On Sat, 6 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
Zenaan Harkness writes:
On 8/28/14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
you shouldn't express your opinion!
Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and
over and over and over again ad nauseam and beyond.
Martin Read writes:
> On 31/08/14 14:21, lee wrote:
>> It doesn't even have decent documentation
>
> Opinions appear to vary on this matter; ISTR that when the TC were
> called upon to decide on the default init system for jessie, Russ
> Allbery experimented with all three of the proposed replace
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> On 8/28/14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
>>> you shouldn't express your opinion!
>>
>> Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and
>> over and over and over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all
>> know your
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:09:44 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
> > Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> > > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
> > > about systemd. The OP in pa
On 8/29/14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> People might find it instructive to read Mark Shuttleworth's offering -
> particularly the title: "Losing graciously".
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
A good read (been a while since I first read that),
thanks for the link.
Although, as might be gu
On 8/28/14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
>> you shouldn't express your opinion!
>
> Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and
> over and over and over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all
> know your opinion. Please give it a rest.
On 31/08/14 14:21, lee wrote:
It doesn't even have decent documentation
Opinions appear to vary on this matter; ISTR that when the TC were
called upon to decide on the default init system for jessie, Russ
Allbery experimented with all three of the proposed replacements and
found systemd to b
Slavko writes:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:15:21 +0200 lee napísal:
>
>> AW writes:
>>
>> > I'm on the FOSS side. However, systemd is much better than
>> > sysvinit.
>>
>> In which way is systemd better than sysvinit?
>
> I am no a systemd fan and i don't like (want nor use) it. But
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:12:37 -0400 Steve Litt sent:
> The ssh daemon is a perfect example, and
> so is httpd. The Dovecot daemon. Networkmanager or wicd. In my
> opinion, there's no reason to have these managed by the init system:
> Daemontools is the ideal place to manage stuff like this.
That's
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 08:49:41 +0200
Slavko wrote:
> I hope, that in near future there will be developed something, what
> can enable new kernel properties, but in more modular system
> (cgmanager as the first step), where one thing can simple work
> without other. I hope, that the freedesktop wil
On Fri 29 Aug 2014 at 19:19:47 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 21:25:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> >> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
> >
> > I'll have to stop doing it then. Someone might explain to you what
> > has been explained many times before;
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:15:21 +0200 lee napísal:
> AW writes:
>
> > I'm on the FOSS side. However, systemd is much better than
> > sysvinit.
>
> In which way is systemd better than sysvinit?
I am no a systemd fan and i don't like (want nor use) it. But i need to
tell, that my understa
(Sorry about the wild post. Googlemail's webmail has its useful stuff,
but the clunkiness sure let's you hit buttons you weren't aiming at.)
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, AW wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > "think system"
>
> Off topic... on topic... and u
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, AW wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > "think system"
>
> Off topic... on topic... and unthinking...
>
> systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever.
> For
> me... and leaving behind this useless ma
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On 08/28/2014 at 05:22 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 21:25:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
>> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
>
> I'll have to stop doing it then. Someone might explain to you what
> has been explained
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400
AW wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > "think system"
>
> Off topic... on topic... and unthinking...
>
> systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment.
> Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400
AW wrote:
> Off topic... on topic... and unthinking...
>
> systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment.
> Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too
> much spam.
>
> Take it as you like. However, I'm out. I n
AW writes:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
> > it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
>
> $man systemd
That man page sucks.
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AW writes:
> I'm on the FOSS side. However, systemd is much better than sysvinit.
In which way is systemd better than sysvinit?
Is it more modular than sysvinit? Does it require less memory? These
are some points mentioned in one of the documents you're referring
to[1].
Is it easier to use?
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> Accept also that even those who disagree with systemd philosophically
> are still prepared to work within the system to produce the best Debian
> they can - working on things lke how to get all of the architectures
> and the BSD variant kernels to at least co-operat
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> "think system"
Off topic... on topic... and unthinking...
systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever. For
me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too much spam.
Take it as you like. However, I
(Sorry, Lisi. This goes beyond losing or winning gracefully.)
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:45:12 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > Are you a sockpuppet arguing ironically? If so, which side do you
> > support? Microsoft?
>
> I guess you're not interested in
People might find it instructive to read Mark Shuttleworth's offering -
particularly the title: "Losing graciously".
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
Lisi
On Friday 29 August 2014 00:09:44 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:45:12 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Are you a sockpuppet arguing ironically? If so, which side do you
> support? Microsoft?
I guess you're not interested in the previous post about ad-hominem...
and... Oh! You mean unix sockets... hahaha! that's funny.
I'm on the FOSS side.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
> > about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on
> > this subject.
> >
> > Since
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:35 AM, AW wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
> > it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
>
> $man systemd
>
>
> For compatibility with SysV, if systemd is called as init and a PID that is
> not
> 1, it will execute teli
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 21:25:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
I'll have to stop doing it then. Someone might explain to you what has
been explained many times before; I cannot be bothered.
