On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:19:02 +0100 Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> However, it is considerably better at detecting errors than sysvinit. This isn't the thing that repels me; a better detection of potential problems is of course a good thing. But it is the other aspects of systemd where I join Paul Venezia about the philosophy behind O-S softwares and behind *nices. Instead of a constellation of small pieces easily maintainable , systemd is a real gas plant trying to put almost everything under its control. The devs attitude is also a real concern: "we do whatever we want, we don't accept any contradiction, we're the truth, nothing but the truth, the only and whole truth; so if you're not pleased with that, just fuck off". Strangely, these times, it always come from the same place (no offense to our German Linux users, just an observation); we've already seen that in gnome. As P.V. wrote (more or less;), the idea seems ok, but the realization is terrible. There a non-negligible chance that systemd could fall down at the end, but it might take a long time (time while it'll screw us up every day) because people that pretend to rewrite *unices for the good of others often finish stumbling and failing. … > Upstart, sysvinit-core and openrc will definitely be with us for the > next three years or so. Here are the root of the problem, first (from the last answer of Simon McVittie about my bug that you referenced), systemd is spreading its tentacules so far away and so deeply that in a few time it will not be possible to escape from it; second, from first point and what I read between the lines it will sooner or later be hegemonic, leaving no way-out. Both points are UNACCEPTABLE from the O-S freedom and diversity points of view. Imagine a car manufacturer that would constraint you to exchange your contact key with a start button tomorrow; may be it is progress, may be not: the logic behind the button could eg: record timestamp and GPS coords for "further investigation", but most probability is that your car would fail start and you wouldn't know why unless reading a 2,000 pages manual and discover (page 1,999) that it is because your trunk's open (problem: today you planned to haul long wood beams home). SysV is a Lego, even if it has its drawbacks, but only serve one purpose, systemd pretends to feed you, teach you to read and write, wipe your ass, but above all make you shut the hell up… Not my way of life. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140827171326.0f2709c4@msi.defcon1
