hose that used rules at all,
even fewer had reason to try the OR functionality and ever realize it was
broken.
(I haven't actually looked at mentioned TODOs in the mentioned branch;
maybe you mention the missing OR implementation there?)
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> On Monday, 31 March 2025 03:07:22 Central European Summer Time Duncan
> wrote:
>> CMake Error at pan/data-impl/CMakeLists.txt:1 (add_library):
>> Cannot find source file:
>>
>> article-r
ime has
passed. I don't carry a lot of patches locally but I do carry some, and
it's nice knowing that I have and know how to use that option, where I do
find my usage diverging /just/ enough from upstream that it's worth the
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my late 50s), but then I took a "practice retirement"
of 18 months during covid, and never got around to it even then, so
realistically there's a 50/50 chance (more?) I /never/ will.
Oh, well. When I bought that TB block several years ago (actually could
be close to a decade
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> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 23:08:15 - (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> > $ pan --debug
>> [...snip...]
>> icon.cc:43:load_icon_from_path)
>> > Una
th
new database code.
The announcement can be found on-list as (including gmane.io newsgroup
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Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gn
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and found in /usr/share/pan/icons, but as DD mentions and as the debug
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HTML format message parts, etc. Among other things the MIME RFCs defined
the MIME-type header
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> I will have time.
Just keep in mind that custom colors are broken in 0.159. They're fixed
in 0.160 and weren't yet broken in 0.158. If that doesn't bother you
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now: grab the pan
sources and patch them to make the defaults what you want, and rebuild
pan, much like I did recently for pan's color customization when that was
broken. That works... if you're determined enough to make it worth the
trouble. (Tho for me as a gentooer that's n
read pan again without color-hack patches and without
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uses is a *lot* lower level and harder for a shell-
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> 4) Body pane color display settings all remain at default, not applying
> the custom color settings.
So... After staring at the code and trying various dumb "I wonder if..."s
for hours, I conceded my all to
Duncan posted on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:38:52 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> It should be mentioned, however, that unlike the other color settings
> which have fg/bg pairs, only per-group fg colors are customizable. The
> bg has no per-group setting and is always that set in the main
>
Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:10:04 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> So the three big bugs so far remain:
So while I had noted that my custom group-pane group-color settings had
carried over properly, I hadn't actually tried changing any of them yet.
But because those are the only
Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:20:48 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> [Just throwing in some fake nested quotes here to test them.]
>
>>>> third level quote
As expected since it's body pane, that third-level quote (now 4th level)
color was default as well. Further evi
Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:01:10 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:10:04 - (UTC) as excerpted:
>
>> So the three big bugs so far remain:
>>
>> 1) The prefs/colors display code is not loading the user's custom
>>
Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:10:04 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> So the three big bugs so far remain:
>
> 1) The prefs/colors display code is not loading the user's custom colors
> for display, so it's always displaying app defaults. This appears to
> apply t
Duncan posted on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:07:48 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> There may be other bugs, and for sure the bugs above seem to apply to
> more than Other Text, but it's hard to test and actually confirm
> anything until it's being written to config and shows up in a
> p
efore the
0.159 version-bump commit, but the NEWS file doesn't appear to mention
color changes, so maybe 0.159 is conservatively still on the old color
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but not (now) /that/
much harder once learned?
Or is it more than that that isn't working? The post really didn't have
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> I can’t see that function being used in pan so far.