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
$man systemd
For compatibility with SysV, if systemd is called as init and a PID that is not
1, it will execute telinit and pass all command line arguments unmodified. That
means ini
Le 28/08/2014 21:16, Brian a écrit :
> On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 20:37:41 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
>> Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
>>> B wrote:
>>>
>>> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
>>> > is fundamentalis
AW writes:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
>
> AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn systemd or try my hand at
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 20:37:41 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> > B wrote:
> >
> > > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminate
Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
>
> AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn syst
AW writes:
> apt-get source sysvinit
> is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it
> on whatever machine you wish...
That's no help if 3/4 of your applications plus key functions such as
dbus require systemd or worse yet have been absorbed into it and then
changed in inco
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:12:22 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Anyway... I suggest we all shake hands and make up ... systemd seems
> to be a ... how shall I say it? A somewhat -touching- experience.
Hear! Hear! Ignore the total ad-hominem.
And *hug*
And stop posting troll baiting nonsense about
On Thursday 28 August 2014 14:59:09 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/28/14, B wrote:
> > This is why I took the nsa example: there's no consultation, no care
> > about people, and who knows what will happen after this stuff will
> > be hegemonic??…
>
> My dictionary brings up demonic, and hegemon
On 8/28/14, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:46:28 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > In other words: we won't have this choice very long.
>
> Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only
> publicly
> available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source code... And,
> le
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
B wrote:
> As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn systemd or try my hand at
writing excellent sysvin
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:54:55 -0400
AW wrote:
> Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only
> publicly available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source
> code... And, let's not forget that the sysvinit source is massive and
> so does not stand any chance of fitt
On 28/08/14 14:32, AW wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200
B wrote:
> Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing
> (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;)
All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to
On 8/28/14, B wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:24 -0400
> AW wrote:
...
>> While there's nothing wrong with being a
>> non-conformist, in regards to most of the complaints regarding systemd
>> -- the argument does not appear to be about technical superiority, nor
>> performance, nor FOSS,
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:46:28 +0200
B wrote:
> In other words: we won't have this choice very long.
Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only publicly
available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source code... And, let's
not forget that the sysvinit source
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:32:51 -0400
AW wrote:
> apt-get source sysvinit
>
> is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it on
> whatever machine you wish...
This is precisely the stumbling block: from what I read/know, sysV will
only last until systemd is ready to invade al
On 8/28/14, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:27:09 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > this shift (schism?)
>
> It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as all
> major
> GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and integrating
> systemd.
> So, it's not so much a sch
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200
B wrote:
> Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing
> (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;)
All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to do
with anything other than -- I
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:24 -0400
AW wrote:
> It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as
> all major GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and
> integrating systemd. So, it's not so much a schism as a branch of
> non-conformists.
As a parallel, we could
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 07:26:30 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
> >>you shouldn't express your opinion!
> >Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and
> >over again ad nauseam and beyond. W
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:27:09 +0200
B wrote:
> this shift (schism?)
It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as all major
GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and integrating systemd.
So, it's not so much a schism as a branch of non-conformists. Whil
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:26:30 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> So let's see... Steve posts one message with a link in it, that at
> least several people find relevant, useful, and interesting - and
> immediately gets jumped on by umpteen people who complain about the
> initial message, which, in turn
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
you shouldn't express your opinion!
Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and
over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all know your opinion. Please give it
a rest.
Lisi
So let's see.
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
> you shouldn't express your opinion!
Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and
over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all know your opinion. Please give it
a rest.
Lisi
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Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on
this subject.
Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore
him?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
> about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on
> this subject.
>
> Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore
> him? At least
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:31:12 -0500
green wrote:
> B wrote at 2014-08-26 23:16 -0500:
> > I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one
> > thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers
> > (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in
> >
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:43:35 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> Encouraging the balkanization of the Internet into a collection of
> echo chambers seems ill-advised.
However, it is interesting from a socio/ethnology
point of view. (even if we end up taking our notes
under a *BSD OS;)
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:43:35 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 27/08/14 19:07, Brian wrote:
> > Please join him on the site where his article is published; there is a
> > comments section. Perhaps other like-minded people would like to
> > accompany you.
>
> Encouraging the balkanization of th
On 27/08/14 19:07, Brian wrote:
Please join him on the site where his article is published; there is a
comments section. Perhaps other like-minded people would like to
accompany you.
Encouraging the balkanization of the Internet into a collection of echo
chambers seems ill-advised.
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On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 17:13:26 +0200, B wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:19:02 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > However, it is considerably better at detecting errors than sysvinit.
>
> This isn't the thing that repels me; a better detection of potential
> problems is of course a good thing.
T
On 27/08/14 15:39, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about
> systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject.
>
> Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him? At
> least the threads will
On 27/08/14 07:09, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Choose your side on the Linux divide
>>
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide
>> From: Steve Litt
>>
Yeahrp, def'nitely tha end of Debian!
