I have an investment transaction imported by OFX, and KMM crashes with
a Floating point exception when I try to open the account in the ledger.
[below lines manually wrapped and memos and some other fields shortened
for readability.]
From the kmm-statement file for the ofx import:
action="s
I'm working my way through new screenshots for the manual, and I can no
longer find any qif file(s) to use to import. I suspect whatever I had
got lost the last time I migrated /home to a new disk. I someone has
one or two good example qif files for import they are willing to share,
I wou
I'm capturing a new full set of screenshots for the manual, and I'm
stuck on the icon for Outbox View. I have not been able to find it
under /usr/share/icons, where I've so far found all the other icons
I've looked for. I've attached a screenshot from running KDE, but I am
looking for the
Sometimes, I have two instances of KMyMoney open at the same time,
looking at different data files. On several occasions, I have had the
experience of closing one of the two open files (I think, but am not
certain, that the problem happens when I close the file I had opened
earlier.) If I
While doing some other file cleanup, I discovered a pair of stock
transactions (one buy, one sell) which have a payee specified in the
split for the stock account. I have no idea how it got there, but I'd
like to remove it. Unfortunately, the investment transaction editor
does not show th
For the past few weeks/months I've pretty much given up on trying to
retrieve online stock prices. This week, I finally updated my sources,
and most of my stocks retrieved the latest price just fine. However,
many mutual funds did not, failing with "Unable to find 'timestamp'
from date pa
Is there any way to remove the memo from multiple transactions in a
single edit, even if the memos are all identical?
This is with a version recently compiled from master. If I select
multiple (even just two) transactions, all identical except for date,
the transaction editor opens - but A
On 12/26/24 2:10 AM, Thomas Baumgart via KMyMoney-devel wrote:
On Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2024 23:26:35 CET Jack Ostroff via KMyMoney-devel
wrote:
Merry Christmas to all.
In bits of spare time, I've been trying to compile libalkimia and
kmymoney for Qt6. I was having some difficulties ge
Merry Christmas to all.
In bits of spare time, I've been trying to compile libalkimia and
kmymoney for Qt6. I was having some difficulties getting them to find
mpir. While digging into the details of why, as I read the code, I see
KMyMoney prefers MPIR to GMP (from CMakeLists.txt) since 6 ye
In working recently with some reports, I've found behavior regarding
memos which I did not expect, and find a bit odd.
To test, I created a new transaction, in the ledger for a cash
account. The memo I entered ended up only in that split, not in the
transaction itself. However, I know I h
Trying to compile latest master results in:
In file included from
/var/tmp/portage/app-office/kmymoney--r1/work/kmymoney-/kmymoney/plugins/kbanking/gwenkdegui.cpp:11:
/usr/include/gwenhywfar5/gwen-gui-qt5/qt5dialogbox.hpp:23:95: error:
invalid conversion from 'int' to 'Qt::WindowType'
I have just merged Ralf's additions to the Payees chapter of the
handbook about payee link matching. Everything worked fine with a
newly compiled KMM, except I still didn't see "Open URL" in the context
menu for a transaction. By email, Ralf told me I needed to
remove/rename ~/.local/shar
[snip]
Nothing in your ccmake output strikes me as wrong, but I'll try a
detailed comparison to my own output later.
So cmake does produce a bunch of Makefiles for you, but before finishing
the configuration, it complains about no targets and no makefile. That
error sounds like it comes
Hi Brendan,
On 10/2/24 1:02 PM, Brendan Coupe via KMyMoney-devel wrote:
I have been compiling KMM with scripts I wrote 15 or so years ago. I
stopped updating 5he 5.1 branch about a year ago when it was clear
very little was happening there. I want to switch to the master branch
as it appears
On 9/17/24 12:42 PM, Jeremy Whiting via KMyMoney-devel wrote:
Hello,
How does one currently build kmymoney from master branch? I've been
trying to sort it out myself, but have hit some walls. Here are my
questions.