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ing an XDG-standards-compliant theme in place of adwaita in
homebrew could help. Alternatively, there are fallbacks that can be
configured (but adwaita doesn't, that being part of the controversy),
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latively higher network speeds and faster solid-
state "disks", there's less /need/ these days to have "a trayed/
backgrounding pan", than there was years ago when especially-cold-cache
startup wasn't almost-instant and downloading a movie over dialup easily
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excerpted:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:53:44 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
>
>> The other possibility would be adding smallish/mediumish sizes to
>> options
>
> I think "configurable", either globally
Duncan posted on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 05:56:53 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> In closer-to-plain-English pseudocode:
>
> First we have a broken-out boolean has_image_type_in_subject (), which
> searches for image-extension strings ( jpg/gif/jpeg/png) in the subject
> line, retur
Jim Henderson posted on Sun, 10 Mar 2024 00:20:07 - (UTC) as
excerpted:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 02:41:42 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
>
>> AFAIK it's not a size threshold per se, but rather, it happens with a
>> message split into several parts (sub-messages, each sent sepa
t to
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David Chmelik posted on Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:24:47 -0800 as excerpted:
> On 3/8/24 5:49 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> David Chmelik posted on Fri, 8 Mar 2024 05:19:17 - (UTC) as
>> excerpted:
>>
>>> What [cache] size do you recommend if I currently use 1,500+
>>> n
ever actually do a split
like this, but the option remains and autosplitting still occurs if the
split size is low enough to trigger it, which it can be if someone tries
to attach too much and doesn't use some other form of pre-splitting.)
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David Chmelik posted on Fri, 8 Mar 2024 05:19:17 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:10:56 + (UTC), Duncan wrote:
>> As to your question, years ago I was the person who asked to bump the
>> max cache size from 1 GiB -- I needed 4 GiB at the time and it was
David Chmelik posted on Mon, 22 Jan 2024 06:34:53 - (UTC) as
excerpted:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:05:24 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
>
>> David Chmelik posted on Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:32:10 - (UTC) as
>> excerpted:
>>
>>> Every time I select multiple gro
Duncan posted on Thu, 4 Jan 2024 06:06:37 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> other than the missing cursors you still prefer the theme missing theme
Ugh. "theme missing /them/"!
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initial pointer to the xcursor manpage that's well out of scope for this
post and well beyond what I've done personally. But I do occasionally
download new cursor themes and switch between them as the whimsy occurs,
and have occasionally come across so
helps.
If that doesn't help, hopefully DD can help you further with the gnome-
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get what
everyone else does, complete with headers added by your server, any in-
transit posting errors that resulted in the message not being what you
intended, etc. But you'll have to do that via the group posted to, not
sent messages, which likely never got to index it.
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David Chmelik posted on Sat, 23 Dec 2023 10:29:13 - (UTC) as
excerpted:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:52:29 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
>> Duncan posted on Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:06:32 - (UTC) as excerpted:
>>> David Chmelik posted on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:43:08 -0700 as excerpted:
Duncan posted on Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:06:32 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> David Chmelik posted on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:43:08 -0700 as excerpted:
>
>> On 8/27/23 8:22 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2023 04:07:02 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
>>>
e likely firmware
within the touchpad, or possibly the driver, in any case well below the
application software level).
I'll reread the other thread but my sense (from memory) is it's got us
stumped now, and we don't know what else to do but commiserate.
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it first in case you
want to refer to it for some reason) to start clean that way.
(In theory you can manually edit the newsrc file too, but that's really
only worth the trouble if there's only a handful of groups affected, not
the ~1500 you mentioned. Far easier to just start clean.)
allowing for gaps to be filled in due to
held-but-already-numbered messages appearing later, etc. But if already
read messages appear for whatever reason with sequence numbers pan doesn't
have in its newsrc ranges, or conversely, if new messages appear with
numbers already listed in tho
for both fetching/reading and posting, at least as
a workaround until you /do/ have occasion to do a proper distro upgrade.
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dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Fri, 8 Sep 2023 00:31:29 -0700
as excerpted:
> On 9/7/23 2:26 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Thu, 7 Sep 2023 00:20:07
>> -0700 as excerpted:
>>
>>> If I select a high-activity group
few days or weeks) was common, too, so most servers
didn't /have/ more than a a couple hundred thousand headers on even their
busiest groups.
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d in any case the issue
there seems to be window-internal, not expressed in full main-window size,
so unaddressable via window rule.
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and look for lines like the following (where you replace date with whatever
column name you want to change and nnn is the width in pixels, that being
the number you'd change):
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;autopoint": No such file or directory at
> /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 293.
A quick lookup on my gentoo system (where build-from-source is the default
so it's setup for it) says /usr/bin/autopoint belongs to the gettext
package.