It really is a sad, sad day.
None of:
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
was in the slightest convincing ... barely even interesting.
Zennan
Thank you! Finally someone has bother to post a link to the whole
debate behind this. Apologies
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:19:02 +0100
Brian wrote:
> However, it is considerably better at detecting errors than sysvinit.
This isn't the thing that repels me; a better detection of potential
problems is of course a good thing.
But it is the other aspects of systemd where I join Paul Venezia ab
On 8/27/14, B wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400
> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>> To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful
>> and informative.
>
> You're not alone.
>
> I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one
> thing: I don't want
On 8/27/14, David Guntner wrote:
> On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400
>> Tom H wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt
>>> wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_n
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 06:16:39 +0200, B wrote:
> I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one
> thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers
> (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in
> emergency mode just for a bad line into /etc/f
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:31:12 -0500
green wrote:
> I am considering migrating to FreeBSD.
May be not, although Slackware doesn't dismiss this terrible idea,
it doesn't use it yet (and Gentoo too):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
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On 27/08/14 06:36, B wrote:
What I don't understand is Debian leaving the alternative behind,
this _doesn't_ sounds the Debian's way. But if it should be the
new way, it'll be without me.
There are certainly sincere efforts to enable Debian to continue to
support other arrangements for sys
The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about
systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject.
Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him? At
least the threads will then be short. PLEASE. If you like Debian, us
B wrote at 2014-08-26 23:16 -0500:
> I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one
> thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers
> (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in
> emergency mode just for a bad line into /etc/fstab (that ne
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:07:11 -0500
goli...@riseup.net wrote:
> As systemd continues to send its tentacles deeper into your system and
> applications, your computer will be pretty useless without it. Where
> the fleeing refugees go remains to be determined. Perhaps Debian will
> come to its se
On Tue, 8/26/14, B wrote:
Subject: Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 11:16 PM
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful
and
On 27/08/14 01:09 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
Choose your side on the Linux divide
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide
From: Steve Litt
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400
Message
On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
> Choose your side on the Linux divide
>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide
> From: Steve Litt
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400
> Message-id: <2014082
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful
> and informative.
You're not alone.
I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one
thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on serve
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 08/26/2014 05:21 PM, AW wrote:
>
>> Info on the think system...
>> http://members.shaw.ca/trishmau/thinksystem/musicman.htm
>>
>> Have fun.
>
> I am SO stealing that! Ric
Ah, the irony.
Follow up, if anyone dares, on off-topic, not on user.
Brian wrote:
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 19:08:32 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote:
/snip/
The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous
anyway, IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really
hate it, and it rages on and on and on - and ultimat
Brian wrote:
Really? What are "debian discussions"? The original post seemed devoid
of any such target; it was simply a link.
To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful
and informative.
Miles Fidelman
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On 08/26/2014 05:21 PM, AW wrote:
Info on the think system...
http://members.shaw.ca/trishmau/thinksystem/musicman.htm
Have fun.
I am SO stealing that! Ric
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On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 08:41:59 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote:
> >
> >> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage
> >> the content on a list that's supposed to be abou
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 08:18:04 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Guntner wrote:
> >
> > Yea, but you see (well, I suppose that the people like you who continue to
> > think this list is for anything you feel like posting about *don't* see it),
> > *this* list is for
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 19:08:32 -0400, Doug wrote:
>
> On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote:
>
> /snip/
> >
> >The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous
> >anyway, IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really
> >hate it, and it rages on and on and on - and ul
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote:
>
>> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage
>> the content on a list that's supposed to be about a particular
>> topic. The noise-to-signal ratio shouldn't be s
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Guntner wrote:
> On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400
>> Tom H wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt
>>> wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-l
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote:
> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage
> the content on a list that's supposed to be about a particular
> topic. The noise-to-signal ratio shouldn't be so high that
> killfiling is necessary. If we have to
On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote:
/snip/
The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous anyway,
IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really hate it, and
it rages on and on and on - and ultimately won't make ONE bit of
difference. This is a USER list -
On 08/26/2014 04:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400
Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list for this BS.
On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400
Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list for this BS.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:52:45 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hey Tom H,
>
> When I start posting about my cat, or my car, or who I'll vote for for
> governor, you can give me that "OT list" BS. But how your Linux
> operating system is started, and whether it becomes more modular or more
> entang
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
>
> There's a OT list for this BS.
Hey Tom H,
When I start posti
On 26/08/14 09:06, Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list for this BS.
If you replace you "BS" by "thing", "comment", whatever,
Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list for this BS.
Some of us don't think it's OT. Steve - thanks for the link.
Miles Fidelman
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list for this BS.
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400
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Hi all,
Perhaps the horse I was b
Hi all,
Perhaps the horse I was beating wasn't as dead as I thought. Check out
this article by Infoworld's Paul Venezia:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
Paul Venezia said everything I wanted to say, and said it
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