Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> Tim Woodall : >> What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? > Yes. It's 2.2 from 2000. Wow! Talk about blast from the past! Potato was my first debian version. I created a netboot floppy for potato and used it to install debian on several computers, downloading everything over the net.

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On 2025-05-11, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > [snip] >> >> This thread is a waist of time! >> > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. It's a pretty hip saying. > Cheers > Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE > > >

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On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:48:55AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: For a futile attempt at correcting topic drift, I commented about laptops and their displays. So how many laptops do you have with a 16:10 aspect display and from which decade are they from? I know of exactly one model from this decade

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On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 06:29:58AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: This is simple: if you have a 7 year old machine, find someone throwing out a 4 year old machine, take it, and throw out the 7 year old machine instead. Refusing to ta

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On 2025-05-12, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote: >> The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially >> useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an >> efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them. > > > In ye

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On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 12:30 AM wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > [...] > > > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer > > > period. > > > > What are you even talking about? > > Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and sh

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Eben King writes: > On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote: >> Stefan Monnier writes: >> It does seem like the slightly longer 16:10 screens are making a >> comeback, at least in the Thinkpad T16. > > Two of my monitors have that aspect ratio. Well, why not, let's ramble on about loosely related

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On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: [...] > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer > > period. > > What are you even talking about? Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and shipping, and...) over a longer time. > > I don't follow yo

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On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote: The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them. In years past, I bought used computers and components via c

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Get a life! On 5/11/2025 12:37 PM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] This thread is a waist of time! Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

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Hi, On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 04:37:08PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > > This thread is a waist of time! > > > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Some people just like to explore the pant leg less travelled

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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 05:58:43PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > more, but it usually makes sens

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On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: [snip] > > This thread is a waist of time! > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. Cheers Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

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Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 12:15 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: >> Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): >>> On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T6

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On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote: Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer batter

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Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400): > On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my >>> old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer >>> battery life, much lighter, much s

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote: Stefan Monnier writes: FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly faster, and it suffe

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On 2025-05-10, Thomas Dineen wrote: > In love with old hardware? > > Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! I had two rescue cats, but when they died it hurt so much I don't want to go through that again.

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Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my > old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer > battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly > faster, and it suffered from a shorter screen, so in th

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On 2025-05-10, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other >> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much >> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing >> what's possible. > > Hmm... FWIW, here are the comput

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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:44:09AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > This thread is a waist of time! You seem to like waisting your time. Wait until it is the wrist's turn... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

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On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:44:09 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This thread is a waist of time! Not when it produces delightful misspellings like this one. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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Yes I am about to: Household and yard work! Suggest you go do something useful: For yourself, your family your home, your community. This thread is a waist of time! On 5/10/2025 10:40 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] Or maybe

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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: [...] > Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? Grumpy today? Jeez. Go do some sports. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

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In love with old hardware? Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling? On 5/10/2025 4:30 AM, songbird wrote: Oliver Schode wrote: ... My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will always carry the day if only because

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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any > > more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic > > devices as long as they

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On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic devices as long as they can do their job. That usually means at least 10 years. No need for any h

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Stefan Monnier wrote: > > * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being > >told that they are!), > > The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for > decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement > in efficiency is readily av

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Stefan Monnier wrote: >> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > > And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! the timescale of how long too. Fukushima is dragging on and on and Chernobyl is becoming a mess again and no end for that one seems to be

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Oliver Schode wrote: ... > My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will > always carry the day if only because there were strictly less gadgety > things around in the past, with much fewer still with us, and this is > strictly always true. Quantity matters, this isn't just a

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/9/25 22:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes

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> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it! Stefan

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> * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being >told that they are!), The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement in efficiency is readily available in the form measurement of

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other > kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much > practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing > what's possible. Hmm... FWIW, here are the computers I use on a regular basis: - Thinkpad X30

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> the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on > ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where > only two machines exist. Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electr

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On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:43:45 - (UTC) Greg wrote: > > What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder. > Big power plants are obviously great consumers of power themselves, some of the greatest probably. More notoriously, they'll usually need lots of power to power up, nothing

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On 2025-05-08, wrote: > >> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research >> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 >> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. > > Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this topic, too (and > am mulling to have a d

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On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 06:38:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research > online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 > emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Stefan Monnier wrote: >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a lapto

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Thomas Dineen wrote: This whole thread is INSANE!!! Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS! On 5/8/25 11:16 AM, Charles Curley wrote: Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:53:26AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! What is this with some people wanting to prescribe others what to do? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

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On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:53:26 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > This whole thread is INSANE!!! > > Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be > USELESS! Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so. People

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On 5/8/25 7:05 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was necessary to produce the laptop) is typically higher than all the electricity

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monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > >While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying >a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy >in

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OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 Regards, Rafal

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On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAI

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So how much energy has this thread wasted? On 5/8/2025 9:33 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100,debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Greg wrote: older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than something small and more rece

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wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk > wrote: > > Greg wrote: > > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't

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On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg wrote: > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying

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Greg wrote: > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity > >> than something small and more recent might use. > > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded > > energy in a

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a laptop (i.e. the energy t

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than > something small and more recent might use. While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was nec

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >>NetBSD is a possibility: > > Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project > most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of > the linux distros. But honestl

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On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: NetBSD is a possibility: Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of the linux distros. But honestly, as a unix system a $35 ras

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TinyCore linux might work, but I know it's not debian. Kind Regards, Benjamin On Wed, 7 May 2025, mick.crane wrote: Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:58:56 +0100 From: mick.crane To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware? Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 10:59:24

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-05 21:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 Regards, Rafal I