So if you don't have a gett
Tom Tanner via Pan-users posted on Sat, 29 Jul 2023 08:44:34 +0100 as
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> On 24/07/2023 14:49, Duncan wrote:
>> The problem has to do with gtk icon-caching. When they're cached, as
>> they are in most cases, no problem. But when a gtk-related update
>> i
ide. Of course you can watch the build output to see
what order they appear, tho with all the other flags about which libraries
to link against, etc, the commandline tends to be pretty long so it can
take either pausing or a practiced eye (and/or a slow CPU) to scan it on
the fly.
read, yes. preferences.xml. Or you can try
editing it (or save a copy when it's working and replace it when it goes
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workaround.
The things we'll do to work around computer bugs in our favorite programs!
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27;t?
And finally, worth checking as it has happened to me and others... Ensure
that under view menu, header pane, you don't have some combination of
settings you forgot about that's hiding your posts, so the posts are
getting to the group but you're just not seeing them due to pan
uto-conversion
is unwarranted complexity and a bug invitation too far), that will popup
the first time the fixed version runs, then store the fact that it ran
somewhere (new preferences.xml line?) so it doesn't need to bother the
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Dieter Britz posted on Tue, 3 Jan 2023 10:37:39 +0100 as excerpted:
> Hi Duncan
>
> thanks for the suggestion. Does "reconfigure from scratch" mean
> removing and re-installing pan? After, of course, erasing all those
> files.
Removing/reinstalling isn't what I
tell what happened and possibly delete or edit only the
bad part, keeping in mind of course that I already made a backup that's
easy enough to restore and try again if I screw something up.
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Duncan posted on Tue, 27 Sep 2022 08:35:27 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> Dominique Dumont posted on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:39:39 +0200 as excerpted:
>
>> Duncan, can you try on your side ?
>
> I should get to it in a couple days.
>
> (... so this "weekend" (Sunday
Dominique Dumont posted on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:39:39 +0200 as excerpted:
> Duncan, can you try on your side ?
I should get to it in a couple days.
(Last week was more hectic than usual including replacing my water heater
(!!) and making the last payment on my car loan =:^), so this
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771e5655 still built against the new glibc, as did the immediately
pre-culprit
commit 503708583, so indeed the culprit is 18f92b133.
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so worth a try for those on low-resolution displays;
kind of the opposite of my dual 75-inch 4K monitors, probably the reason I
don't tend to use it. But for those who have trouble fitting all the
panes in the room they have for pan I imagine it could be a god-sent.)
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dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:43:11 -0700
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> On 9/4/22 5:19 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Fri, 2 Sep 2022 19:37:53
>> -0700 as excerpted:
>>
>>> Like for past few years until earlier
rg/web/20160417105503/http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
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have the chance, try
keeping the mouse out of the body pane and see if that helps it keep
running. If it does, you very likely have the same bug I did, and
/something/ I updated recently fixed it. If pan crashes before you get
that far or when the mouse is elsewhere, you probably have a di
ng accessibility gets there's sure to be bugs in
that still and you're the first I've seen reporting them. So you're
already helping to fix them by just posting this. =:^)
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ve),
proportional/monospace body pane view is an easy toggle: view menu, body
pane, use monospace fonts.
If you have a hotkey set to toggle that (my hotkeys are customized and I
long ago forgot the defaults, "c" here) it's an easy toggle, perhaps /too/
easy as it occasionally confu
Dominique Dumont posted on Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:02:02 +0200 as excerpted:
> On Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:45:56 CEST Duncan wrote:
>> What gmime version are you building against? 3.2.7 (from March of
>> 2020) or earlier?
>
> 3.2.7
>
>> FWIW, gmime-3.2.7 here, bu
Dominique Dumont posted on Mon, 07 Mar 2022 19:48:27 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Sunday, 6 March 2022 03:35:17 CET Duncan wrote:
>> The tooling/scripts generally detect
>> when .configure is outdated or missing and run the associated tools as
>> necessary.
>
> Indeed.
-gig
for text messages so it's effectively permanent and I'm not sure if it
erases sent messages from the cache along with other old messages when the
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quot;kids' time" categories, if that's what you want/need to do.
Just make the "adult" one a script that you have to invoke from the
commandline, maybe after mounting its PAN_HOME using the root password or
something or it errors out, while the "kids" one ha
t only.
