On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 07:07:45AM -0400, seth hurst wrote:
> I'm not sure how to fix this error. I tryed reinstalling pan
Reinstalling should not be the *first* thing you try to fix software
problems -- especially not when the installation was working fine and
then stopped working. Reinstallin
It's not just spaces, it is all characters.
You need to set Pan to use a monospaced or non-proportional font where
every character has the same width, sometimes called a typewriter font.
You have it set to using a proportional font where some characters are
narrower than others. E.g. "m" is abo
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 04:04:32AM +, David Melik wrote:
> Many articles I read say 'quoted text muted.' Is there no option to
> display it in every article by default?
View > Body pane > Mute quoted text
If you select the option when no newsgroup is highlighted (e.g.
immediately after st
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 08:54:58PM +, Andreas Paeffgen wrote:
> I use 0.139 on Fedora20 and see a lot of html tags in some posts of
> gmane.org newsgroups.
>
> Has Pan the facility to render html or to supress it? For humans, html to
> read is very distracting.
It does now, apparently, but
Hi all,
I'm trying to find the setting for the column where the built-in Pan
editor wraps text (when wrapping is turned on). It appears that the
editor word-wraps at column 73, but I cannot find a setting for it in
either the GUI or by poking around in .pan2/preferences.xml. Have I
missed some
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:53:59PM +, Duncan wrote:
> > WRT HTML malware, I suppose it's possible, but it seems that you would
> > have to have pretty lax defaults for your browser and OS for that to
> > really be a serious problem. I worry more about my email address
> > leaking onto the Int
On 31/08/13 06:47, Bob wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:58:51 +, thufir wrote:
Can we add a button to toggle "mute quoted text" so that it's easier to
read with just a mouse? Generally I like it muted, but then every once
in a while want to unmute (or the other way around) and have to reach
f
On 30/08/13 01:58, thufir wrote:
Can we add a button to toggle "mute quoted text" so that it's easier to
read with just a mouse? Generally I like it muted, but then every once
in a while want to unmute (or the other way around) and have to reach for
the keyboard. Oh, the misery!
You mean Vie
On 03/08/13 16:50, ashwin kesavan wrote:
HI,
I am using pan 0.139 . I have a big screen. I see that pan wraps text in
message to 80 char or something like that. How do i make pan text to fill
the available space in body pane ? Like free floating text. I am unable to
find a setting that can do th
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 11:14:40AM +0200, Heinrich Müller wrote:
> Am 30.04.2013 07:32, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
> >- Lousy default file names: saving drafts apparently defaults to
> >whatever file name you last used, regardless of the subject line of the
> >
On 14/07/13 19:02, Duncan wrote:
Heinrich Müller posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:10:52 +0200 as excerpted:
Am 10.07.2013 09:23, schrieb Rock:
Q: Can we remap Pan's send-article sequence to something less prone to
accidents?
There's a whole UI for this in pan-git.
Meanwhile, I noted toda
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 05:07:45AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Jay posted on Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:25:24 +0800 as excerpted:
>
> > I know this won't make it into version 1.0 at this late date, maybe not
> > even in 1.1,
>
> FWIW, 1.0 has been at the top of the changelog for years, thru various
> lead d
On 19/04/13 07:12, Maurice Batey wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:36:08 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
ou might remember him playing the captain in
Forbidden Planet, which was also the first screen appearance of Robbie
the Robot.
Most enjoyable film!
Not just enjoyable, but it's an incredibly *qua
On 18/04/13 04:32, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:52:38 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
Hello Joe,
The way it was said, it was actually reasonable to think that the
sentence started off, "But Doctor Shirley..."
Punctuation; It really can save lives. Consider:-
"Let's eat, grandma"
"Let
On 17/04/13 21:47, Maurice Batey wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 02:05:23 +, Duncan wrote:
http://www.google.com/search?q=don%27t+call+me+shirley
Many thanks, Duncan, for your always informative attempts to clarify the
situation, but I'm afraid even that URL still leaves me completely in th
On 29/01/13 05:51, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 01/28/2013 04:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
If you're not asked for a stable sort, you can't exactly be criticised
for not providing a stable sort. Much.
