025, at 04:01, Van Snyder wrote: > > I have two mice: One is wireless, the other USB, both Logitech. > > > > Suddenly today, the buttons started deciding on their own what they > > meant. For example, the left button in the center of a Firefox tab > > closed the tab instead of "to

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-08 Thread songbird
Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >>NetBSD is a possibility: > > Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project > most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of > the linux distros. But honestl

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-08 Thread Loïc Grenié
On Thu 8 may, 2025, at 04:01, Van Snyder wrote: > I have two mice: One is wireless, the other USB, both Logitech. > > Suddenly today, the buttons started deciding on their own what they meant. > For example, the left button in the center of a Firefox tab closed the tab > instead of "topping" it. T

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-07 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2025-05-07, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > Actually I went the git path because my first idea was to use the Debian pass > package, on Termux, with multiple password-GPG encrypted files that > don't change that often. That works for me, but for end-users a solution > like keepass2/keepasscx and keepass

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-07 Thread Marc SCHAEFER
Hello, On Wed, May 07, 2025 at 08:41:00AM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > syncthing does what it calls file versioning. > https://docs.syncthing.net/users/versioning.html Aha, interesting! Thank you.

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-07 Thread Geert Stappers
lity on it. Use that to run update-grub, and try again. > > > I tries that and also tried re-running grub-install > and it still did not work. My bet is on: The grub-install was done to wrong boot disk. (And "wrong boot disk" being not the boot disk.) > I installed debian 12

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-07 Thread xuser
I tries that and also tried re-running grub-install and it still did not work I installed debian 12.2 along side the other one and now it works On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote: Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 21:22:13 -0600 From: Charles Curley To: Debian Users Subject: Re: Debian 12 not

Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade

2025-05-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + (UTC) xuser wrote: > After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not > boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen. I doubt it was the libreoffice upgrade that did it. It might have been something else that was upgraded at the same ti

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-07 Thread Eben King
On 5/7/25 21:37, Van Snyder wrote: On Wed, 2025-05-07 at 20:47 -0400, Eben King wrote: On 5/7/25 20:03, Van Snyder wrote: I have two mice: One is wireless, the other USB, both Logitech. The scroll wheel magnifies or shrinks instead of scrolling. That there is what happens if the ctrl ke

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-07 Thread Van Snyder
On Wed, 2025-05-07 at 20:47 -0400, Eben King wrote: > > > On 5/7/25 20:03, Van Snyder wrote: > > I have two mice: One is wireless, the other USB, both Logitech. > > > > The scroll wheel magnifies or shrinks instead of scrolling. > > That there is what happens if the ctrl key is down.  Maybe you

Re: Mouse weirdness

2025-05-07 Thread Eben King
On 5/7/25 20:03, Van Snyder wrote: I have two mice: One is wireless, the other USB, both Logitech. The scroll wheel magnifies or shrinks instead of scrolling. That there is what happens if the ctrl key is down. Maybe yours is stuck, or the computer lost track of its up-down state? Try ta

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: NetBSD is a possibility: Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of the linux distros. But honestly, as a unix system a $35 ras

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-07 Thread xuser
TinyCore linux might work, but I know it's not debian. Kind Regards, Benjamin On Wed, 7 May 2025, mick.crane wrote: Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:58:56 +0100 From: mick.crane To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware? Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 10:59:24

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 7 May 2025 15:30:57 +0200 Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > e.g. syncthing (without > history apparently) syncthing does what it calls file versioning. https://docs.syncthing.net/users/versioning.html -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/b

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-07 Thread Marc SCHAEFER
Hello, On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 10:53:08AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: > > Has anyone experienced the following setup: > > I wonder how fast the git repo grows as you add stuff in the keepass > database? That's indeed a good question. I liked the idea of having an history of the password database

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-07 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-05-05 21:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 Regards, Rafal It is OT. I insta

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 7 May 2025 08:39:32 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: > On 06/05/2025 16:25, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > > I put keepassxc database in ~/Sync folder and use it on every comp + > > phone (keepass2android), sometimes simultaneously. > > Even if i does not have link to any other device (sometimes inter

Re: Open source, multiplatform password manager with sync capability

2025-05-06 Thread Max Nikulin
On 06/05/2025 16:25, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: I put keepassxc database in ~/Sync folder and use it on every comp + phone (keepass2android), sometimes simultaneously. Even if i does not have link to any other device (sometimes internet is broken), i can use credentials from local copy of database.

Re: Request for Snapdragon X Plus Support and Development for ASUS Q5507QA-S15 Laptop

2025-05-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
Reza Bojnordi [2025-05-06 09:53:54] wrote: > I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to inquire about the > possibility of enhanced support and development for the Snapdragon X Plus > processor, specifically for my laptop model, the ASUS Q5507QA-S15. There's arch/arm64/boot/dts/

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-06 Thread David Wright
On Tue 06 May 2025 at 07:36:36 (+), Tim Woodall wrote: > These are the older debian versions with their release dates > #wheezy 7 2016-06-04 > #squeeze 6 2012-03-10 My notes show: 6 squeeze 2011-02-06 7 wheezy 2013-05-04 8 jessie 2015-04-25 9 stretch 2017-06-17

Re: Request for Snapdragon X Plus Support and Development for ASUSQ5507QA-S15 Laptop

2025-05-06 Thread debian-user
gene heskett wrote: > On 5/6/25 03:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 09:53:54AM +0330, Reza Bojnordi wrote: > >> Dear Debian > >> > >> I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to inquire > >> about the possibility of enhanced support and development for the > >

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

2025-05-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:46:51 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała > wrote: > > > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > > what "image" should I use? > > > > Hardware spec: > > > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > > RAM: 32MB > >

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