On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:02:43AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:21, ScruLoose wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > > The reason the 2nd is there is so that King xyz or our own goverment will > > > never take our freedom. With a few exceptions the rest of the world is not > > > "free" and that is the =*Difference*=. > > > > Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. > > People have been getting "disappeared" lately in The States. Somebody > > whispers "terrorist" and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a > > completely secret tribunal, family and friends don't even know what > > you're _charged_ with... > > But of course, nobody's gonna take your freedom, nossir! 'Cause you've > > got a gun, and it at least makes you _feel_ powerful and safe. > > "disappeared"? > > Do you have any evidence of this? A URL from a semi-respectable > organization will do.
You'll probably already see these in another post somewhere in this huge, rambling OT-fest, but here goes... Indefinite detention for _no_ charges: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/08/court_upholds_us_detention_power/ Secret trials in USA: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1030/p01s02-usju.html "The Patriot Act isn't just about terrorists anymore" http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Nov/11152003/commenta/commenta.asp And there were a couple of more specific stories (Family of Muslim guy still wondering where he's gone, some months after the FBI took him away for charges relating to terrorism ... or maybe under the "material witness" catch) that I saw months ago, and I can't find references to... *shrug* Cheers! -- ,-------------------------------------------------------------------------. > -ScruLoose- | We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. < > Please do not | - Eric Hoffer < > reply off-list. | < `-------------------------------------------------------------------------'
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