Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:21, ScruLoose wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 04:51, csj wrote: > > > > > > > > I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. > > > > Cultural differences I guess. In most other countries, only war, > > > > crime and drug lords are allowed to own guns. It keeps the world > > > > a much simpler place, rather than having potentially 200M average > > > > Joes and Janes with the potential to do you in. > > > > > > And that, in a nutshell, is the difference between the US and all(?) > > > the rest of the world. > > > > The reason the 2nd is there is so that King xyz or our own goverment will > > never take our freedom. With a few exceptions the rest of the world is not > > "free" and that is the =*Difference*=. > > Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. > People have been getting "disappeared" lately in The States. Somebody > whispers "terrorist" and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a > completely secret tribunal, family and friends don't even know what > you're _charged_ with... > But of course, nobody's gonna take your freedom, nossir! 'Cause you've > got a gun, and it at least makes you _feel_ powerful and safe. "disappeared"? Do you have any evidence of this? A URL from a semi-respectable organization will do. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA An ad run by the NEA (the US's biggest public school TEACHERS UNION) in the Spring and Summer of 2003 asks a teenager if he can find sodium and *chloride* in the periodic table of the elements. And they wonder why people think public schools suck... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LILO help please
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:41:55 -0500, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I tried to search for the answer in the list archive, but I was unable > to find it :( ..sounds weird, try news if you used the mail list and vice versa. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:52, Tom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:51:41PM +0800, csj wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:32:22 -0600, > > > > Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > [1] For those (particularly non-US citizens) who don't > > > > > know, back in the mid-1990s, 2 white teenagers from a > > > > > affluent family walked into their High School armed with > > > > > rifles and pistols. They proceed- ed to blow away those > > > > > they didn't like, whatever the reason. > > > > > > > > I have heard a lot about some movie about guns in US called > > > > Bowling For Columbine. I haven't see it yet, but friend have > > > > told it's very good. Now I know where the name came from. > > > > > > You might be interested in the other side. I have owned guns > > > since I was 13 now 69. Havent shot anyone yet and no plans to > > > do so. 1 of 250e6 > > > > I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. > > Cultural differences I guess. In most other countries, only war, > > crime and drug lords are allowed to own guns. It keeps the world > > a much simpler place, rather than having potentially 200M average > > Joes and Janes with the potential to do you in. > > The original purpose of the 2nd ammendment was something like: > "If you think the politicians you've got are assholes now just see what > they'd be like if the populace couldn't shoot them if they acted up." > I see.I just *knew* there was some reason why Kennedy (plural?), Reagan, Wallace, Martin Luther King and a few others got shot.It was the constitution working as intended.;) Too bad for John Lennon that someone mistook him for a politician, though. cr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tulip
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:37:04 -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > paul valley wrote: > > Hi all: > > > > I will be leaving M$ :-[ behind soon and installing debian :-) :-) > > :-) however theres a problem i need to address on two fronts First > > i have fjound that i have a linksys pci nic which means i have the > > tulip driver :-( A how can i install this with minimal fuss because > > the second half is that i am learning disabled thus install software > > and driver can sometimes be tricky =-O for example it took me all > > of a week to install a scanner driver any help and tip would be > > great > > > > Paul > > > > ..first try ' ifconfig ;lsmod ;modprobe tulip ;lsmod ; ifconfig ', if these works, do as Kent says for the permanent fix. ..if they don't work, open another cli and do ' tail -f /var/log/messages ' and go back to your original cli and try again, the log tail will tell the what-n-hows, if you don't understand it, post the output here, and we'll guide you fixing it. > > edit "/etc/modules" and add the single line: >tulip > > Reboot (not strictly necessary, but easy to do to accomplish what > needs to be done). > > Your nic is now working. (That's not to say that your networking is > working, but your nic is.) > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to Install new Font(s) with Defoma
Hi, How to install some new fonts with Defoma? I pick some fonts from windowz and wants it to be installed. I've put the new fonts under /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/fonts (I create folder 'fonts') and it seems I already can use the fonts for my dektop setting. Unfortunetly, I can't use it for my Mozilla browser. Is mozilla browser taking its fonts not from defoma? I've read a doco, it show me how to install fonts to X11, but when I execute command: 'xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/fonts' I got error: X Error of failed request: 86 Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath) Serial number of failed request: 8 Current serial number in output stream: 10 Could somebody guide me here? Thx, Phillip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use ssh tunnel to reach a machine on a private network?
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 01:30, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Oliver Elphick wrote: ... > > What I am trying to do is to use ssh tunnelling to go direct to one of > > the machines on the remote private network, because I need to be able to > > run X programs from that machine on my own display. ... > I do this all the time. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -L 10001:localhost:10001 ted.domain.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -L 10001:localhost:5901 rufus.domain.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you; that is what I needed. > Adjust port numbers and options as necessary. Are the port numbers just arbitrary selections? -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."Romans 5:1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:42:57PM -0800, Tom wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:21:55AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > > Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. > > People have been getting "disappeared" lately in The States. Somebody > > whispers "terrorist" and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a > > completely secret tribunal, family and friends don't even know what > > you're _charged_ with... > > That's a pretty distorted picture of reality. How about indefinite detention for _no_ charges: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/08/court_upholds_us_detention_power/ Secret trials in USA are not just my "distorted picture": http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1030/p01s02-usju.html "There are secret lists governing whether you can get on an airplane, secret surveillance of e-mail and the Internet, and new warrants allowing the government to search your home, your bank records and your medical files without your knowing it." http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/projects/liberty/story/7457444p-8400138c.html "The Patriot Act isn't just about terrorists anymore" http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Nov/11152003/commenta/commenta.asp And so on. > I was over in Amsterdam twice in 2002 and took a walk through some of > the large Muslim immigrant neighborhoods. Amerstdam is kind of a shady > city anyway, but I have to tell you, Europe is blatantly full of people > plotting criminal activity. Aside from having little or nothing to do with anything, this just stinks of racism. > Y'all need to clean up your own backyard. Even if I chose to put any faith in your "spidey-sense" about Muslim neighborhoods in Amsterdam, this leaves two obvious questions: 1) I'm in Canada. How exactly is Amsterdam my backyard? 2) If I point out a legitimate problem, it doesn't count unless I can prove there are no problems elsewhere? WTF? Cheers! -- ,-. > -ScruLoose- |Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into < > Please do not | your ~/.signature to help me spread! < > reply off-list. | < `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gagging - dual-boot - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:48:58 -0800 (PST), Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > "80% - 90%" of the extra charge will be for some flavor of windoze > > > > > > if people are buying 20-30 systems at a time with Win2K installs > > > at $200each (and upwards) ... than we just *gag* and build it for > > > um.. > > > - dual boot- windoze + linux + some minor tweeks > > > > ..bad ram-down-the-troat trap: How do you prove "it was Microsofts > > and not your fault?" Stay away from dual boots, send them down the > > street. > > havent had any problem with dual boots ... it's always worked for me, > boot one or the other ... ( never running both at the same time ) > - dual boots are good ... good way to get "extra charges" > tacked onto their (multiple) system costs ..you forget one important thing: Microsoft can _easily_ update their Wintendos to detect and destroy data on dual boots, and then blame you and Vikki. They too, have access to our sources. ..and, _their_ code on your dual boots is closed, and usually updated at Microsofts discretion, and their tradition _is_ using their assets to cover up their actions. "Your call." ;-) > and yes as you(arnt) say, its a major finger pointing of who is at > fault about why only certain data was lost .. and yes, one could go > digging thru source code to figure it out, if the $$$ were being paid > to do so- lots of bugs to go fix and lots of enhancements to go > fulfill.. > - pick the battles and wars you wanna track down > > > ..as the penguin pioneer around, her only competition is Microsoft, > > and building that base is workable. ;-) > > yup.. just have to get out there and throw down your door matt > and see who comes knocking w/ check in hand > and have a clear markings for where the door is, where > they know what you will do for $$xx or time and what is out of > the ball park and always have a referral of who can do that > other stuff within their budget that you don't want to do > > ( solve their problem in all cases ... even if by someone else ) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:21:00 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:44, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:52:00 -0800, > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > The whole reason nobody likes America is we are all the people in > > > the world who told the rest of ya to fuck off, we're leaving :-) > > > > ..uhmmm, you lift off firing all those nice siloed nukes? > > Have a nice trip. ;-) > > Maybe I'm just too tired, but, "What?" ..well, you know how rock is removed from construction sites? ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:31:36AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: [a bunch of horseshit] The terrorists are trying to get into the US via Canada. The terrorists are often students living abroad in Germany. It would be racist if I said "every muslim in Europe is a terrorist". It is not racist to note that some muslim radicals live in Europe. Only a fool would assert that there are no Al Quaeda cells in Europe. So it is not unlikely that some of the people I saw in Europe are indeed terrorists, especially when THEY LOOK AND ARE OBVIOUSLY ACTING EXACTLY LIKE IT. Wake up. (But since you are from Canada and not Europe, this doesn't apply to you personally.) I think the racist thing was hitting below the belt. I'm highly offended and tempted to curse at you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Linux 2.6.0-test9 Running for 24 hours!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:29:45 -0800 (PST), Loren M Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Also, when I load the mouse driver after X has > started,(as it isn't auto-loading for some reason), the mouse jumps > around for a few seconds before I can use it. Also, now when I > restart into X using my Linux 2.4.22 kernel, the keyboard doesn't work > at all. I have to ssh in from another machine to kill X so I can > access the console where the keyboard works fine. I'm using XFree86 > 4.3.0 which I manually installed and re-running the install script > didn't seem to help. Now I seems to be forced to use the test kernel > if I want X windows. > > I'm using linux-2.6.0-test9 on a P4 2.4 w/ HT. ..setup X to use /dev/gpmdata, then get gpm working, preferably with both 2.4 and 2.6. Major updates, alsa is the default sound now, etc, I ran it for 5 minutes on a laptop I needed "working now". ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:02:43AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:21, ScruLoose wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > > The reason the 2nd is there is so that King xyz or our own goverment will > > > never take our freedom. With a few exceptions the rest of the world is not > > > "free" and that is the =*Difference*=. > > > > Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. > > People have been getting "disappeared" lately in The States. Somebody > > whispers "terrorist" and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a > > completely secret tribunal, family and friends don't even know what > > you're _charged_ with... > > But of course, nobody's gonna take your freedom, nossir! 'Cause you've > > got a gun, and it at least makes you _feel_ powerful and safe. > > "disappeared"? > > Do you have any evidence of this? A URL from a semi-respectable > organization will do. You'll probably already see these in another post somewhere in this huge, rambling OT-fest, but here goes... Indefinite detention for _no_ charges: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/08/court_upholds_us_detention_power/ Secret trials in USA: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1030/p01s02-usju.html "The Patriot Act isn't just about terrorists anymore" http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Nov/11152003/commenta/commenta.asp And there were a couple of more specific stories (Family of Muslim guy still wondering where he's gone, some months after the FBI took him away for charges relating to terrorism ... or maybe under the "material witness" catch) that I saw months ago, and I can't find references to... *shrug* Cheers! -- ,-. > -ScruLoose- |We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. < > Please do not | - Eric Hoffer< > reply off-list. | < `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Software Patents
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:05:01 -0500, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:57:32PM -0800, Loren M Lang wrote: > > > I'm preparing a pursuasive speech against software patents for my > > class and I'm looking for information on patents that have had the > > biggest impact to inhibit the use of software like the patent on the > > lzw compression used in gif or the patent on xoring an image on to a > > screen like apple was using on it's black and white macs for the > > mouse pointer. Any information would be appreciated. > > I don't normally do homework, but have you looked at the Eolas patent > on embedding in web pages? ..relax, unless Microsoft buys them, you'll see us join the weenies defeat them in court, nose clamps 'n all. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use ssh tunnel to reach a machine on a private network?