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On Tue 06 May 2025 at 07:36:36 (+), Tim Woodall wrote: > These are the older debian versions with their release dates > #wheezy 7 2016-06-04 > #squeeze 6 2012-03-10 My notes show: 6 squeeze 2011-02-06 7 wheezy 2013-05-04 8 jessie 2015-04-25 9 stretch 2017-06-17

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On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:46:51 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała > wrote: > > > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > > what "image" should I use? > > > > Hardware spec: &

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Rafał Lichwała writes: > Hi, > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 1998 > CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> If you want to connect a machine that old to the Internet today, I > suspect it might be possible to build a modern kernel that will run on > it (which would be a starting point) but it would take a lot of fine > tuning of the build configuration. As a reality-check: OpenWRT currently require

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 09:41:05AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote: > > What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? > > It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000. > > > > Would it still be supported with security patches? > > No,

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote: What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1? It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000. Would it still be supported with security patches? No, security supported stopped for Potato 22 years ago. If not, would it not be unsaf

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Tue, 6 May 2025, Bret Busby wrote: On 6/5/25 05:56, Tim Woodall wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon 05 May 2025 at 22:01:18 (+0200), Rafał Lichwała wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? See below. > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 19

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Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 10:01:18PM +0200, Rafał Lichwała wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what > "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB Since your 32M of RAM is be

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

> Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? The answer is "yes", but it depends what you mean by "Debian" and more importantly it depends what you want to do with it. Stefan

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/5/25 15:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 A couple years ago I su

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-05 4:01 PM, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? It should be possible using Debian version from that era, or somewhat later. https://www.debian.org/releases Check “Debian archiv

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 5/5/25 13:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? That depends upon the hardware, upon the system administrator knowledge and skill, and upon what technical resources are available. If so, what "image" should I use? Har

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 6/5/25 05:56, Tim Woodall wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-2

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote: Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 The ram is going

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała wrote: > > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, > what "image" should I use? > > Hardware spec: > > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz > RAM: 32MB > HDD: 6GB > BIOS year: 1998 > CD

Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

Hi, Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what "image" should I use? Hardware spec: CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz RAM: 32MB HDD: 6GB BIOS year: 1998 CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0 Regards, Rafal

Re: Very old hardware...

On 7/11/20 7:07 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Wright wrote: My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew some

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: > Sorry, "idling" is probably not the best term—I extracted the line > from a spreadsheet of power consumptions for a multitude of different > electronics and electrical appliances. For this PC, it means switched > on, but with only the NIC waiting for a wakeup call. So the dis

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V > > 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. > I knew some which issued 10 Watts alr

Re: Very old hardware...

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 davidson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 Davide Lombardo wrote: Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; DRAM: 64 MB SDDR GPU: RIVA TNT-2 HARDISK: 10 GB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE MODEM 56K In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today... Do you think I can insta

Re: Very old hardware...

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Isn't OP's system l

Re: Very old hardware...

On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: > > I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or > maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDe

Re: Very old hardware...

On Saturday, 4 July 2020 15:04:22 -04 Davide Lombardo wrote: > On Friday, 3 July 2020 22:57:06 CEST Charles Curley wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > > > > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; >

Re: Very old hardware...

Hello, On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 07:11:31PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > 128 and 256MB on the Geode - 12 years in service > buster with sysvinit, postfix, openvpn and shorewall I have a Soekris net4801 which is an AMD Geode 266MHz with 128M RAM, put to similar use. I'm going to retire it this month but

Re: Very old hardware...

Dan Ritter wrote: > I can point to several VMs that are running useful things on > buster in just over 256MB of RAM -- 384 would provide a fair > amount of headroom. > > nginx and mail and DNS and NTP and so forth, all at once. > > I note that EBay has lots of used 256 and 512MB DDR RAM availabl

Re: Very old hardware...

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:47:19PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > > > Buster

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > Buster runs fine without systemd. But probably not in 64 MB.

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. Buster runs fine without systemd. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon 06 Jul 2020 at 07:45:33 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:34:25PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > > On 7/3/20 8:17 PM, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > > DRAM: 64 MB

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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:19:35 +0200 "0...@caiway.net" <0...@caiway.net> wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > > HARDISK:

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On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:34:25PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 7/3/20 8:17 PM, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > I'm not sure what is minimum RAM requirement for Debian Linux

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Hi, David Wright wrote: > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew some which issued 10 Watts already by noise power and could heat a small sized office room in winte

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. The loaned Optiplex only holds one—after that, I'm down to an old PATA caddy. 3) There's no WEEE here, so I'm not sure exactly how on

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On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 05:15:58 (+), Long Wind wrote: > On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 12:59:02 PM GMT+8, David Wright > wrote: > > Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk > > when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. > > The loaned Opt

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On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 12:06:12 (+0200), deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > >

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My DOS/Linux dual-boot at home was constructed from spare parts, including a cast-off Dell motherboard from work that is old enough to support two physical floppy drives (it has a 360k and a 1.44M). It runs IBM PC-DOS 2000 (lightning fast), with DOSSHELL, WordPerfect 5.1, Quattro, and Xerox Ve

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On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:06 +0200, deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > > > > I

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David Wright wrote: > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > > I would expect a 700MHz Pentium III to run a 686 kernel. > My 650M

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On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 16:33 +1000, Keith bainbridge wrote: > On 4/7/20 12:08 pm, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jude DaShiell > > wrote: > > > > Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well.  > > I don't > > r

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On 5/7/20 1:50 am, Davide Lombardo wrote: Maybe I can just setup this PC as a Tor's Relay Again, the Pi would likely be better -- Keith Bainbridge keithr...@gmail.com 0447 667468

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