1. KMymoney master branch depends on alkimia 6, but alkimia master
branch se
I've been having problems with consistency check for a long time, but
never bothered to track down the cause. I'm trying to do that now, and
everything I see just confuses me more. I do assume that the initial
issue is introduced with the ofx import from Fidelity, but I also think
KMM is
Several times over the past few days, when I reconcil, instead of the
reconcile bar actually progrssing from 0 to 100 and then disappearing,
it shows up and just stays there. These seem to be cases where the
actual reconciliation is completed within one second or so. There is
no button on
I'm doing my monthly reconciliation of a bunch of my investment
accounts, and on the second one noticed that the green reconciliation
bars in the ledger are not showing up for my investment accounts. I'm
not actually sure when this started. Am I missing something or should
I file it as a
With 5.1.80-022af411a, I get a crash closing my data file (xml.) (So
far tried with two different files.) Possibly related to f34f4e99?
Backtrace:
(gdb) bt
#0 KMyMoneyAccountCombo::setSelected (this=0x3ff0, id=...,
ignoreCache=ignoreCache@entry=false) at
/usr/include/qt5/QtC
The current doc (from 2011) says that KMM will import the xml files
produced by gnucash versions 1.8 and 2.0 Gentoo Linux tells me GnuCash
4.13 is the latest stable version, and that even 5.3 has been released.
Can the doc simply say that files from any recent version of Gnucash
should be
I'm finding git requiring me to run clang-format on most code changes.
Most of the time, it is fine - just fixing up bad indentation (tabs ->
spaces) but sometimes it completely re-indents something in ways that
make it actually harder to read, or using longer lines.
https://community.kde
The MacOS build of KMyMoney on Jenkins has been failing for a week.
There is also a report on Discuss of the MacOS version not running
(Could not initialize KBanking online banking interface, but we're
still trying to get at the full stdout console output) but it's not at
all clear wheth
When I do a consistency check, the results include
* The security 'UNITEDHEALTH GROUP INC' has no price set for the
opening date '2023-04-03'.
However, the that security is held in a single investment account, in
the security account
lastmodified="2023-05-08" institution=""
opened
Somehow I ended up with a stock with one name in the Equities tab of
the Investment View, but a different name (same symbol and other
details) in the Securities tab. In the ledger, all transactions for
that stock were displayed with the name shown in the Equities tab, but
when edited, the
Just noticed today, that in git master (Version 5.1.80-9f9089fe4) I can
enter the dialog to enter the next scheduled transactions, but when I
hit Enter, nothing happens. The transaction remains on the list still
to be entered. Same if I try from the Scheduled transaction View or
from the
I've gotten some pipeline failure messages for my MR, which only
changes doc files, so I am assuming it is something about the CI setup
( build_local_ubuntu_2110). Should I ignore it, or report it, and if
so, to whom?
Thanks.
Jack
First, thanks for all the help and quick work dealing with everything
I've been adding to Issue 61. All my original crashes and other issues
are fixed or are being worked on. This was all for reconciling a
bunch of investment accounts and a checking account, so it was a pretty
good exerc
In playing with qif profiles, I created a new profile, and did a qif
export with several different date formats. All selections I tried
with a four digit year worked as expected. However, for two digit year
formats, the output had the final delimiter replace by a single quote.
For exampl
I decided to test the sql back end, but when I try to save as a mysql
database, I get an exception thrown that opening the database failed.
So, I'm debugging in kmymoney/plugins/sql/mymoneystoragesql_p.h. I've
added some debugging output in createDatabase, and found something that
doesn't
The download page has two links for windows versions. The link for
"download server" has links for 5.0.6 from last September. The link
for "preview builds" is for nightly builds from master branch. Should
we add the link to the Jenkins page of nightly builds from the 5.1
branch, and sho
Now that the gitlab migration has been completed, what is the suggested
way to handle review requests? (I'd say code review, but for me it's
docs.) Should I create a new branch "work-docs" and push my changes to
there and make a merge-reqest, with the delete branch on merge? I
include "w
I'm trying to see if I can actually help get a more recent version of
KMM working with ofx and maybe even AqBanking for Windows, so I've
finally succeeded in getting Craft set up on Win 10 in a VirtualBox
instance. I've got most of the dependencies installed, but there are
some which still
I don't know why I always seem to find these inexplicable, bizarre
problems, but I've got another one. I don't think this is really a KMM
problem, but something KDE related, but as of now, KMM is the only KDE
app which exibits the problem - no menu bar.