To be fair, neither of us was aware of the "problem" until after the
work w
On 28/01/13 08:55, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 01/27/2013 01:00 PM, David WE Roberts wrote:
I still don't understand why the latest threads want to snuggle up next to
the negative scores instead of the positive scores.
Sorting on several fields can be quite tricky. I remember, once, many
many years ag
On 17/12/12 05:06, Duncan wrote:
What /might/ be a problem, however, is the "pseudo-newsgroup" setup old-
pan used for its saved and sent messages folders. There's nothing like
that in new-pan. Instead, messages are saved in-place in the newsgroup,
There is no "might" about it. This is absol
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:45:45PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 11/26/2012 02:22 PM, Duncan wrote:
> >JZ has the right idea, but IIRC the wrong file. The paths for the newsrc
> >files are found in servers.xml, not preferences.xml.
>
> I think that you're going to need to edit both, then. Preferen
On 05/11/12 09:18, Bob wrote:
Remember my Heat problem?
If this is a private message to Duncan, you should send it
directly to him instead of bothering the entire list. His email
address is readily available from one of his previous emails.
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On 23/10/12 21:00, Matěj Cepl wrote:
Happens to me quite often, that pan shows just an empty message (http://
mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/pan_empty-message.png) when there is a real
message on the Google Groups (for example, http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/
tmp/ggg-clp.png).
How should I start debu
On 23/09/12 03:44, DLSauers wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:59:09 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On 21/09/12 20:58, DLSauers wrote:
The rest of the world AND the *nineteenth* century wants to say a few
words to you. ASCII was crap from the moment it was invented -- there
I don't
On 23/09/12 04:29, Paul Crawford wrote:
What I hate about unicode was the idea of adopting 16-bit characters and
thus breaking so much byte-orientated code that was written, tested, and
integrated over the history of computing.
You make it sound like the Unicode Consortium hacked into people's
On 22/09/12 00:07, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:59:09 +1000
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Heavy metal: Blue Öyster Cult, Motörhead, Mötley Crüe, Наӥв
Say that last one again? ;-)
"Наӥв", very roughly pronounced something like "Narev". It's
Russian.
On 21/09/12 20:58, DLSauers wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:36:21 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Short answer: it's an encoding problem. Some doofus is probably pasting
so-called "Smart Quotes" from Microsoft Word into their post, and their
news reader program (or Google G
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 01:33:29AM +, DLSauers wrote:
> Annoying characters in posts:
>
>
>
> Is there some font setting or something that can remove these annoying
> glyhps or what ever they are...
Short answer: it's an encoding problem. Some doofus is probably pasting
so-called "Sm
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:21:40AM +, Duncan wrote:
> However, there HAS been discussion of the possibility of implementing a
> simple "dumb tag stripper" mode (which will actually need to be
> reasonably smart if it's not to mistake "meta-observation" tags such as
> those in my first parag
Bob wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:09:12 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Bob wrote:
Was going through my groups this morning and noticed no recent activity
in this group, so I marked all as read, and then marked all threads as
read.
I moved to another group to do the same, and noticed t
Bob wrote:
Was going through my groups this morning and noticed no recent activity
in this group, so I marked all as read, and then marked all threads as read.
I moved to another group to do the same, and noticed that I still had 58
messages marked as unread in the group I had just marked as a
walt wrote:
During my attempt to debug pan.ssl, I set the number of connections
to zero for one of my for-pay servers.
I just tried to post via that same server and pan gave me no clue
that my attempted post had failed. That left me wondering why my
post never appeared.
That is certainly an o
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/22/2012 08:06 PM, thufir wrote:
I'm sure it was just someone in a hurry, but it sure*seems*
like a deliberate choice to re-define a standard.