Oliver Elphick wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 01:30, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Oliver Elphick wrote: ... What I am trying to do is to use ssh tunnelling to go direct to one of the machines on the remote private network, because I need to be able to run X programs from that machine on my own display. ... I do this all the time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -L 10001:localhost:10001 ted.domain.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -L 10001:localhost:5901 rufus.domain.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you; that is what I needed. Adjust port numbers and options as necessary. Are the port numbers just arbitrary selections? Except for the last port on the destination machine--which needs to be the port your service is listening on (vnc or X), yes. In my case, to get a vnc desktop, I setup the tunnel and then run $ vncviewer localhost:10001 I choose 10001 because the machine I vnc into runs webmin (which is port 1). -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:52:47 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, > > "Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Alfredo Valles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 > > > Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- > > > [WAS:"Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday 15 November 2003 2:30 pm, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Alfredo Valles > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 11:23 pm, Tom wrote: > [snip] > > ..what stops Sissy Boy George from launching a "preventive" strike > > to prevent an indictment for war crimes > > Nuke The Netherlands? Better to nuke France, and have > the fall-out drift over The Hague. ..the Serb propaganda shills called this the kanguroo court, during the recent Balkan wars. With Slobodan Milosevic getting just 40 years, it appears they were right. > > and treason under US Law? > > Since you invoke US law, you need to know that a sitting President > can only be tried for treason by the US Congress. Maybe he could > nuke DC? ..maybe. ;-) ..and you forgot he is the Supreme Commander and can be tried in DC for war crimes, too. In Texas, he signed off how many? ;-) > Of course, if he were a lawyer, then he could be disbarred, like > the Arkansas Bar Association did to W's predecessor, while he was > still in office. > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/10/01/politics/main313109.shtml .._any_ War Commander can be "disbarred" for war crimes, treason and incompetence and even for being a sissy. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based working distribution
> > Since the current Debian sarge installation doesn't work (see > > "debian-boot" list) and I need an installation fast I'm looking for > > alternatives. > > Perhaps this won't work for you, but I did a minimal installation of > Woody and then did apt-get dist-upgrade (or somesuch) to bring it up > to -current. > I just want to remind you that locales is brocken in woody that it isn't possible to install it. This is a 2-years old bug (IMO critical) which never got solved even if I mentioned numerous times. O. Wyss -- See "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/"; for ideas how to design your app. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gagging - dual-boot - yup - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers
hi ya arnt On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > havent had any problem with dual boots ... it's always worked for me, > > boot one or the other ... ( never running both at the same time ) > > - dual boots are good ... good way to get "extra charges" > > tacked onto their (multiple) system costs > > ..you forget one important thing: Microsoft can _easily_ update > their Wintendos to detect and destroy data on dual boots, and > then blame you and Vikki. They too, have access to our sources. > > ..and, _their_ code on your dual boots is closed, and usually > updated at Microsofts discretion, and their tradition _is_ using > their assets to cover up their actions. "Your call." ;-) yeah but i make sure i can boot the machine off floppy or cdrom ... and i gladly and happily let ms do its magic.. and when they screw it up ... i boot off fd or cdrom, rerun lilo/grub and dual boot is back ... -- never go online w/o being able to boot into single user and boot off fd/cdrom and standalone system ...etc..etc.. and if they dont have root passwd, tis unlikely for them to screw up the box, other than an automated ms updates - if someone leave *linux on autoupdate ... that i'm a hands off ... "i didnt touch it" and whatever they did is what broke it - i watch where the finger goes before i sign the dotted lines and look for them checks and lots of checklist items too of what's oka and whats not acceptable .. c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:47:03PM -0800, Tom wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:31:36AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > [a bunch of horseshit] Hehe! Now, that's funny. I bring you references from your own country's press, reporting that your government is detaining people indefinitely, without charging them with a crime, and/or holding secret trials... and you find it so easy to sweep it aside as "a bunch of horseshit". So it doesn't _matter_ to you whether or not you live in a free country? *shrug* I guess we've all got our own priorities. > The terrorists are trying to get into the US via Canada. So what? Maybe some are. Do you have references to back this up? Are they succeeding? Of course, many of the terrorists are naturalized Americans who have been living there with valid paperwork for many years. > The terrorists are often students living abroad in Germany. Again, this may well be true, but I don't see the relevance. > It would be racist if I said "every muslim in Europe is a terrorist". > It is not racist to note that some muslim radicals live in Europe. > Only a fool would assert that there are no Al Quaeda cells in Europe. > So it is not unlikely that some of the people I saw in Europe are indeed > terrorists, especially when THEY LOOK AND ARE OBVIOUSLY ACTING EXACTLY > LIKE IT.^ >^^^ > Wake up. ^ So some people "look" like terrorists? Probably not white ones, though. I stand by my statement that your blithe conclusion sounded/looked/stunk like racism. You travelled through some neighborhoods (which you felt it relevant to point out were "Muslim" "immigrant" neighborhoods) in a foreign country where I have no reason to assume you understand the culture, the mores, the norms of behaviour out in the street. While there, you observed some people (Arabic-looking people, who your media has been carefully training you "look like terrorists" to begin with) acting in ways that you with your American standards found suspicious. Based on this and your "spidey-sense" you felt qualified to assert that they were "obviously plotting criminal activity"... The way you presented it came dangerously close to a case of: Muslim (immigrant) = seedy = criminal = terrorist Now, I sincerely hope you didn't mean it that way. I'm not saying that you are a racist. I _am_ saying that your commentary was poorly thought out and came across a lot like racism. Of course I'm not trying to deny that there are any Islamic radicals in Europe. That has flatly _nothing_ to do with any point I've made or implied. > I think the racist thing was hitting below the belt. I'm highly > offended and tempted to curse at you. Technically, you started off your post by cursing at me. :-) FWIW, I was addressing only your statement itself. No name-calling was intended. I'd rather avoid the cursing thing (though I obviously can't really _stop_ you if you're so inclined). However radically we may disagree, I hold out hope for some semblance of civil discourse. -- ,-. > -ScruLoose- | I was just a boy then, now I'm only a man. < > Please do not | - Pink Floyd < > reply off-list. | < `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive
On Saturday 15 November 2003 22:33, Erik Steffl wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a > > SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both > > installation methods hang at the same point: > > > > "Loading kernel modules > > > > Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'" > > > > I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA > > drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do > > I create an installation CD with a different kernel? > > you need a fairly new kernel for SATA, 2.4.21 iwth ac4 patches, I > think. If you have a large SATA drive (>130GB) you also need libata5 > patches from Jeff Garzik. I have 2.4.21-ac and manually applied libata5 > patch (and 250 GB Matrox on intel D865PERL motherboard) > > Some of the newer kernels might work without ac or Jeff's patches, > hard to tell. Check the linux kernel mailing list archives (search for > SATA) > I'm using a fresh from kernel.org 2.4.22 without any patches for my 80 gig sata drive. -- http://www.de-brauwer.be -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: k3b 1.0 ?
On November 14, 2003 04:39 pm, Joan Tur wrote: > Hallo! > > I'd like to try the DVD burning capability of version 1.0 of k3b... > do you know when is it going to be in SID ? 8-? > > Thanks ;) > - -- > Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain If you do not mind non Debian packages then you can get it with this line in your sources list. ## K3b sources for sarge requires KDE > 3.1.2 from SID deb http://www.planet-moll.de/debian sarge main Stephen Cormier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:42:13AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: [more horseshit] I figured you'd say something like that. How do you think Mohammad Attah looked/acted before 911? How do you think the guys who showed up to get flying lessons but didn't want to looked/acted? Don't you think that people who got suspcious were accused of being racists before 911? I see a bunch of young guys hanging out in mosques getting all fired up about how evil Jews are. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with behavior. I think you are not a very nice person. You are *really* hurting my feelings. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for enterprise
On Sunday 16 November 2003 00:24, Jesse Meyer wrote: > Debian-stable (the branch you want to be using for servers) tends to > be several months to a year behind the bleeding edge. This bothers > some people. For a server, I'd rather go with a tested solution then > the bleeding edge, but others differ. It's obviously a Good Thing[tm] to be as stable as possible on a server. However, what I don't get, is when you have packages like Snort, so outdated that you should not use them, see DSA-297, why are they still kept back. That's a real problem, IMHO. I really can't see that there is any advantage to not upgrade these packages in the distro itself, for example at point releases. Obviously, you could argue that updating a package would break some admin's system, but really, an admin who does use stable's package needs a wake-up-call anyway. The same thing goes for e.g. Spamassassin, chkrookit, nessus, and I guess a few more. The funny thing is that many of these are security related; I mean, what a perfect way to trojan a bunch of newbie's machines: The newbie hears on debian-user that he must update some of these packages: So, there is a malicious cracker who put a site up with "official updates", which the newbie finds on Google (or apt-get.org, perhaps), ads it to his sources.list. Instantly, he gets a version of Snort that ignores attacks and chkrootkit with a rootkit... Also, since the newbie probably hasn't met anyone for a keysigning party, signatures won't mean anything to him. Elegant, huh? So, what level of experience would be required to discover such an attack? I'm not sure I would discover it myself, but then, I _am_ pretty much a newbie myself. :-) Cheers, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicer fonts in gnome than in KDE?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I noticed since a couple of releases that the fonts used in gnome are much more readable (to me) than the ones installed by default with kde. Any idea, why that is? Can I use the gnome fonts with kde? Cheers, Mariano - -- Get public key from http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE4AC1483 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t1QwSraqt+SsFIMRAgjVAJ9sRsTNtQPc744jCAZG9Wexn2CniACggLaM w+2TM323PtINMe35WdavYL4= =WGyX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: k3b 1.0 ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Diumenge 16 Novembre 2003 09:56, en Stephen Cormier va escriure: > On November 14, 2003 04:39 pm, Joan Tur wrote: > > Hallo! > > > > I'd like to try the DVD burning capability of version 1.0 of k3b... > > do you know when is it going to be in SID ? 8-? > > > > Thanks ;) > > - -- > > Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain > > If you do not mind non Debian packages then you can get it with this > line in your sources list. > > ## K3b sources for sarge requires KDE > 3.1.2 from SID > deb http://www.planet-moll.de/debian sarge main Now downloading. Thanks ;) - -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo & AIM: quini2k www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t1Zgok8j9RhtetwRApspAJ9+8Rx5L/O8zV5LMfKc/lu9pS3UmwCeIJfM vH0/wB4cwVscRTF4gM8LJZA= =nF91 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to show a .debs configure command line?
