>> Going quiet is the one thing, going dormant the other. With Github
>> around, we should see if there is really a need for such places like
>> Labs.
>
> Why?  In other words, what's driving you on this point?  Labs
> admittedly has a fairly narrow range of useful, a small niche.  There
> are clearly several folk who see value in that niche.

Yes. Me too.

>  You don't.

That wrong, I like Labs. I just want it to change so it is more useful
(at least what I think useful means - others have other opinions)

> Why is that a problem exactly?

Please read the related discussion on the mailinglist.

The original question was, "how to revive labs" to which I responded
to. In my opinion Labs should a little bit. Otherwise things like
github or apache-extras are more useful. Or what exactly are the
reasons why you should go to labs?

>>> The goal of labs is not to become successful, that you only become when you
>>> build a community around yourself. Instead, the goal of labs is a place to
>>> try stuff out, with the full understanding that you might not be successful.
>>> It's a place to start something.
>>
>> Yeah, but if you do something related to a ASF project you will need
>> to go to the projects Sandbox.
>
> Unless you're experimenting around a project on which you haven't commit 
> karma.

And this is exactly my problem because it is wrong what you said here.
You cannot go to labs if there is a projects sandbox, even when you
have Karma. It has been explained to me to go to apache-extras
instead.

See: http://s.apache.org/0Hf

"Labs is a place for experimentation, not a place for developing software
that is intended to be used."

With this restriction I only see a few projects who might fit to labs.

To go into labs, you need to be Apache Committer, have no interest in
doing releases or build a community and experiment on things which are
not intended to use or focused by another project.

Labs 2 should sound like: be an Apache Committer and have no interest
in community building.

There was a long discussion around this already. I kindly refer you to
spot the mailinglist, if you haven't done so.

Cheers
Christian

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