Actually, it's quite reasonable from the proper POV. In business,
everything is filed in reverse chronological order
Speak
Ron Johnson wrote:
the vast unwashed masses just think we're a bunch of kooks and will
continue to top-post no matter how much we lecture them, because that's
how Outlook and web mail works.
No. It's because they are lazy and stupid when it comes to email (no matter
what their other virtues
thufir wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:34:44 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
The bug you refer to was probably that pan didn't display text/html
mimetype blocks even as plain text, in the buggy versions. It probably
treated those mime parts as attachments, instead.
That is not bu
Duncan wrote:
Rui Maciel posted on Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:07:01 + as excerpted:
On 02/09/2012 12:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I really don't understand the choice of displaying HTML attachments
in-line as raw text. It seems to be saying "Screw you, I dislike HTML
po
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 02/09/2012 09:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Between Outlook, Hotmail, Lotus Notes, and Gmail, good email practice is
vanishing.
And let's not forget Android. I have a Nook Tablet that does email. Not
only is it hard coded to do top posting, you can't move
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 02/09/2012 08:06 AM, Rui Maciel wrote:
Ok, then. Pick your mailing list.
I'm on several mailing lists, including one for Scribus. The list
software is set not to send html, but it does tell you that html has
been scrubbed. (When some ID10T sends *both* text and html, we
Rui Maciel wrote:
On 02/09/2012 01:47 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
The war against bad netiquette in mail and newsgroups, of course.
I don't see that "war" as having been lost. Bottom-posting is still the
norm and HTML isn't used a lot (rarely, if all) in emails and it is
non-existent in Usenet
Duncan wrote:
Maurice Batey posted on Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:34:12 + as excerpted:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:20:29 +, Maurice Batey wrote:
Is there a 'read HTML' facilty in old Pan?
Google Groups shows there was a bug (78723) that was fixed in
Pan 0.12.0 so that HTML would be shown correct
Duncan wrote:
I've wondered for quite some years why pan didn't have a systray icon.
Because it doesn't need one and it is an abuse of the user interface for
an application like Pan to waste valuable real estate in the
notification area.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511448.asp
Rhialto wrote:
On Fri 04 Nov 2011 at 13:57:51 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote:
"Real Men" read a hex-dump of /dev/kmem and just know where the process
table is placed in memory. :-)
wel... once upon a time, I used the hex memory editor in the
firmware / boot PROM of Sun 3 workstations at the univers
Graham Lawrence wrote:
Please excuse my last 2 posts, I received a note that I should not
top-post, so to those two, I bottom-posted, which seems even worse.
The purpose of email is communication. Anything which makes
communication more difficult should be avoided, whether that is
top-posting
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/22/2011 01:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/21/2011 08:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719)
That's *ancient*.
If it's not broken, don't break it by updating
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/21/2011 08:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719)
That's *ancient*.
If it's not broken, don't break it by updating.
That's only valid if subsequent versions are broken.
If
Ron Johnson wrote:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719)
That's *ancient*.
If it's not broken, don't break it by updating.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/21/2011 01:13 PM, Rick Knight wrote:
[massive snippage]
Thanks Petr.
[snip]
Please, people: delete the unneeded cruft!!
(Maybe quote auto-hide is actually bad thing...)
"Maybe"
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Duncan wrote:
Steven D'Aprano posted on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:56:01 +1000 as excerpted:
90+% of the people using Tbird still use mbox...
Like I said, old dinosaurs.
A few months back, I broke my Kmail config, and decided I'd check out
Thunderbird (I haven't used it since
Graham Lawrence wrote:
I click the post header in the top right pane, and sometimes the associated
text appears in the bottom right pane, and sometimes it doesn't. When it
doesn't, I notice that an aqua icon in its header line is absent, which
icon's presence means the article has been cached.