Is there an easy way to show what configure options were used when a .deb binary was built, are build logs archived, eg? That is, easier than apt-get --download source and the parse debian/rules? Case at hand: the GRUB info doc refers to --enable-preset-menu=FILE, and I wonder if this option was set and if so, what value was used. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for enterprise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 November 2003 10:40, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > The funny thing is that many of these are security related; I mean, what > a perfect way to trojan a bunch of newbie's machines: The newbie hears > on debian-user that he must update some of these packages: So, there is > a malicious cracker who put a site up with "official updates", which > the newbie finds on Google (or apt-get.org, perhaps), ads it to his > sources.list. Instantly, he gets a version of Snort that ignores > attacks and chkrootkit with a rootkit... Also, since the newbie > probably hasn't met anyone for a keysigning party, signatures won't > mean anything to him. Elegant, huh? The newbie wouldn't pick it from the crackers site, because the newbie would just change his sources.list file to point at testing or unstable. I'm not a newbie (much), but even when I was, I don't think I ever used an outside source than Debian proper. I either went with stable, or updated to testing/unstable. It's just recently, that I bothered to add the kde backport sources. Debian is a system, which pretty much encourage you NOT to downloaded debian packages from website, but rather use the apt-get system. If a package is not in the repository, I just get the source from the originating website. - -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAj+3V2oACgkQkz0vhQtHHRikogCePz3SJT1XQvqaWpewbiaHxmBP ogIAoLltIonQpIdDnsAS+Bq3Y8b9s9IW =2VJU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gagging - dual-boot - yup - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:22:41 -0800 (PST), Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > hi ya arnt > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > havent had any problem with dual boots ... it's always worked for > > > me, boot one or the other ... ( never running both at the same > > > time ) > > > - dual boots are good ... good way to get "extra charges" > > > tacked onto their (multiple) system costs > > > > ..you forget one important thing: Microsoft can _easily_ update > > their Wintendos to detect and destroy data on dual boots, and > > then blame you and Vikki. They too, have access to our sources. > > > > ..and, _their_ code on your dual boots is closed, and usually > > updated at Microsofts discretion, and their tradition _is_ using > > their assets to cover up their actions. "Your call." ;-) > > yeah but i make sure i can boot the machine off floppy > or cdrom ... and i gladly and happily let ms do its magic.. > > and when they screw it up ... i boot off fd or cdrom, rerun lilo/grub > and dual boot is back ... > > -- never go online w/o being able to boot into single user >and boot off fd/cdrom and standalone system ...etc..etc.. > > and if they dont have root passwd, tis unlikely for them to > screw up the box, other than an automated ms updates > - if someone leave *linux on autoupdate ... > that i'm a hands off ... "i didnt touch it" > and whatever they did is what broke it > > - i watch where the finger goes before i sign > the dotted lines and look for them checks > and lots of checklist items too of what's oka > and whats not acceptable .. ..I'm not talking trivial bootloader code, I'm talking theft, abuse, and sabotage of "your clients business data". And it may be sneaked in, to help let them keep track of backed up data. ..be _creatively_ paranoid, if you wanna try stay ahead of this shit. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:22:54 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:42:13AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > [more horseshit] > > I figured you'd say something like that. > > How do you think Mohammad Attah looked/acted before 911? How do you > think the guys who showed up to get flying lessons but didn't want to > looked/acted? Don't you think that people who got suspcious were > accused of being racists before 911? ..the flight instructors got suspicious in a few of these cases, befause the al-Quaida pilots wasn't interested in learning about take-offs and landings. They had no need to, they just let the airline pilots take off, then they hijacked. ..ofcourse, the _next_ bunch will have to learn takeoff and landings, simply to avoid suspicion. And, they will look just like you, redneck. To avoid suspicion. Your call. ;-) > I see a bunch of young guys hanging out in mosques getting all fired > up about how evil Jews are. It has nothing to do with skin color and > everything to do with behavior. > > I think you are not a very nice person. You are *really* hurting my > feelings. ..and 60 years ago and on the other side of the pond, people as civilized as yourself, gassed them. Still no excuse for war crime. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for enterprise
On Sunday 16 November 2003 11:54, John L. Fjellstad wrote: > The newbie wouldn't pick it from the crackers site, because the > newbie would just change his sources.list file to point at testing or > unstable. Not if he wants to use stable. snort in unstable depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), so upgrading to snort in unstable means upgrading libc6 to unstable. Really, newbies do run servers (I do), and they know that server should be on stable (I do), but it is not easy to know what you should do to very outdated packages. And I mean, the core question is: What is the advantage of not updating packages, when the package is in question is so old you shouldn't use it? Best, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..ofcourse, the _next_ bunch will have to learn takeoff and landings, > simply to avoid suspicion. And, they will look just like you, redneck. > To avoid suspicion. Your call. ;-) Why is it socially acceptable to call me a redneck and cast me in a villainous light? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LILO help please
On Sunday 16 November 2003 01:41, stan wrote: > I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. > > I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful > replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( > > In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn restored all of the > files from an amanda backup. Now I need to make the disk bootable. > > As, I recall, this involves booting from the rescue disk, and running liol, > but I cannot remeber the corect options, and the man page is confusing me. > Boot from your rescue floppy Mount what you want to be the root in the working system mount /dev/hda1 /mnt [or something similar] chroot /mnt /sbin/lilo This assumes that your root isn't corrupt and still has a valid /etc/lilo.conf -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:21:12 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..ofcourse, the _next_ bunch will have to learn takeoff and > > landings, simply to avoid suspicion. And, they will look just like > > you, redneck. To avoid suspicion. Your call. ;-) > > Why is it socially acceptable to call me a redneck and cast me in a > villainous light? ..because you in your last few posts, earned it. Reread this thread when you get sober. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: k3b 1.0 ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Diumenge 16 Novembre 2003 09:56, en Stephen Cormier va escriure: > If you do not mind non Debian packages then you can get it with this > line in your sources list. Bad luck. K3bsetup command has dissappeared, I've tryed to create a data DVD and... it has only written the lead in and failed (IO error). I'll wait until it's a bit more mature. Thanks anyway ;) - -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo & AIM: quini2k www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t2PDok8j9RhtetwRAvtCAJ9d/mp0GKbQ811jlJCyBX5Xvq+1WACgkybv h+PAoFVQ4QYDKa9c0BRWIUc= =+q97 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs
on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:48:29AM -0500, Tom Allison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I was doing an installation using whatever disks I can find (stable, > tesitng-installer) and I ran into a problem of something that I recall > once long ago. > > I thought devfs was going to be mostly removed from the installations. > > This is based on a comment I received once long ago from a Debian > posting that devfs as a whole wasn't working out all that well and has > been removed from the 2.6 kernel. Same story I've heard. My experience with it is pretty gwadawful. > I'm not sure how much of this is true or how much matters right now. > > But it would be nice to know if I should disable devfs and move on, or > not. That's my suggestion. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Reform three-strikes: stop jailing nonviolent offenders. http://www.amend3strikes.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
script for creating multipage tiffs
Dear listmembers, my very first probably quite dirty and limited bash script hack is available at http://members.chello.at/hrdisk/tifscanjoin.tar It had kept me bugging that the programmers of the GUI scanning programs like quiteinsane or kooka did not have multipage tiff creation implemented yet, at least this was the case a number of months ago. Perhaps this has been done meanwhile but I always wanted to be able to scan and archive letters and other text documents regardless of their length fast and conveniently on my harddisk. I have had good experience with archiving stuff on a W2K machine through the Kodak imaging program with a fast Epson 1200S scsi scanner. The need for a GUI was secondary for me with standard letters (actually the GUI would slow down the process), so yesterday I started coding. Here are now two bare-bone scripts that in combination will scan pages black and white with a 150dpi resolution until you stop the input, then offering the possibility to join the files into one single multipage tif that can conveniently be viewed, e.g. with qfaxreader or ghfaxviewer. The scripts need to be customized for your scanner setup and a single directory ~/tmptiff has to be created. They depend on scanimage from sane-utils and the libtiff-tools package. # scanimage -L will give you all information needed about your setup. Later I intend to look into joining the scripts into one, adding user input for the place where and with which name to store the resulting multipage tiff, and perhaps adding input for scanning options, viewing pages immediately after scanning to see whether a scan needs to be deleted and repeated with another b/w threshold, resolution etc. I'd be happy to receive suggestions for improvement, or if someone wants to hack away on it, please feel free to do so. Regards, Andreas von Heydwolff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to show a .debs configure command line?
Hello Jan! On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Is there an easy way to show what configure options were used when a .deb binary was built, are build logs archived, eg? That is, easier than apt-get --download source and the parse debian/rules? Case at hand: the GRUB info doc refers to --enable-preset-menu=FILE, and I wonder if this option was set and if so, what value was used. Each package description page at debian.org links to the 'developer information for ' (down right side) which in turn, among other things, links to 'Buildd logs' (down left side at 'Other links'). There aren't all the logs there, but in your case I can derive this particular option wasn't set at all, see http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=grub Cheers, Flo pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie packages question
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:20:21AM -0800, Vanh Phom said > Hi All, > I'm trying to compile the new Kdevekop3 to be used as dev GUI. But I run > head on to the following problems. Here the output from configure: [snippage] > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/share/qt3/lib, headers > /usr/share/qt3/include using -mt > checking for moc... /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc > checking for uic... /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic > checking whether uic supports -L ... yes > checking whether uic supports -nounload ... yes > checking if Qt needs -ljpeg... no > checking for rpath... yes > checking for KDE... configure: error: > in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will > fail. > So, check this please and use another prefix! > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/kde3src/kdevelop$ Do you have kdelibs4-dev installed? This is the header files for KDE3, which I'm almost certain Kdevelop3 would require. This is NOT available from within woody (though no doubt the various kde3 backports include it). Also, make sure you have build-essential (which you seem to have the important bits of already). > When I try to install kde I got problem with ksysquardd dependency. It's > output: > ksysguardd: > Depends: libsensors-1debian1 but it is not installable > > Are there anyway to fix this? Oh, you are using Sid or Sarge. The solution is in the Debian BTS (http://bugs.debian.org/) which will point you at the Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.net) for this page: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day:Majic airframe unclassified Elvis Kosovo Majic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Debian woody or sarge?