>
> I know there'd been some discussion in the past about doing some sort of
> HTML rendering (or stripping, ala claws) to deal with situations like
> that, but ultimately that discussion didn't really seem to go anywhere.
>
> In one of the discussions, Duncan men
it site.)
[2] IDR the details but I remember seeing the git commit that was supposed
to fix it. =:^) Tho FWIW I still have the rule set so I can't be sure it
actually did. For the main window tho I only have a minimum size set,
because pan seems to be sane with that, but sometimes I want
veloper's
"nearly working" in a git comment does NOT correspond to "I think it's
nearing release quality." But there's definitely some serious work going
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excerpted:
> On 24/03/2022 04:23, Duncan wrote:
>> Dominique Dumont posted on Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:51:20 +0100 as
>> excerpted:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 11:21:54 CET Tom Tanner via Pan-u
to any documentation necessary to figure out
how to do so, etc, and you've tested that said rescue disk/stick/etc is
actually bootable...) Until that restore test has been completed
successfully, it's an intended backup in process, not a backup.
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earches, for strings
consisting only of several digits, or retrieving older entries from the
clipboard history). As long as you just put something in the clipboard
and use it without forcing it into history or triggering an action, it
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. So you may need to dump
the newsrc files and start over with that bit of the config, downloading
the list of groups from each server again to initialize new newsrc files,
and starting over with marking which messages you've already read.
Your posting.xml file, which tracks the posting p
, if it get marked unread, it'll still
show up as cached and thus be easy to see that you've already processed it
and can mark it as read again from that. (Click on the header of the
column with the disk in it to sort by that, so all the cached ones are
together and can be selected and
ing
to do it manually. =:^)
But as I said, gtk3 pan doesn't seem to have that bug (tho it does bring
its own, including for me the crashing bug I mentioned in the 0.150
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Dominique Dumont posted on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 14:27:34 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 21:27:57 CET Duncan wrote:
>> My autotools foo isn't the best so I'm not entirely sure this answers
your question, but...
>>
>> ./configure [snipped as it's
Duncan posted on Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:31:00 - (UTC) as excerpted:
> Working here (gentoo, building from git), but still crashy. In
> particular I've found pan crashes quite reliably if I hover the mouse
> over the body pane, so apparently some pointer event triggering it.
>
Dominique Dumont posted on Wed, 02 Mar 2022 19:02:34 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 11:31:00 CET Duncan wrote:
>
>> Working here (gentoo, building from git), but still crashy. In
>> particular I've found pan crashes quite reliably if I hover the mouse
&g
id triggering that crash), pan's reasonably
stable.
And some of my replies still aren't showing up, tho that's using gmane so
could be a problem with its forwarding to the mailing lists or with the
mailing list processing, as opposed to a problem with pan. It's also
poss
ired -devel
packages already installed and only need the one or a handful that require
newer versions now.
Of course from-source distros (like the gentoo I run, and I believe arch
as well, tho I believe it's binary for core packages, but doesn't split
libs regardless) don't te
r server of choice after both
the group-refresh and double-checking the posting profile setup it's
possible you may have to edit something manually, but we can deal with
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> On mercredi 6 octobre 2021 19:51:50 CEST Duncan wrote:
>> Now that we're getting a somewhat workable pan again, the biggest
>> remaining issue I've been seeing is the posting error due to pan
>
ot tested whether it's fixed in the last
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Hopefully that means we get the gtk3/gtk4 and other build updates
committed upstream reasonably quickly, and building pan against current
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probably could stare and trial-and-error it in a
day. But it shouldn't take a proper coder 10 minutes, maybe 20 including
build-and-runtime-testing.)
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"Every nonfree program has a lord,
Duncan posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:35:43 + as excerpted:
> I guess the way to find out is to send this and see!
Hey, it posted! =:^)
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master.&q
Lacrocivious Acrophosist via Pan-users posted on Wed, 19 Aug 2020 01:22:53
+ as excerpted:
> Unfortunately we appear to have lost the individual embodying our
> Institutional Memory, Duncan. His last posts are from 2018 and, given
> his devotion to Pan over so many years and his
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