I'm running plasma-desktop, and do N
Thomas,
Per your suggestion in the Wayland thread, I just recompiled with
UNFINISHEDFEATURES enabled. Selecting the new ledger gives me an
immediate segfault, from both 5.0 and master, and whether or not I have
already selected an account. I'm pretty sure I can easily enough get a
backt
I'll skip the longwinded history, but I am trying to delete a security
account in an investment account. There is no other security/equity
for the same underlying security. I can "Close" it, but not "Delete"
it. I have deleted all prices for it. By grepping the xml file, it
seems to exi
I've been using the appimage version for the past few days, following
the issues with importer plugins, and just discovered that it fails
when fetching stock prices. (empty quote data) Re-installing 5.0.6,
using the exact same data file, and all prices get fetched with no
problem. I'm pr
I thought there had been a (relatively) recent change to allow
investment transactions to not need a brokerage account if there was
zero amount (i.e, fees equal to the investment amount) but I can't find
anything in the git log about it. I do see Bug 408692 which mentions
this, but it is s
As I remember, there was a relatively recent switch to list ALL
accounts as possible targets of imports. Unfortunately, even
Investment accounts are now included on that list. I have not yet
tested to see what happens if I choose one, but I can't imagine it
would be good. Also - in this
I can't tell if there has been a regression, or if I'm doing something
wrong, but when I buy shares, creating a new equity account, even if I
own shares in the same equity in a different investment account, it
always creates a new security, instead of offering to reuse the
existing one. I
I've been trying to update one of my investment accounts, and have been
having trouble with one particular transaction. I've repeated the
direct connect import several times, and the transaction does not show
up in that account. After finally repeating the import after launching
KMM from
In the Configure KMyMoney, Home section, the list of optional sections
for the home page includes "Forecast (history)"When I toggle this,
I do not see any change on the home page. Was this section dropped or
renamed and the entry in this list simply missed getting deleted?
Related to t
On the Configure KMyMoney dialog, General section, General tab, the
last section is "External programs" with only one entry - for
"Calculator". I have tried putting the path to various programs in
there - with no apparent effect. Is this actually used at all? After
setting this and bring
Hello all,
I'm trying to reconcile some accounts, and find there are numerous
transactions listed online and in my pdf statement, which have not been
imported. I see them in ofxlog.txt and in a manually downloaded ofx
file, but not in the kmm-statement file. This seems to have started
s
I don't think I've ever mentioned it on this list, but I've long had a
minor issue with the date selection widget in the transaction editor.
If you select the date part, the up and down arrows change the date
between 0 and the highest date in the month. I would really like it to
go past e
I just filed a bug that the ledger, when displaying transactions for a
category, does not show the name of that category, but shows the name
of the most recent account for which the ledger was displayed.
The other thing I just rediscovered about the category ledger is that,
for me, a large
I was looking through all transactions for a specific payee, and found
something that does not make any sense to me.
The payee is the US Treasury, which I use to track my federal tax
payments. The transaction was "Sell shares" from an investment
account. The transaction has three splits (
I just tried recompiling from git head branch 5.0. It claimed it could
not find an appropriate configuration file for libalkimia5. It found
version 8.0.0 of the relevant cmake files, which are there because I
currently have libalkimia installed from git head. For now, I'll just
reinstall
I was just reconciling my investment account (confirming number of
shares held) and my statement shows a number of shares of a stock which
did not appear in the investments list for that account. I went back
to the ledger, and found the buy shares transaction, which shows a
balance of the
On 2018.11.12 16:27, Jack wrote:
OK, I've now been able to duplicate it - it does NOT happen if the
build directory is not under the source directory. It does happen if
the build directory is under the source directory. I still haven't
figured out exactly what is failing, but I finally do
I'm not sure if it's the same crash others have reported, but very
often lately, I've been getting a crash on startup. It most commonly
happens when I launch from a shortcut icon on my toolbar. So far,
every case I checked puts into dmesg:
[80251.062950] kmymoney[16385]: segfault at 220 i
I'm trying to create a small test kmy file which shows the problem of
KMM asking for the brokerage account every time I do an ofx import for
my investment accounts. So far, I can't reproduce it, but I do have a
different problem. I created a new kmy file with a checking account,
and then
I have been doing battle with craft and kde-windows for several days,
and have managed to get all prerequisites compiled. However, kmymoney
failed to compile. I get what I think is the same failure on Artix
Linux, but not my Gentoo box, so I suspect it might again be related to
QT 5.11.