I am looking to migrate a few Red Hat boxes to Debian in the next month or two and am currently wondering whether to install woody or sarge. I've seen posts that suggest sarge will become the stable distribution soon (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-20 0308/msg00010.html). Can anyone point me to an up to date estimation of the release date? Given Red Hat updates will end at the end of the year, I want to get up and running with Debian before that. If sarge doesn't become stable until next year, would it be better to install woody now and upgrade to sarge in a few months, or install sarge now? How long will woody remain supported with security updates? Thanks, Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based working distribution
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:07:41AM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > I just want to remind you that locales is brocken in woody that it isn't > possible to install it. This is a 2-years old bug (IMO critical) which > never got solved even if I mentioned numerous times. Eh? It works for me and AFAIK for everyone else. Please show a transcript, /etc/apt/sources.list, 'apt-cache show locales', 'apt-cache show libc6'. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia-glx Version: 1.0.4496-2.1
Dear Folks, Thank you very much for the prompt response. Unfortunately, I tried what was suggested but the X-server failed to fire up. Jerome R. Acks wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:19:33AM +0800, R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar wrote: You need to download nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.4496-2.1 and compile it. After you compile it, install it along with nvidia-glx 1.0.4496-2.1 and nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.4496-3. I have attached transcripts of: (1) nvidia_module_upgrade.txt: what I did; and (2) nvidia_kernel_source_install_transcript.txt: the output from the source compilation in case they can help pinpoint what is going wrong. The /var/log/XFree86.0.log file gave, among other (successful) output, the following: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" (II) UnloadModule: "vgahw" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found So, I had to "apt-get remove" the installed version 4496 packages and go back to the version 4191 packages that originally had, to restore my X-server. I will be sending a bug report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the X-server crash. (2) How can I prevent the newer versions from ever being installed, if (1) cannot be fixed? I have in /etc/apt/preferences the lines: Package: nvidia-* Pin: release v=1.0.4191-1 Pin-Priority: 1000 Not positive, but what about: Package: nvidia-* Pin: version 1.0.4191 Pin-Priority: 1001 Unfortunately, this did not work either. Perhaps it is complicated by the fact that I have multiple sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list file. See: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html Any help on either front most appreciated. --Chandra 16 Nov 03 -- Dr R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar Adjunct Senior Lecturer M018, Centre for Intelligent Information Processing Systems (CIIPS) School of Electrical, Electronic and Computer Engineering The University of Western Australia 35 Stirling Highway, Crawley, WA 6009, AUSTRALIA Phone: +61-(8)-9380-3749 Fax: +61-(8)-9380-1168 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider Code: 00126G -- # apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source # cd /usr/src # tar xzvf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz # uname -r 2.4.18-bf2.4 # apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 # export KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 # export KVERS=2.4.18-bf2.4 # cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel # debian/rules binary_modules # apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common # dpkg -i ../nvidia-kernel-2.4.18-bf2.4_1.0.4496-2_i386.deb # apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev # dpkg --list nvidia-* | grep ii ii nvidia-glx 1.0.4496-2.1 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ii nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.4496-2.1 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver development ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.4496-2 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.4.18 ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.4496-3 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.4496-2.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source --R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16 Nov 03 # debian/rules binary_modules if [ -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/control.template ]; then \ cp /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/control.template /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/control; \ fi dh_testdir dh_testroot touch configure-stamp dh_testdir dh_testroot You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with a compiler different from the one that was used to compile the running kernel. We are going to use the compiler that were used to build the kernel with the specified headers. (if specified in KSRC/include/linux/compile.h) Using compiler gcc touch /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/gcc-check IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 CC=gcc /usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv SYSINCLUDE=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4/include nvidia.o make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv' echo \#define NV_COMPILER \"`gcc -v 2>&1 | tail -n 1`\" > nv_compiler.h gcc -c -Wall -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wswitch -Wformat -Wchar-subscripts -Wparentheses -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wno-multichar -O -MD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -DNTRM -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DNV_MAJOR_VERSION=1 -DNV_MINOR_VERSION=0 -DNV_PATCHLEVEL=4496 -DNV_UNIX -DNV_LINUX -DNV_INT64_OK -DNVCPU_X86 -DREMAP_PAGE_RANGE_4 -I. -I/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4/include -Wno-cast-qual nv.c gcc -c -Wall -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wswitch -Wformat -Wchar-subscripts -Wparentheses -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wno-multichar -O -MD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -DNTRM -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DNV_MAJOR_VERSION=1 -DNV_MINOR_VERSION=0 -DNV_PATCHLEVEL=4496 -DNV_UNIX -DNV_LINUX -DNV_INT64_OK -DNVCPU_X86 -DREMAP_PAGE_RANGE_4 -I. -I/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4/include -Wno
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:23:26 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Norman Podhoretz said only ex-communists can talk intelligently about > anti-communism. > i'm trying to imagine a bunch of ex-capitalists down in cuba intelligentlly discussing anti-capitalism. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:47:03 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:31:36AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > [a bunch of horseshit] > > The terrorists are trying to get into the US via Canada. > The terrorists are often students living abroad in Germany. > > It would be racist if I said "every muslim in Europe is a terrorist". > > It is not racist to note that some muslim radicals live in Europe. > Only a fool would assert that there are no Al Quaeda cells in Europe. > So it is not unlikely that some of the people I saw in Europe are > indeed terrorists, especially when THEY LOOK AND ARE OBVIOUSLY ACTING > EXACTLY LIKE IT. > what? you mean they didn't say "have a nice day." bastards. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
splitting mbox files
Hi, Is there a program on debian that would let me split an mbox file into a series of single files each containing an email? I've looked and found mboxgrep but not sure if there is something else that would be better thanks Rus -- w: http://www.jvds.com | Dedicated FreeBSD,Debian and RedHat Servers e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Donations made to Debian, FreeBSD t: +44 7919 373537 | and Slackware t: 1-888-327-6330 | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:48:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:21:12 -0800, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..ofcourse, the _next_ bunch will have to learn takeoff and > > > landings, simply to avoid suspicion. And, they will look just like > > > you, redneck. To avoid suspicion. Your call. ;-) > > > > Why is it socially acceptable to call me a redneck and cast me in a > > villainous light? > > ..because you in your last few posts, earned it. > Reread this thread when you get sober. I'm dead solid sober. When you spend your whole life where the ONLY FUCKING GROUP OF HUMANS whom it is completely okay to hate is YOU, you tend to get a little sensitive. I'm American, I'm white, I'm a man, I'm Southern. Every time I turn on the TV I'm the bad guy. Anybody can talk shit about me with no negative consequences. I bear no ill will to any group of people (only individuals), and I get crucified. The last lesson to learn from Civil Rights is to forgive the children of the former assholes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: splitting mbox files
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:44:02 + (GMT) Rus Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > Is there a program on debian that would let me split an mbox file > into a > series of single files each containing an email? I've looked and found > mboxgrep but not sure if there is something else that would be better > pigeon posted this script just yesterday. - #!/bin/bash IFS=$'\n' i=0 BASENAME="split.mbox" while read x; do echo "$x" | grep '^From ' && i=$(( i + 1 )) echo "$x" >> $BASENAME.$i done - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia-glx Version: 1.0.4496-2.1
> You need to download nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.4496-2.1 and compile > it. After you compile it, install it along with nvidia-glx 1.0.4496-2.1 > and nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.4496-3. I have a description of how to do this at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html. -- To reply by email, change "deadspam.com" to "alumni.utexas.net" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody kernel upgrade
That's just what I needed, thanks. I have followed your instructions and the kernel has installed OK and booted OK. But I have lost the network. I ran modconf and added the network drivers. But I don't know how to reconfigure the network for DHCP? Please can some one enlighten me. Regards James Quoting Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > James Hosken wrote: > > I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 > > graphics card. > > I assume this means you are running a linux 2.2 kernel then? That is, > sounds like you had not previously customized your kernel? Just using > a 2.2 and now want to install 2.4? In that case you just need to > install a newer 2.4 kernel and it is really as simple as that. > > > Please can some one point me in the right direction of some > > instructions or send me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from > > debian.org. > > apt-get update > apt-get install kernel-image > > That will tell you the following. > > Package kernel-image is a virtual package provided by: > kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 2.4.18-5woody4 > kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 2.4.18-11 > kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k6 2.4.18-11 > kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686-smp 2.4.18-11 > kernel-image-2.4.18-1-586tsc 2.4.18-11 > ... many more kernels listed ... > > Pick the relevant kernel that you wish to install. This will probably > be either the bf24 (boot-floppies) kernel or a modular kernel. If you > have never upgraded your kernel previously then you are probably using > a very generic kernel and the bf24 might work best for you initially. > Or you can install a tuned, modular kernel such as one of those > compiled for your architecture. But in the latter case you will also > need to run 'modconf' to install any modules that your system needs. > The FAQ is that people's networking and audio stops working after an > upgrade to a modular kernel. These people need to run modconf to > install their networking and audio modules. > > apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 # very generic > apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 # modular, tuned for amd > apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 # modular, tuned for intel > > During the installation it will probably complain about lots of > unresolved symbols. This is scary but actually normal when changing > kernels. Wish that message were different. See the trace below and > my answers. > > [... lots of these Unresolved symbols from depmod ...] > There was a problem running depmod. This may be benign, > (You may have versioned symbol names, for instance). > Or this could be an error. > depmod exited with return value 1 > In any case, since depmod is run at install time, > we could just defer running depmod > Would you like to abort now? [Yes] no > [...] > Install a boot block using the existing /etc/elilo.conf? [Yes] > > > I'm using lilo, so what do I need to do to that after I have > > installed the new kernal? > > Installing the new kernel will automatically call lilo and as you saw > in the trace above it will ask you if it should run lilo. Say yes and > it will install the new kernel as the default boot. Go ahead and > reboot. Then if you have selected a modular kernel run modconf and > select your networking and audio drivers. 'lspci' and google may help > you find the right driver if you don't know it already. > > If things do go wrong you can always boot LinuxOLD and get back to > your existing kernel. To make this easier I recommend always setting > 'prompt' and 'timeout=100' in /etc/lilo.conf so that you always get > the red screen with the prompt. You can get to LinuxOLD otherwise too > but this is simpler. > > Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
System crash