Joe Zeff wrote:
Every time I try to post this afternoon, Pan pops up an error message
that reads: 411 500 What?
Does anybody know what this means? Checking the logs, there's nothing
in them to explain this.
My wild guess is that your provider's news server is broken and "411 500
What?" is
Mark S Bilk wrote:
I posted several articles to alt.test, which KNode can read
but Pan can't. I'm using Pan 0.135 from the OpenSuse Linux 11.4
32-bit software repository. My Usenet source is Astraweb.
The five posts in the sequence are similar. The last one is
included in its entirety at t
Mark S Bilk wrote:
I posted several articles to alt.test, which KNode can read
but Pan can't. I'm using Pan 0.135 from the OpenSuse Linux 11.4
32-bit software repository. My Usenet source is Astraweb.
The five posts in the sequence are similar. The last one is
included in its entirety at t
David Shochat wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Mark S Bilk wrote:
I hope someone with Usenet access can try to read those articles
with Pan. Just go to alt.test and entermbin the
right-hand search box. They're easy to find.
I see the bodies of all of them, using 0.135 (Mac Sn
Mark S Bilk wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:44:10AM +0200, andreas nastke wrote:
just tried an old 0.119 windows version which happened to be installed
in the office and all five article-bodies are displayed (using giganews)
Thanks! There's a datapoint! I suspected Astraweb, but KNode
get
Duncan wrote:
When you get a post that pan either won't download or simply refuses to
display the normal way, context-click on it in the header list, and
choose "read article". That has always forced the download (if
necessary) and displayed the message for me, here.
Tried it, doesn't work
Mark S Bilk wrote:
I posted several articles to alt.test, which KNode can read
but Pan can't. I'm using Pan 0.135 from the OpenSuse Linux 11.4
32-bit software repository. My Usenet source is Astraweb.
Hahah! I reported this same thing a few weeks back... search the
archives for a post "Emp
Beartooth wrote:
My posting profiles all require an email address. Can it a/o
should it be a munged one -- say with space-paren-at-paren-space instead
of @?
You mean something like this?
fred (@) example.com
That's not a valid email address, because the @ sign is commented out.
(Yes, em
Rhialto wrote:
On Sat 09 Jul 2011 at 19:34:35 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
That's not how patents work. There's no requirement for actual lines
of code written by Microsoft to appear in the product to be a patent
infringement.
That is exactly what makes patents evil. In e
Rhialto wrote:
On Sat 09 Jul 2011 at 10:33:22 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Microsoft now is not the same
as Microsoft of 1998, or even of 2005. Thanks in part to the
European Union (who did what the US Justice Department refused to do
and actually put MS over their knee and gave them a
Beartooth wrote:
What will the effect be on how Pan works, who adopts or emulates
it, or whatever? (If Pan Triumphant will emulate the horseshoe nail by
making the whole Evil Empire of Redmond fall into a cybernetic abyss,
Excelsior! say I.)
I'm kinda tired of Microsoft bashing, and I'm sa
Beartooth wrote:
But I do claim the blind hen's occasional grain of corn : we need
to optimize against the likely abuses of the twenty-teens, whatever we
can guess of those.
I don't know what this means.
Hesitant, second-hand example : I've encountered intelligent
posters on a wide varie
Travis, please fix your quoting. That is, use Reply, not Forward, when
replying to posts.
More follows below:
Travis wrote:
-Original Message- From: Alan Meyer
[...]
Does someone have data to suggest that there is a real advantage
to having more than four connections?
From the Giga
Duncan wrote:
K. Haley posted on Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:45:54 -0600 as excerpted:
There's no way around this until I get the new back-end written.
Interesting. Long ago, before pan2/pan-0.90, there had been discussion
of using a sqlite based backend.
Oh gods please no... haven't we learned
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
(5) If the user sends the post, Pan should save the post in a Sent Posts
location, then delete the auto-save file. Pan may choose to move the
auto-save file to Sent Posts instead.)