Hi, I have a problem with Sid. When system boots up, the disk starts reading and/or writing after a few minutes. This happens during a quite long time (the led of the disk is on all this time). After this time, no system device responds. I can only push reset button and restart the system (after that, the problem does not happen any more, it appears only when I boot Sid the first time). Can anyone help me? Sorry for my English and thanks in advance. Regards Rafael Arco Arredondo -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBD+gHS4RBACEjc26tE0P3lHb1kAi1+NSEoMpNSNdLL2C+a8KH3KemDQ9mber YUuqU6XYYMFVe1/WBL+N3SeB7EeprDUkDVdXvoR814f74VvHguJktAVJAInCQhKD sbGA9O9g6xiwIYJ0wYnFZaqAn7yiXqLiBtYlbqfgLb4kSLpYZWZxYfAWmwCg7pyE kwSdiXpkMD5TM8Y+oVaTY1MD/21elptacIozJ2daxJgVAmR7wBaA472z0KRz/2T4 lYu8V3znMsyjoo36bzPE/E/KyOin/Ld/zTpbNhw/Nbg8HayWI77DfLUY9VXtvJju eyGKBQwopKv8XSbz2oFMUfY9Qat+jPoi4Zh07A9a/zfYzTpaB72nLP9nsNZdYh5b bqn9A/439482wzDKXFurEBp9Ze9eB/zhs29yk+wCFHqIgbzYH6Cx2dKXBSCGiG8Y ilfNSE4OvSMFL+YPQ8g1X9ZED0aQnE1kXZ0uIY0w0Y10Sn2tQ5foLwfo8z9prFoy pNMw8pV7os2JRg2i5eO47zR44DRe5E+WU+euNR/KTrFONQB1qLRmUmFmYWVsIEFy Y28gQXJyZWRvbmRvIChFVFMgSW5nZW5pZXLDrWEgSW5mb3Jtw6F0aWNhIC0gVW5p dmVyc2lkYWQgZGUgR3JhbmFkYSkgPHJhZmFyY29AdGVsZWZvbmljYS5uZXQ+iF4E ExECAB4FAj+gHS4CGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQBFhDi4GiLIPI wACg5t7DKKi+q/0oWKf39FJMCVcoi8QAoNjkT8FqtvSkrypyZKlwjVHXGm4ctD5S YWZhZWwgQXJjbyBBcnJlZG9uZG8gKEhpc3BhTGlOVVgpIDxyYWZhZWwuYXJjb0Bo aXNwYWxpbnV4LmVzPoheBBMRAgAeBQI/oRWLAhsDBgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4B AheAAAoJEARYQ4uBoiyDyvoAoIZ1+hq/0dJjTapTQEzJRSIlzD2BAKCx0PWm3bFZ 2BNiLmLTstEuR41rlrRiUmFmYWVsIEFyY28gQXJyZWRvbmRvIChFVFMgSW5nZW5p ZXLDrWEgSW5mb3Jtw6F0aWNhIC0gVW5pdmVyc2lkYWQgZGUgR3JhbmFkYSkgPHJh cmNvQGZlZHJvLnVnci5lcz6IXgQTEQIAHgUCP6EVtwIbAwYLCQgHAwIDFQIDAxYC AQIeAQIXgAAKCRAEWEOLgaIsg0O0AKCkq/5GWokxcOWlNcdVT606T+rnUQCfRHg9 azpkbEYWgboV0lQgED9CznW5AQ0EP6AdMhAEAJtYp8UD/MJOZSDBkBTSTqEIATXo 5XSMas7pJvaz6JozU+qh608Mb4oeuQAGyLsAQFf/9p7Y5hUg6tRxcW8AF3c7CHjM 8oQG6rIUv8RGrIepVTTDpeBDcPqXWqPwkIl+4XPZf6bNHG0KnGOuj59WPy5E9I0H 4CLYXOY7MzQtPMrDAAMFA/0aV8qUZ2GoGOQRRV1BvL+I0LRBOOwsKKfa972/ZA1u tP1dLUVKl5iJCcJIZEdjcGHe/nGwUMhZGgeOzf5VBzv+EJMfARPrqfknLK7LddQq 3CCYLEBWRwmgU0wCHRHA9YCIDCVDzfORvnliAzygmPqguLsxJv9MNexQomPyal3u VIhJBBgRAgAJBQI/oB0yAhsMAAoJEARYQ4uBoiyDRpIAn1rVcBTr35M8A2RSvt53 uEUxvZGdAKDXAzsz++WFO8xF0PTcKijKQkql3Q== =EWCw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente
Problems starting KDE, X
hi, I recently tried installling xlibs/experimental from opendoorsoftware.com It didnt work, particularly, the virtual teminals stopped working and just showed up flickering garbage. Then I tried to apt-get the old version of xlibs and all the kde stuff. (I had removed the opendoorsoftware and other experimental repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list) This was going smoothly until kdm had to restart, at which point, it give a message "Restart KDM? you can say no and restart later y/n" or something along those lines. At this point, I had the option of saying n (which appears not to work for some strange reason - I had to Ctrl-D the process because typing n had no effect. I tried apt-get various times) The other alternative was y, which meant that i was thrown back to an unusable virtual terminal as described above. I chose to stop kdm. Then my screen was unusable so i figured i could wait till hard disk stopped spinning and press Ctrl alt del to restart. Anyway now kde wont run I get this error message (from /var/log/XFree86.log) Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Undefined INputDevice 'configured MOuose' referenced by ServerLayout 'Default Layout' Has XF86Config-4 been overriden or something? I cant figure it out. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 06:33 GMT, Oliver Elphick penned: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 22:12, Monique Y. Herman wrote: ... >> So far so good. I poked through /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, and no >> one there claims to know anything about /usr/sbin/inetd, which is the >> app called by /etc/init.d/inetd. I'm 99% sure that it must have >> arrived as part of a package, so this seems kind of weird. Anyone >> have any familiarity with this? Should I just delete the related >> files and move on with life? > > /etc/init.d/inetd and /usr/sbin/inetd come from package netkit-inetd > Ah. Apparently I had only removed, not purged, that package, and those two files are considered configuration files. I guess I can see why something in /etc would be considered a configuration file, but an executable in /usr/bin?? Ah well. Thanks for the pointer. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
Folks, could you please take this off-topic thread somewhere else, perhaps to private e-mail? Let's get back to Debian. Thanks, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 06:52 GMT, Michael D Schleif penned: > ># dpkg -S /usr/sbin/inetd I remembered that one of the dpkg or apt tools would do this for me, but naturally went poking around in the wrong man pages. Mea culpa =/ -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:44:48 -0800, Tom Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:48:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:21:12 -0800, > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..ofcourse, the _next_ bunch will have to learn takeoff and > > > > landings, simply to avoid suspicion. And, they will look just > > > > like you, redneck. To avoid suspicion. Your call. ;-) > > > > > > Why is it socially acceptable to call me a redneck and cast me in > > > a villainous light? > > > > ..because you in your last few posts, earned it. > > Reread this thread when you get sober. > > I'm dead solid sober. When you spend your whole life where the ONLY > FUCKING GROUP OF HUMANS whom it is completely okay to hate is YOU, you > tend to get a little sensitive. > > I'm American, I'm white, I'm a man, I'm Southern. Every time I turn > on the TV I'm the bad guy. Anybody can talk shit about me with no > negative consequences. I bear no ill will to any group of people > (only individuals), and I get crucified. > > The last lesson to learn from Civil Rights is to forgive the children > of the former assholes. ...and prevent them from repeating their anchestors flawed acts. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LILO help please
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:02:10AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In gmane.linux.debian.user, you wrote: > > I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. > > > > I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful > > replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( > > > > In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn restored all of the > > files from an amanda backup. Now I need to make the disk bootable. > > > > As, I recall, this involves booting from the rescue disk, and running liol, > > but I cannot remeber the corect options, and the man page is confusing me. > > > > I tried to search for the answer in the list archive, but I was unable to > > find it :( > > > > So, could some kind solu help me, once more? > > You could boot with the rescue disk using the parameter root=/dev/hdax where > 'x' is the / partition. > So it will be something like 'linux root=/dev/hda3' or maybe it is 'rescue' > instead of 'linux'. > > Then check /etc/lilo.conf to be sure that the partition listed there is > correct for your current setup. I assume that you used the same partition > scheme, but best to make sure. Then run /sbin/lilo to write it to wherever > you have it set in the boot= line. I usually set mine to /dev/fd0 for the > first pass to be sure that it works before I write it to /dev/hda (mbr for > first drive) Thanks, that worked jsut perfect. All in all, except for trashing one working (but unimportant) system during the restore, this worked better than I expected. If you're curious how I trashed a suste, I mounted the new disk on /tmp/mnt. Unfortunately the disk I was restoring had a /tmp/mnt, and somehow (and I'm not certain how) the /tmp/mnt on the running disk got overwriten, from that point on the restore was writing to the running disk, that was ugly :-( -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI Radeon 9800 freezes after using X :1
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:49:26 -0500 TR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is the last version of Xfree in sid supporting ati radeon 9800? Last I > had checked it was not yet, so I have fireglx from the ati site > running, which of course has created a lot of conflicts everytime that > I run an update. Actually, it's rather easy to keep this problem-free with a little work by fiddling with the package alien builds from the ATI RPM. Of yourse, an equivs package providing libgl1 would also work. Here's what I did to the packages control file (note the Version field is also changed, but that's not necessary for an equivs package): Version: 4.2.0-3.2.8 Replaces: mesag3, xlibmesa3, xlibmesa3-gl Provides: libgl1, xlibmesa3-gl Conflicts: libgl1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.0) Killing half of the mesa library packages makes sure the libGL.so is left alone. The only thing bad about the RPM is that each and every file is marked executable and it's some work to change this. -- Got Backup? Jabber: Shadowdancer at jabber.fsinf.de pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Help getting wireless card working
Can some kind soul point me to some docs on getting my new wireeless card working under Debina? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System crash
Rafael Arco Arredondo wrote: Hi, I have a problem with Sid. When system boots up, the disk starts reading and/or writing after a few minutes. This happens during a quite long time (the led of the disk is on all this time). After this time, no system device responds. I can only push reset button and restart the system (after that, the problem does not happen any more, it appears only when I boot Sid the first time). Can anyone help me? Sorry for my English and thanks in advance. Regards Rafael Arco Arredondo Can you boot off an installer CD or a Knoppix CD with something like: boot: linux root=/dev/hda1 -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 06:49 GMT, ScruLoose penned: > > I need to start keeping a list of little tweaks I'm making all over > the system, so I'll be able to roll them out on later installs... > I keep various config files in cvs. Makes it really easy to sync up accounts on multiple systems. Of course, there are caveats; in particular, setting the hostname and similar in mutt could be a problem. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maple9 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL
Original Message Subject: Re: Maple9 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:37:18 +0200 From: Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: UOC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, I have installed Maple9 on my Debian since a few days now: everything is fine. Nevertheless, as Maple9 was unable to recognize my processor (a Mobile Pentium 4) properly, I had to link the proper ATLAS library by hand. Thanks, Jerome Kenneth Jacker wrote: > Jerome: > > jb> I am installing Maple 9 on my Debian box (testing/unstable > jb> kernel 2.4.22): I have just noticed that the maple script > jb> (maple9/bin/maple) set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL for red-hat boxes ... > > jb> As maplesoft does not support the Debian distribution (this is > jb> really a shame) and as I never heard about LD_ASSUME_KERNEL > jb> before: I wonder if a similar stuff must be added on a Debian box. > > I will be trying what you are: installing Maple9 on Debian. Too busy > now with the end of term work, but maybe over the Holidays? > > Please share any help/answers you might receive with me and/or the > 'debian-user' mailing list! > > Thanks, > -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is required to deliver system mail locally ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:13, Michael D Schleif wrote: > In this case, what is the Debian way to run an absolutely minimum MTA, > the smallest possible footprint, least likely setup to disrupt apt-get'd > applications, and as secure as possible. qmail. Well, it's not the Debian way (whatever that means), but it meets all your other criteria. - -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAj+3fnwACgkQkz0vhQtHHRindgCfVmCO1pXBnZvjmDvd5Am24hFx GjwAoM6CoRjXZ1Q0B/sBj4AKJ2tJbAu8 =MpaS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building XFree 4.3
Hi everyone I'm tring to build Xfree 4.3 on my debian system because I need a patch to the siliconmotion driver that has only been committed in 4.3.99. I'm trying two separate paths, and I'm stuck in either. First I'm trying to build a deb binary package from xfree86_4.3.0-0pre1v4 source package. After dpkg-source -x xfree86_4.3.0-0pre1v4.dsc cd xfree86_4.3.0 trying to extract sources with debian/rules source.make make: *** No rule to make target `source.make'. Stop. How do I extract the sources to apply the siliconmotion patch? As an alternative path i'm trying to build XFree86-4.3.99.15 from xfree.org sources but I'm stuck on the following error: gcc -m32 -o glxinfo -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -fno-strict-aliasing -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wundef -L../../exports/lib glxinfo.o -lGLU -lGL -lXext -lX11 -lpthread -lm -Wl,-rpath,/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/bin/ld: warning: libXxf86vm.so.1, needed by ../../exports/lib/libGL.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) ../../exports/lib/libGL.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' ../../exports/lib/libGL.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [glxinfo] Error 1 Isn't xfree86 4.3 supposed to work "out of the box" on a debian build system? Also is it really unaivoidable that every single time "make World" cleans everything and starts building from scratch? _ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building XFree 4.3