(6) Sent posts should not be treated as downloaded news posts. It is a
record of
Duncan wrote:
In my case, the provider would accept posts to text groups then silently
drop them if they were over, IIRC, 200 lines. Other providers might drop
them for other reasons.
Are we only going to protect the user from local-machine disaster and
assume that once the server says it t
walt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:52:37 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I think this may be a bug in Pan, I'm not sure.
Can somebody else please check this post in comp.lang.python and tell me
if you can download the body?
Message-ID: <4dfe841c$0$30002$c3e8da3$54964...@news
I think this may be a bug in Pan, I'm not sure.
Can somebody else please check this post in comp.lang.python and tell me
if you can download the body?
From: Steven D'Aprano
Subject: Re: What is this syntax ?
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
References: <4dfdfc9
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/15/2011 10:10 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
I see that you are one of the 3 who use the non-web interface. Yay!
No. Please note that this isn't coming from my gmail account. When I
do reply to an email via gmail, I simply move the cursor down below the
quoted text to where
Alan Meyer wrote:
As for me writing the contract and handing it to him, I'm a
hardworking but pretty obscure consultant, not a celebrity
programmer like Guido van Rossum or Linus Torvalds. I don't
think I could bear to watch the client's lawyers spilling their
martinis, rolling on the floor, la
Duncan wrote:
Alan Meyer posted on Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:45:55 -0800 as excerpted:
[...]
Since I'm paid for the work that I do I have no grounds for complaint.
If they want to pay me to do work that they take credit for, I
understand that. I'm content to take the money and do the work. But I
s
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
If I use Articles > Ignore Author instead, how long will that apply for?
Ah, I was fooled by the lack of ellipses ... in the menu command. I
expected it would just apply the rule immediately, but in fact it opens
a dialog box and lets me choose the length of
I hardly ever use the killfile functionality, so I may be doing
something wrong. I'm using Pan 0.131, and to killfile somebody I select
one of their messages, choose Articles > Add a Scoring Rule and set:
If the group name is
and the article's author is
ignore the article (set the score to -9
Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:16:18 +, Duncan wrote:
nntp itself is slowly fading into history
I wish I understood why!
Because, for the most part, people think the WWW *is* the internet.
Anything that can't be accessed via a browser is "Here be dragons"
territory; Possibly d
bcb wrote:
True "the link mentioned above" doesn't require a log in. If you (or at
least I) follow the download link in "the link mentioned above" it *does*
require a login. It could be that others for whom it does work already
have a google account and have it set to "always log me in".
I
Beartooth wrote:
I haven't posted much to r.g in recent years, nor maybe ever from
this address; so it make a while at best for that post to appear on the
news servers.
Is r.g moderated or something? Otherwise the time since you last posted
shouldn't effect the time it takes for the post t
Ron Johnson wrote:
Your uber-earnest Marx-like writing style (dude, that 11 line
"paragraph" is ONE SENTENCE!) and use of emotionally-laded words
like "servantware" belie your assertion that we all should make
our own choices.
As opposed to *your* choice of emotionally laden terms like the
Naz
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 11/13/2010 11:08 AM, Duncan wrote:
Steve Davies posted on Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:40:07 + as excerpted:
I particularly like the Servantware references...
FWIW, I've been thinking, on and off, that I need to figure out some
reasonable way to explain that such references
here is no user
manual on the Pan home page :/
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can't talk truth to power
unless you accept that disturbing imagery is *necessary*, and maybe
even a good thing. The cost of that freedom to disturb others is that
sometimes they will disturb you.
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:18:25 pm Alan Meyer wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Our postings have crossed in the ether. I didn't see this before
> posting a reply to your last one, and of course you hadn't seen
> my reply.