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:23:11PM +, . . wrote: > Hi everyone I'm tring to build Xfree 4.3 on my debian system because I need > a patch to the siliconmotion driver that has only been committed in 4.3.99. > > I'm trying two separate paths, and I'm stuck in either. If you send us a diff, we can include it in the next release. Why do you need this patch? > First I'm trying to build a deb binary package from xfree86_4.3.0-0pre1v4 > source package. > After > >dpkg-source -x xfree86_4.3.0-0pre1v4.dsc > >cd xfree86_4.3.0 > trying to extract sources with > >debian/rules source.make > make: *** No rule to make target `source.make'. Stop. > > How do I extract the sources to apply the siliconmotion patch? Try 'debian/rules setup', not source.make; this changed a couple of releases ago. > As an alternative path i'm trying to build XFree86-4.3.99.15 from > xfree.org sources but I'm stuck on the following error: > > gcc -m32 -o glxinfo -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -fno-strict-aliasing -ansi > -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wundef -L../../exports/lib > glxinfo.o -lGLU -lGL -lXext -lX11 -lpthread -lm -Wl,-rpath,/usr/X11R6/lib > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libXxf86vm.so.1, needed by > ../../exports/lib/libGL.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) > ../../exports/lib/libGL.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' > ../../exports/lib/libGL.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[4]: *** [glxinfo] Error 1 > > Isn't xfree86 4.3 supposed to work "out of the box" on a debian build > system? Yes, and it does ... but you're building 4.3.99.15, and you're not using our packages; you're really on your own here. > Also is it really unaivoidable that every single time "make World" cleans > everything and starts building from scratch? I think a straight 'make' will rebuild only what's needed, and that you only need make World the first time. -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian X Strike Force:http://people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: System crash
El dom, 16-11-2003 a las 14:33, Rafael Arco Arredondo escribió: > I can only push reset button and restart the > system (after that, the problem does not happen any more, it appears > only when I boot Sid the first time). El dom, 16-11-2003 a las 15:38, Kent West escribió: > Can you boot off an installer CD or a Knoppix CD with something like: >boot: linux root=/dev/hda1 > > -- > Kent I think I did not explain the problem very well. I meant to say that I power off the computer, and every time I turn it on, with 'power' button, nothing works after a few minutes. Rafael Arco Arredondo ETS Ingeniería Informática - Universidad de Granada -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBD+gHS4RBACEjc26tE0P3lHb1kAi1+NSEoMpNSNdLL2C+a8KH3KemDQ9mber YUuqU6XYYMFVe1/WBL+N3SeB7EeprDUkDVdXvoR814f74VvHguJktAVJAInCQhKD sbGA9O9g6xiwIYJ0wYnFZaqAn7yiXqLiBtYlbqfgLb4kSLpYZWZxYfAWmwCg7pyE kwSdiXpkMD5TM8Y+oVaTY1MD/21elptacIozJ2daxJgVAmR7wBaA472z0KRz/2T4 lYu8V3znMsyjoo36bzPE/E/KyOin/Ld/zTpbNhw/Nbg8HayWI77DfLUY9VXtvJju eyGKBQwopKv8XSbz2oFMUfY9Qat+jPoi4Zh07A9a/zfYzTpaB72nLP9nsNZdYh5b bqn9A/439482wzDKXFurEBp9Ze9eB/zhs29yk+wCFHqIgbzYH6Cx2dKXBSCGiG8Y ilfNSE4OvSMFL+YPQ8g1X9ZED0aQnE1kXZ0uIY0w0Y10Sn2tQ5foLwfo8z9prFoy pNMw8pV7os2JRg2i5eO47zR44DRe5E+WU+euNR/KTrFONQB1qLRmUmFmYWVsIEFy Y28gQXJyZWRvbmRvIChFVFMgSW5nZW5pZXLDrWEgSW5mb3Jtw6F0aWNhIC0gVW5p dmVyc2lkYWQgZGUgR3JhbmFkYSkgPHJhZmFyY29AdGVsZWZvbmljYS5uZXQ+iF4E ExECAB4FAj+gHS4CGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQBFhDi4GiLIPI wACg5t7DKKi+q/0oWKf39FJMCVcoi8QAoNjkT8FqtvSkrypyZKlwjVHXGm4ctD5S YWZhZWwgQXJjbyBBcnJlZG9uZG8gKEhpc3BhTGlOVVgpIDxyYWZhZWwuYXJjb0Bo aXNwYWxpbnV4LmVzPoheBBMRAgAeBQI/oRWLAhsDBgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4B AheAAAoJEARYQ4uBoiyDyvoAoIZ1+hq/0dJjTapTQEzJRSIlzD2BAKCx0PWm3bFZ 2BNiLmLTstEuR41rlrRiUmFmYWVsIEFyY28gQXJyZWRvbmRvIChFVFMgSW5nZW5p ZXLDrWEgSW5mb3Jtw6F0aWNhIC0gVW5pdmVyc2lkYWQgZGUgR3JhbmFkYSkgPHJh cmNvQGZlZHJvLnVnci5lcz6IXgQTEQIAHgUCP6EVtwIbAwYLCQgHAwIDFQIDAxYC AQIeAQIXgAAKCRAEWEOLgaIsg0O0AKCkq/5GWokxcOWlNcdVT606T+rnUQCfRHg9 azpkbEYWgboV0lQgED9CznW5AQ0EP6AdMhAEAJtYp8UD/MJOZSDBkBTSTqEIATXo 5XSMas7pJvaz6JozU+qh608Mb4oeuQAGyLsAQFf/9p7Y5hUg6tRxcW8AF3c7CHjM 8oQG6rIUv8RGrIepVTTDpeBDcPqXWqPwkIl+4XPZf6bNHG0KnGOuj59WPy5E9I0H 4CLYXOY7MzQtPMrDAAMFA/0aV8qUZ2GoGOQRRV1BvL+I0LRBOOwsKKfa972/ZA1u tP1dLUVKl5iJCcJIZEdjcGHe/nGwUMhZGgeOzf5VBzv+EJMfARPrqfknLK7LddQq 3CCYLEBWRwmgU0wCHRHA9YCIDCVDzfORvnliAzygmPqguLsxJv9MNexQomPyal3u VIhJBBgRAgAJBQI/oB0yAhsMAAoJEARYQ4uBoiyDRpIAn1rVcBTr35M8A2RSvt53 uEUxvZGdAKDXAzsz++WFO8xF0PTcKijKQkql3Q== =EWCw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recommend ILS server for gnomemeeting
I am hopeing to use gnomemeeting to contact my realtive in Australia (a computer illiterate!) Before I email him telling him what to do I neet to find a suitable ILS server. Every ILS server I have tried is not "family friendly", Does anyone know of an ILS server that is "Family friendly" ?! It would be a great help. Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems starting KDE, X
hi, I recently tried installling xlibs/experimental from opendoorsoftware.com It didnt work, particularly, the virtual teminals stopped working and just showed up flickering garbage. Then I tried to apt-get the old version of xlibs and all the kde stuff. (I had removed the opendoorsoftware and other experimental repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list) This was going smoothly until kdm had to restart, at which point, it give a message "Restart KDM? you can say no and restart later y/n" or something along those lines. At this point, I had the option of saying n (which appears not to work for some strange reason - I had to Ctrl-D the process because typing n had no effect. I tried apt-get various times) The other alternative was y, which meant that i was thrown back to an unusable virtual terminal as described above. I chose to stop kdm. Then my screen was unusable so i figured i could wait till hard disk stopped spinning and press Ctrl alt del to restart. Anyway now kde wont run I get this error message (from /var/log/XFree86.log) Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Undefined INputDevice 'configured MOuose' referenced by ServerLayout 'Default Layout' Has XF86Config-4 been overriden or something? I cant figure it out. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian woody or sarge?
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 07:04, Philip Ross wrote: > Given Red Hat updates will end at the end of the year, I want to get up and > running with Debian before that. If sarge doesn't become stable until next > year, would it be better to install woody now and upgrade to sarge in a few > months, or install sarge now? How long will woody remain supported with > security updates? http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan : Q: How long will security updates be provided? A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
network not working
hi i just installed unstable on a machine. everything seems fine other than the fact that i cant access http or ping any hosts other than my router. is this perhaps because i have a http proxy installed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LKM Trojan
It seems that I have been infected with the LKM trojan. Below is what I received from running chkrootkit. I was wondering is there is a way to find out how I was infected, and more importantly is there a quick and easy way to remove it. Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed gerard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-preferences: is this right?
Hi all! Reading man apt_preferences I can *almost* get it, but being a doubter... As a happy user of Backstreet Ruby, the multi-seat Linux solution, I want to avoid that when Debian testing gets X 4.3.0, that its version will be installed. (Unless Debian will have Backstreet Ruby as an option! What an idea...) Instead I want all X code to come from here: http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby and I have in my sources list: deb /http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ Now it works without an entry in apt preferences because testing isn't up to 4.3.0: the output of apt-cache policy: x-window-system: Installed: 4.3.0-0pre1v3 Candidate: 4.3.0-0pre1v3 Version Table: *** 4.3.0-0pre1v3 0 500 /http://www.schuldei.org ./ Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4.2.1-12.1 0 500 ftp://ftp.at.debian.org testing/main Packages But once Debian *does* get 4.3.0, would this entry in the preferences file be appropriate? Package: * Pin: origin "www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby" Pin-Priority: 999 Yes? Thanks! Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question about set UID (and cdrecord)
I've got an suid shell script and a suid binary: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l foo.sh sleep -rwsr-xr-x1 root root 21 2003-11-16 07:38 foo.sh -rwsr-xr-x1 root root12664 2003-11-16 07:38 sleep The script simply runs my local suid sleep binary. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat foo.sh #!/bin/sh ./sleep 3 Running as non-root I see: I was running cdrecord from a non-root account and saw: moseley 2324 1.0 0.1 2896 1192 pts/0S07:40 0:00 /bin/sh ./foo.sh root 2325 1.0 0.0 2508 556 pts/0S07:40 0:00 ./sleep 3 Which makes sense. I assume that the shell script isn't really run suid because /bin/sh is not suid. Does setting suid on a shell script (or a perl script) have any effect? If I change the shell script to "exec ./sleep", I still get sleep running as root: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat foo.sh #!/bin/sh exec ./sleep 3 And the ps output shows sleep is running as root. root 2555 1.0 0.0 2508 556 pts/0S07:54 0:00 ./sleep 3 Now, here's what prompted this questions. I was running cdrecord as a non-root user and I get: cdrecord.mmap: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord.mmap: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord.mmap: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/cdrecord: setuid Bourne shell script text executable [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /usr/bin/cdrecord #!/bin/sh VERS=`/sbin/kernelversion` case $VERS in 2.0|2.2) exec cdrecord.shm "$@" ;; 2.4|*) exec cdrecord.mmap "$@" ;; esac [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap -rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom 142 2003-11-08 16:33 /usr/bin/cdrecord -rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom 342924 2003-11-08 16:33 /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap Ok, so those are also suid root. (And yes, I'm also in the cdrom group). But when running cdrecord cdrecord.mmap does NOT run as root: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cdrecord -v dev=0,1,0 KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-14-EN.iso Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling [...] cdrecord.mmap: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord.mmap: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord.mmap: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 16 in real TAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 9 seconds. And cdrecord is running as my user id not as root, even though it's suid (like in the sleep example above). moseley 2591 1.0 0.6 5916 5916 pts/0SL 07:56 0:00 cdrecord.mmap -v dev=0,1,0 KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-14-EN.iso So why is cdrecord.mmap not running as root? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LKM Trojan
On Sunday 16 November 2003 16:41, Gerard Ceraso wrote: > Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command > Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed You just upgraded to unstable, eh? :-) I did the same thing a few weeks ago, and was as shocked as you. But I googled the archives first To understand more, I checked the bugs, and I think this may be it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=219730 (shouldn't this be more severe than wishlist, I mean, as the reporter says it almost gives people a heartattack...?) Cheers, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about set UID (and cdrecord)
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:02:48AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > Does setting suid on a shell script (or a perl script) have any effect? Set-id scripts in general don't work. Set-id perl scripts work if you have perl-suid installed, but beware; this is unsupported upstream and liable to go away. See perlsec(1) and perl58delta(1) (the latter on unstable, anyway; the text is in perldelta(1) on testing and missing on stable). It's better to write a small C program to do the job. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maybe I missed a thread
David Palmer. wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:01:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 07:09, Tom Allison wrote: I have been unsubscribed from 'debian-user' for a bit so I may have missed a thread on this one. But there has been a lot of discussion on other distro-lists about the potential implications concerning the recent announcements of RedHat/Fedora and SuSE/Novell. From the other lists, there's a lot of discussion about alternatives and with that Debian is mentioned A LOT. Does any of this have any real potential influence on Debian? How about an influx of "users" who depend on GUI for administration, and who aren't sick of RPM? I intend to agree here, especially with all the work being done at present on the installation aspect of Debian. This is going to make Debian much more 'accessible' to the general population than it has been in the past. I have been thinking even of proposing the formation of another one or two mailing lists (I considered 'networking' to have enough traffic to be classified as a separate topic), as Debian-User, as the general mailing list is possibly going to become deluged. Though we probably have some time before that potential occurs. Regards, David. So this is a "good thing". Makes sense. Now the big fear is a problem where everyone goes "retarded" with massive restrictions of functionality as exampled with SuSE in another post. But since we aren't run by a Stock Oriented Corporation we can all expect better things! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sociological question about Debian, GNU, and Linux
on Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:09:08AM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:36:50PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > > The recent discussions of Red Hat's change of policy got me thinking > > about the larger issue of what makes the Debian, GNU, and Linux > > communities work? Yes, I have read lots of opinions, but I wonder if > > anyone knows of some proper academic people studies, the sort of thing > > that might legitimately get published in a referred journal of > > sociology or anthropology? > > A couple of people have done studies of the Debian community, and I've > encountered two personally. Biella Coleman showed up at a Debian > conference or two and interviewed a number of people both there and > later with an eye to producing an anthropological study, and I believe > she was interested in the Apache community as well. Best I know, Biella's been on a leave of absense from her research for the past year or so. > Chip McCormick of Albany interviewed me and various others online, and > I believe was producing a sociological dissertation. There's also Siobhan O'Mahony's Stanford PhD dissertation: http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/omahony.pdf ...not exactly a page-turner, but there's some interesting stuff in there. Some of her follow-up articles have been more accessible. http://www.hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/pubitem.jhtml?id=3582&t=technology Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? WAIT TILL I GET GOING! Where was I? Australia. - Princess Bride pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: maybe I missed a thread
BruceG wrote: Maybe I'm missing the big point here. I often do. So RHL is no longer available, and support for RHL is going away.There is Project Fedora for home use (and it will probably fit in well with the small office/home office set). All existing training should still apply. The distribution is free. Not a bad deal at all. If a small business wants an enterprise solution, they can go to RHEL' Fedora hasn't been met with really great response yet. But it will be interesting to see what happens. It may come along very nicely. I also don't how Novell can hurt SuSE. I'm running SuSE 8.2 Personal on my desktop, and find it VERY constraining (if you want to use YaST2, you stick with SuSE packages and the SuSE package manager).My desktop works very well, but I find it kind of a*retentive. I don't see where Novell could make it even stricter. I am so glad to have someone else post this. You've summarized what I've been experiencing with SuSE 8.2 Professional for some time know, I just couldn't find the right expression. But I think you've done an excellent job here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dvd ripping tools
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:58:58 -0500, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:34:13AM +0200, Micha Feigin > wrote.. > [...] > I guess this is precisely the point. I need these 30-sec clips > to play out of the box (on Windoze) just like the trailers you > see at moviefone.com or any of the other movie sites. [...] I see a -lavcopts options for vcodec=msmpeg4 and vcodec=wmv(1|2). Won't that do the trick? You can alway try encoding them to mpeg1, which practically any non-specialized video player its name should play. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based working distribution
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:26:08 -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 09:24, Kent West wrote: > > Otto Wyss wrote: > > > So far I've tested Knoppix from the newspaper ct (has no > > > root access) > > > > sudo will give you root access in Knoppix > > You can grab a real root prompt with 'rootme'. In X the root access is buried somewhere in the menus. I'm sure there's a menu item for a "root" terminal somewhere. I think the console will give you instant root access (I don't have a Knoppix disk at hand.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sociological question about Debian, GNU, and Linux
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:09:08 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:36:50PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > > The recent discussions of Red Hat's change of policy got me thinking > > about the larger issue of what makes the Debian, GNU, and Linux > > communities work? Yes, I have read lots of opinions, but I wonder if > > anyone knows of some proper academic people studies, the sort of thing > > that might legitimately get published in a referred journal of sociology > > or anthropology? > > A couple of people have done studies of the Debian community, [Biella Coleman, Chip McCormick] Others include Ruben van Wendel de Joode (http://www.tbm.tudelft.nl/webstaf/rubenw/) who has several articles online and Gaby Rasters (http://home01.wxs.nl/~rasters/index.htm) whose PhD thesis is in its final stages of preparation. Also, the online journal First Monday (http://www.firstmonday.dk/) has published several papers in this area. HTH, Ray -- I've just been spammed by gardening-online.co.uk - now i'm wondering if Agent Orange is licensed for use against spammers? Tanuki the Raccoon-dog in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
making /dev entries
Hello! I accidentally deleted my /dev/dsp0 file. Is there any way, to remake that device? I have recompiled my kernel, and run /sbin/MAKEDEV, but no success. Thanks! Daniel -- LeVA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ppp slow on home build kernel
--- Martijn Brouwer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a laptop that has a 56k6 pcmcia modem and > runs debian testing. PPP does work, but when I use > an 2.4.22 kernel that I compiled myself, the > connection is very slow: only 1.5 kbyte/s for a > compressed file. If I use a standard 2.4.22 debian > kernel, I get 3.5 kbyte/s, which is still somewhat > slow. > > I compiled the following kernel options as modules: > CONFIG_PPP, CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC, CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE en > CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP. When I dial in with me new > kernel, the following modules are loaded: > > ppp_deflate 3544 0 (autoclean) > zlib_inflate 18564 0 (autoclean) > [ppp_deflate] > zlib_deflate 18648 0 (autoclean) > [ppp_deflate] > bsd_comp4376 0 (autoclean) > ppp_async 7744 1 (autoclean) > ppp_generic16484 3 (autoclean) > [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] > slhc5248 1 (autoclean) > [ppp_generic] > serial_cs 5300 0 (unused) > ds 7028 2 [serial_cs] > yenta_socket 10848 2 > pcmcia_core41280 0 [serial_cs ds > yenta_socket] > > If I use the standard debian kernel, zlib_inflate is > not loaded, but I do not think one extra module will > hurt. My ppp options file looks like this: > > asyncmap 0 > auth > crtscts > lock > hide-password > modem > debug > proxyarp > lcp-echo-interval 30 > lcp-echo-failure 4 > noipx > > An extra deflate 15,12 option makes no difference. > Here is finally my ppp log file: > > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: kernel does not > support PPP filtering > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje kernel: PPP BSD Compression > module registered > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje kernel: PPP Deflate > Compression module registered > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [CCP > ConfReq id=0x1v1 15>] > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP > ConfReq id=0x1 > ] > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP > ConfReq id=0x1 62.21.128.29>] > Nov 6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP > ConfAck id=0x1 62.21.128.29>] > Nov 6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [LCP > ProtRej id=0x1 80 fd 01 01 00 0f 1a 04 78 00 18 04 > 78 00 15 03 2f] > Nov 6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP > ConfNak id=0x1 213.218.75.90> ] > Nov 6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP > ConfReq id=0x2 62.21.161.65> 213.218.75.91>] > Nov 6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP > ConfAck id=0x2 62.21.161.65> 213.218.75.91>] > > >From line 4 I conclude that pppd does trie to > negotiate deflate compression, but in the aswers I > don't see anything about deflate. > When I remove the bsd_comp and/or zlib_inflate > modules the download speed is not affected, so the > are proably not used even though the are loaded. > I hope somebody can help me with this tough problem: > it took me already two evenings. > > Martijn Brouwer Did you ever get this fixed? I came across a similar issue upgrading to a customized 2.4.22 on a laptop with a PCMCIA modem. The problem was fixed by recompiling with CONFIG_ISA=y added back in - not quite sure why this worked, but it did; I only decided that this was the the most likely option by comparing a number of versions of the kernel I'd built... Hope this helps > > Physics is a approximate description of a part of > the physical phenomena, that are only a small > portion of human perceptions. > > H Casimir, Dutch Physicist > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = --- Simon Tod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LKM Trojan
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:10:00 +0100 Kjetil Kjernsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command > > Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed > > You just upgraded to unstable, eh? :-) It happens in testing too. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg error (repost)
Hi. I was in the process of purging a package when I accidently killed the process. Now, when I try 'apt-get --purge remove ftape-util' I get the error dpkg: error processing ftape-util (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: ftape-util E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) So, I try 'apt-get --reinstall install ftape-util', but get the error Preparing to replace ftape-util 1:1.09.2002.03.21-0.1 (using .../ftape-util_1%3a1.09.2002.03.21-0.3_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement ftape-util ... cat: alsa: No such file or directory dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... cat: alsa: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ftape-util_1%3a1.09.2002.03.21-0.3_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 1 cat: alsa: No such file or directory dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ftape-util_1%3a1.09.2002.03.21-0.3_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) How do I fix this?? Thanks. = --- Simon Tod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
finding directory of referensed file (through link)
I am running a script through a link (ln -s) and I want to find the directory of the actual file and not the link. In the script I want to cd into its directory. Using cd $(dirname $0) changes dir into the link's directory instead of the actual scripts directory. Is there a simple way to do this? -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Install Report from a Linux newbie - some comments
Hello, I tough of posting my Linux experience as a complete Linux & Unix newbie that chose Debian to start playing with linux. (out of laziness and pure ignorance - I wanted to do a net install instead of waiting for entire cds iso to download and had no clue that Debian was an "hard distro") First the installers: tried the new one and the old one. My first try: sarge & new installer The new one is real simple to use but it scared the hell out of me: after installing x the only thing my sceen could display was: "warning sync error will shut down in 5 sec" But, after rebooting, magic, tadam!, I was welcomed by KDM! still didn't figure out what happened. I managed to got everything net installed by configuring pppoeconf right at the very beginning (and played for the first time with apt, wget and lynx). After choosing a rather random selection containing gnome and KDE with taskel, I never managed to get my dsl connection to work again (yes I was loggin as root, rebooted etc...)!!! After intense googling with my powerbook (I was installing linux on an old Aptiva desktop) I found some bug report on debian mentionning a somehow similar problem with the new installer and needing hacking in many .conf files that seemed obsolete... And went through too many cryptic howtos. I almost quit linux at that point... I had enough! Untill I found an excellent document in French: "Formation Linux" (this NEEDS translation) http://www.via.ecp.fr/~alexis/formation-linux/. That was way more detailed on how to install Woody and get some real things done (Play cds, burn, configure and optimize X etc...) I still haven't found any document matching it in english. That is what is missing from Debian. An interest in producing documentation aimed at getting things done and not about knowing all the possible ways to configure everything. Also the too many "use your brain to solve your problems" answers to newbies post I ran accross surfing many newsgroups are inacceptable, if Debian is to become anything more than a geek toy. Anyway, I decided to give Linux (for me at that point Linux and Debian were synonyms) a second chance following carefully every steps from "Formation linux." Installing Woody the old way: Actually I found installing the old way was simpler because now I had proper documentation and new what I was doing. I managed to get everything (almost) to work the way I wanted. After a week of Woody I easily upgraded to Sid. (following again the clear instructions from "formation Linux") I can now use my usb wheel mouse, print to my usb printer, surf web, play movies, rip mp3, get e-mail, burn cds, process my tex documents with Kile, run open office, run Matlab (I own the full product copy - but now consider mooving to python numeric) etc... Life is good!!!. Sincere thanks to the Debian community. Problems I still have to solve: Get pon dsl-provider to work for users: (still have to login has root everytime) and continue it to work evenafter I unplugged the ethernet cable for more than 5 minutes... Networking: After too many tries with samba SWAT to communicate with my osX powerbook, I gave netatalk a try. I didn't work untill until I ran classic on top of X and access the good old chooser from the mac side. Still don't understand this trick. I have connected many samba macs osX and windows box lately without problems. Would like to get samba working! (Still haven't played with NFS) Again clear instruction on how to achieve this probably trivial thing are just lacking. What package to get?: >From a newbie perspective the debian choice can be overwhelming. I still didn't find a better way than apt-cache search to get packages that probably do what I want to do. I normaly guess what is appropriate but I would really appreciate a place where you can see: want to do this : this is the best tool. Finally I would just like to say that are truly enjoy the freedom Debian-linux now gives me: I somehow fell that I emerged from the MS matrix and now live in the free world. I think that if the Debian community put more efforts in documenting more with a DOTHIS than a HOWTO approach would help getting more people into Zion. That's it, thanks for reading __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: k3b 1.0 ?
On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:47, Joan Tur wrote: > Bad luck. K3bsetup command has dissappeared. Yes, and k3bsetup will not reappaer. Upstream removed it. But there is a new module in kde's control manager... Good luck Henning -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to start a user process on boot?