>
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > > Perha
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:33:22 pm Alan Meyer wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > > http://img341.imageshack.us/i/qsoladvertisementps2.jpg/
> > >
> > > OK, I can see both sides of that one. As a guy, it's amusing,
> > > but offensiv
ted that
the two of them sleep together to get it out of their system, she turns
to Mal and, absolutely deadpan, says "I understand. We have no choice.
Take me, sir. Take me hard.", and thereby completely shredding the last
vestiges of Wash's jealousy. (As well as being a deeply fu
room (more, it'd be great if
> it were the entire audience, but there's always the few)
A few what? A few people with a sense of humour?
A few people whose coping strategy for tragedy is to make light of it?
A few people who think that tolerance means tolerating things you don
if you're updating data that's already in
place on the laptop to bring it in sync with the data on your PC. I
say "only advantage", but that's where rsync shines, and it's a *big*
advantage.
Don't get me wrong, rsync is a bril
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:08:27 pm Rob wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 06:28 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > We wouldn't be having this argument about "give it away for free"
> > if it were about making television programs. For well over half a
> > century,
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:07:03 am Alan Meyer wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> ...
>
> > You think that search engine software is hard? It's not hard. Yahoo
> > has one, Microsoft has one, Alta Vista had one, Ask Jeeves had one,
> > search engines where everywhe
quot; you mean in your own fevered imagination.
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:24:43 am Rob wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 01:34 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > Google hasn't just released the Go programming language as free,
> > open source software out of charity,
>
> If Google were primarily known for Go, you might
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:13:37 am Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/10/2010 06:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > I could continue, but I trust I've made
> > my point.
>
> Yes, you have: you can make a living while giving away your code if
> *and only if* you have an employer
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:21:32 pm Alan Meyer wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano
>
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:25:06 am Leslie Newell wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > > My challenge to you is to come up with a business model where
> > > I can both eat and make my code
m, Richard Stallman, and
hundreds of others.
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f the book of Ruth, but
it seems to me that the others aren't plausible.
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:26:33 am Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/09/2010 03:39 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > even if you convert,
> > which most rabbis don't allow and even those who do make it very
> > difficult, you'll always be a Jew by conversion and not a &q
o significantly different
> > branch of Christianity (say, Greek Orthodox) or an offshoot like
> > Mormonism or Unitarianism.
>
> Actually, I did study with the JWs and only recently decided it
> wasn't for me.
Ha, funny about that, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. D
ow unreliable floppies are, I have two or three backups
of each. Unfortunately, I have no floppy disk drive capable of reading
them, no Mac capable of executing the applications on them, and even if
I did, no way of networking such a Mac with my main computer or the
Internet.
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able, after a mere decade or so. Paper, vellum and
papyrus lasts for centuries when treated well, electronic records
become obsolete and unreadable before you can say "what do you mean we
don't have a computer capable of running the only application that can
read the data file?".
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:47:09 pm Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Historically, freedom of choice in religion was vanishingly rare. It
> *still* is vanishingly rare in many parts of the world, particularly
> the Islamic world, where proselytising other religions is a crime,
> and convertin
t Christians, and here's why I'm not sure
> it applies to Islam, etc), it's called "salvation by faith". If it's
> the law, it's not faith.
On the contrary, according to most Christians throughout history, it's
the law that you have faith, or else.
t aware of precisely what it did.
And of course the truly paranoid (or realistic, if you prefer) would
consider the possibility that ZoneAlarm itself has been trojaned, and
is lying about the BM.EXE program as part of an attack on Memorex's
reputation.
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closed source, or to
disagree that transparency is valuable, but to point out that malware
can come in many disguises.
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:51:52 pm Duncan wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano posted on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:34:21 +1100 as
excerpted:
> > For what it's worth, I agree with Petr. The removal of the
> > automatically-save-sent-emails functionality was very nearly a deal
> > br
thing. You have to manually save
posted messages as a DRAFT, before sending, otherwise Pan does not save
it. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's ridiculous that a news/mail
client (Pan sends email too) doesn't automatically save sent posts.
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