> > > I want to start a p2p program while booting. I tried to write a script=20 > > for /etc/init.d it works but only as root. > > I want the program starting as a user process (for security reasons). > >=20 > > How can root start automatically a process as a user? > > Beside using start-stop-daemon, su or sudo, you could just use cron. As > the user run "crontab -e" and use @reboot as time argument. > > > Yours sincerely, > Alexander I tried doing this with @reboot in all the time arguments and in just the minutes. When I reboot, neither way works. How exactly do I put @reboot in the crontab? Could you give me an example, please? Here is what I have currently: @reboot * * * *fahstart 'fahstart' is what I normally type to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] going. It's a little script in ~/bin. Thanks, Anita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for enterprise
Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 11:54, John L. Fjellstad wrote: The newbie wouldn't pick it from the crackers site, because the newbie would just change his sources.list file to point at testing or unstable. Not if he wants to use stable. snort in unstable depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), so upgrading to snort in unstable means upgrading libc6 to unstable. Really, newbies do run servers (I do), and they know that server should be on stable (I do), but it is not easy to know what you should do to very outdated packages. And I mean, the core question is: What is the advantage of not updating packages, when the package is in question is so old you shouldn't use it? Best, Kjetil Do 'apt-get source ' (which always gets you the latest source). Then 'cd - && dpkg-buildpackage' -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LKM Trojan
yup I am running unstable. I was going crazy over here. ~gerard On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:52, Richard Kimber wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:10:00 +0100 > Kjetil Kjernsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command > > > Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed > > > > You just upgraded to unstable, eh? :-) > > It happens in testing too. > -- > Richard Kimber > http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
- Original Message - From: "Arnt Karlsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 00:18 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, > "Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alfredo Valles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 > > Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- > > [WAS:"Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > > > > > > > On Saturday 15 November 2003 2:30 pm, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 11:23 pm, Tom wrote: > > > > > > compared to the taliban and the islamists, I cannot believe > > > > > > you are acusing *US* of advocating a theocracy. talk about > > > > > > head up the ass. > > > > > > > > > > But talibans and islamists don't spend billions of dollars a > > > > > year in weapons. > > > > > > > > No, they just fund terrorist groups that fly planes into occupied > > > > skyscrapers. > > > > > > I don't like talibans. But what I mean is that if you launch all the > > > planes on US against New York city it won't cause 10% of the > > > destruction of a single nuclear missile. (I'm sure that US have > > > more nuclear missiles than civil plains). > > > > > > > That just simply isnt true. There may be more than 100,000 civil > > aeroplanes in the US. I doubt there is 10% of that number of missels > > with Nucular tips. > > ..those 250 000 planes would need nuclear charges to match those > 8000 US nukes. They however easily match a single tactical nuke. > > > Whatever the number there are likely enough to destroy any country or > > series of conturys that start such an exchange. How many have been > > fired?=0 > > ..what stops Sissy Boy George from launching a "preventive" strike to > prevent an indictment for war crimes and treason under US Law? > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > Three things: His God. His Honor. His Rep with the american people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TRAMP doesn't work anymore
Hi list! After my recent upgrade to sid, TRAMP, the Emacs mode to access remote files and stuff like that, doesn't work anymore. I'm using emacs20. I've been using the version in stable earlier, I used to be a bit confused when I set it up, and I had to type my password, but other than that, it worked OK. Now, I see the methods have changed and way you type the filenames have changed, but that's OK, I like the new convention better. I've tried many different things, but I noted that when I tried to connect with scp, it asked me the "unknown key" question, weird, because it should know that machine in and out... :-) So, I tried scp2, and now it connects, I can see in the tramp buffer that it has connected, but trying to get something more out of it (like attempting tab-completion of a filename) makes emacs "hang". It doesn't seem to react to anything other than kill... No text, there's nothing there but the scrollbars, but neither the scrollbars nor drop-down-menus respond to mouse-clicks. The funny thing with this "hang" is that I had a customization buffer open, and if I hover with the mouse above the buttons in that buffer makes them light up. So there is some kind of life in there. Could it have something to do with my prompt? It's PS1='\[\033[1;[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w>\[\033[0m\] ' Any other ideas? Best, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian woody or sarge?
"Philip Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am looking to migrate a few Red Hat boxes to Debian in the next
> month or two and am currently wondering whether to install woody or
> sarge.
If you're new to Debian, I'd strongly suggest starting with the stable
distribution (so, in this case, woody); if you decide it's too stale
for you, you can augment it with backports or decide to upgrade to
testing or unstable later. If you decide that testing is too broken
for you right now, it's very hard to go back to stable.
> I've seen posts that suggest sarge will become the stable
> distribution soon
> (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-20
> 0308/msg00010.html). Can anyone point me to an up to date
> estimation of the release date?
There's a current thread on debian-devel discussing this. I don't
think I've seen an announcement yet naming a date for the sarge
freeze, so "several months out at the least" would be my statement.
> Given Red Hat updates will end at the end of the year, I want to get
> up and running with Debian before that. If sarge doesn't become
> stable until next year, would it be better to install woody now and
> upgrade to sarge in a few months, or install sarge now? How long
> will woody remain supported with security updates?
I think it's better to install woody now; upgrading should be pretty
straightforward, either before or after sarge releases. ("Install
woody and upgrade to sarge" is probably also the easiest way to wind
up with an installed sarge system, though there's a testing version of
the new Debian installer out.) Again, I don't have an official
statement on how long woody will be supported, but given the flak
people have taken before for trying to desupport things, it'll
hopefully be a while. :-) (I think potato was supported for six
months or so beyond the woody release, can't find the information
online right now.)
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Exim (Woody) smarthost using authenicated ssmtp
Hello: I searched the archives but didn't find anything that solved or helped my situation and yes, I've RTFM, or parts of it. I'm using Rogers Cable HighSpeed, and they require all outbound smtp to be authenticated using SMTP AUTH LOGIN. I can't figure out the syntax to use. I do have fetchmail setup and receiving properly. Thanks for reading. Suggestions? -- Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody kernel upgrade
James Hosken wrote: > That's just what I needed, thanks. I have followed your > instructions and the kernel has installed OK and booted OK. But I > have lost the network. If worse comes to worse you can boot LinuxOLD to get your network back to be able to download new packages. In particular you might have a better initial experience with the kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 installation. That probably matches your previous version most closely and has most of the drivers compiled into the kernel so that they do not need to be selected as a module. However the bf kernel it is a very generic kernel. It is not optimized for your hardware. It also a big memory image. Getting to a tuned kernel is one of the normal things on my checklist for me. So I would give it a little bit more work. But if you get too frustrated then moving to the bf kernel will alleviate that so don't take this too far down a bad path for you if all you really want to do is to get the machine up with basic functionality. Let me recommend a little more banging around on the modules. But if you don't get that going then go ahead and fall back to using the bf kernel. > I ran modconf and added the network drivers. But I don't know how to > reconfigure the network for DHCP? If you really did get the right drivers loaded then your network should be okay. Looking at my posting I did not say to restart the network. Maybe that is all that it needs? /etc/init.d/networking restart If that does not bring the network online then things need more help. We need to see the 'lspci' output to determine what hardware you really have. The "Ethernet controller:" line will report the vendor information. lspci Plus we need to see what ethernet modules you have loaded in /etc/modules. This should be the one that modconf put there when you selected it. [The next stable version of Debian is including a good hardware discovery program. So all of the above becomes automated very quickly. That will be nice. In the meantime we just need to sprint through this short final time without it.] If you were configured for DHCP before the kernel upgrade then you are still configured for DHCP after the kernel upgrade. The kernel upgrade does not in any way change the network configuration. So that is not your problem. The configuration file which controls this is /etc/network/interfaces and it will have lines like this: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp The 'dhcp' in the above is your dhcp configuration. Another configuration option is 'static' and then listing out your static parameters after that. But using dhcp is much simpler for client application only machines. So first, did the '/etc/init.d/networking restart' have any affect? If not then what does 'lspci' say? Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian for enterprise
On Sunday 16 November 2003 18:10, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Do 'apt-get source ' (which always gets you the latest > source). Then 'cd - && dpkg-buildpackage' Yup, that's cool and all, but really, it doesn't answer the question, what is it to gain by having outdated packages in the archive...? Cheers, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim (Woody) smarthost using authenicated ssmtp
Hello: I searched the archives but didn't find anything that solved or helped my situation and yes, I've RTFM, or parts of it. I'm using Rogers Cable HighSpeed, and they require all outbound smtp to be authenticated using SMTP AUTH LOGIN. I can't figure out the syntax to use. I do have fetchmail setup and receiving properly. Thanks for reading. Suggestions? -- Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim config - using multiple smtp servers
Hello, I want to set up exim (or a different MTA if it can do it) to send mail through multiple smtp servers where the choice of the server is based on the from address. Also possibly have the local from address automaticaly replaced to one of the configured ones. To make the setup somewhat clearer. I have a routing smtp server setup at home on my adsl gateway and my uni's smtp server. I want the abbility to pick the server to use on a per email basis (they also both need different authentication). (I am trying to setup mutt for emails if that matters). -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
making /dev entries
Hello! I accidentally deleted my /dev/dsp0 file. Is there any way, to remake that device? I have recompiled my kernel, and run /sbin/MAKEDEV, but no success. Thanks! Daniel -- LeVA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for enterprise
First let me say that Debian makes a great enterprise platform. I am using it for such myself. But actually, I only use it for the base framework. I carefully drive the addition and deletion of packages. Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > Do 'apt-get source ' (which always gets you the latest > > source). Then 'cd - && dpkg-buildpackage' > > Yup, that's cool and all, but really, it doesn't answer the question, > what is it to gain by having outdated packages in the archive...? Your point gets debated often on the debian lists. The end result is almost always that debian needs to release more often. The current release cycle is way too long. The solution to this problem is not so clear. Everyone has ideas. There is always fierce flame^Wdiscussion about the solution. But still the release cycle is too long. I almost posted my own opinions. But that would just take this thread way off topic. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian woody or sarge?
David Z Maze wrote: > Philip Ross writes: > > I am looking to migrate a few Red Hat boxes to Debian in the next > > month or two and am currently wondering whether to install woody or > > sarge. You did not say but are those servers or desktops? Desktop users tend to be brutal. They want the latest bright object to swing by their field of view. They think a week is a long time to wait for something. They complain forever about something if it is broken. If you only have two desktop users then you will be able to convince them that stable is a good thing. I would have my mom run stable. But if you have a hundred (or several hundred) users then you won't be able to politic that successfully. Many of them are also very sharp hackers too. They will want the latest xine or something. I routinely have users that spin their desktop to unstable, and then complain that something is broken there! I just expect that. And laugh at them. Bwahawha... :-) Who are your users? Servers on the other hand are different. Debian stable is a perfect fit for them. Stable has everything they need. Rock solid. Security updates. It is a beautiful thing. (Yes, I admit that I took my servers to LaMont's latest bind9 and postfix backports. But I know those services very well personally too.) Servers to me mean DNS, NTP, NIS/YP, SMTP, etc. But servers might mean defect trackers, gforge/sourceforge style web environments, other things. Stable is not up to handling gforge at the moment. Just an example that one person's idea of server is different from another person's idea. What is yours? > If you're new to Debian, I'd strongly suggest starting with the stable > distribution (so, in this case, woody); if you decide it's too stale > for you, you can augment it with backports or decide to upgrade to > testing or unstable later. If you decide that testing is too broken > for you right now, it's very hard to go back to stable. And let me agree with everything David said. This is exactly my strategy for the machines I support. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Trouble with exim-tls
I've been having a lot of trouble with exim-tls, and I'd love some perspective from you folks. First off, I'm trying to get secure POP, secure IMAP, and secure SMTP set up on a Woody box. I'm trying to avoid any solution that requires updating by hand -- I want to continue to use apt-get update. (I'll eventually be adding Squirrelmail and some virus and spam blocking, but that's V2.) The easiest path I've found seems to be installing exim-tls. It installs correctly, but I can't seem to connect to it from my mail reader. It's possible I'm using the wrong settings on the client side. The error I get is "Failed to connect via ssl" which isn't very informative from the client. I've looked through the log files using webmin; I haven't found any login failure or ssl failure messages to shed any light. Obviously I'm not looking in the right places; any suggestions? Thanks very much! Schof -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