Recently, I've been playing with some informal comparisons between make
and ninja as build system, and between gcc and clang as compiler. I
have a sense that ninja is a bit faster, although I've also been trying
cccache, which make a great difference if doing clean compiles but with
only m
I'm not sure when I first noticed this, but it hit me again today. If
I go to the Categories View and double click on a category, it switched
to the ledger view of that category - but the Account Name drop-down at
the top of the ledger displays the last regular account which was shown
in t
I know there has been some recent work on both file storage and the
file save dialogs and processes. I have not followed that carefully,
having been concentrating my efforts on some other ongoing problems.
I'll be glad to file a bug for this - it looks like a continuation of
one of the re
I was very happy when my emails with Thomas led me to figure out the
cause of my problems with some OFX imports seeming to create
transactions I could not edit because KMM claimed that the category
used was a closed account. In fact, the bug was that KMM was reporting
the wrong account as
Under Artix Linux, trying to compile KMM from git head, I get
In file included from
/home/jack/KMM/kmymoney/kmymoney/dialogs/kfindtransactiondlg.cpp:20:
/home/jack/KMM/kmymoney/kmymoney/dialogs/kfindtransactiondlg_p.h: In
member function ‘void KFindTransactionDlgPrivate::init(bool)’:
/home/ja
I finally set up a new Craft environment, and got all KMM deps
installed OK.
First issue - KMM complained about finding python36 but needing
python2. I did "craft python2" and that error disappeared. Should
python2 be included as a dep?
Now, I still get the following:
.
-- Performi
I like seeing the Last Reconciled column in the Assets and Liabilities
Summary on the home page. However, all the dates are wrapped to two
lines, and it seems to me there is plenty of room - being used as extra
padding in other columns, particularly the Current Balance. Also, it
seems lik
I just tried doing my monthly ofximports to update my investment
accounts (Merrill Lynch). Based on some notation in the ofx produced
by Merrill Lynch, certain transactions have their income assigned to
the category "_Dividend". Oddly, however, I had closed this category
in the past so it
I actually think I have mentioned this previously, but I now confirm it
happens with 5.0. If I do an ofximport (direct connect) of an
investment account, KMM asks me which checking account to use, instead
of defaulting to the assigned (default) brokerage account. It even
asks if I repeat
The current Accounts view description says there are four account
categories: Asset, Liability, Income, and Expense. Only the first two
are actually described there. If I am correct, Income and Liability
accounts only include Categories, and so will never be shown on the
Accounts view, o
When I went to take the screenshot for the institutions view, I found
that no columns except for the institution and account names were
present. This optionality seems to be new. I seemed obvious enough to
me to right click on the column header to add the other columns. When
I went to th
I'm slowly working my way through updating all the screenshots in the
manual, but many of the images are actually just icons used by the
program, so it's easier for me to just use the same icon file instead
of trying to capture an image from the screen. However, there seem to
be a few whic
I just recompiled from the 5.0 branch, and there is a problem with the
online mapping. None of my mapped accounts show as mapped. However,
if I click the Account menu, I see "Unmap account" enabled, and "Map
account" is disabled.
The first time I ran this version, I got a crash on trying
I just saw a note (happened to be on a Gentoo mailing list) that as of
GnuCash 2.7, the schema for both database and files is changing. While
this is likely a low priority for us, I wonder if our gnucash import
routines check for file version?
Jack
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/relea
On 2018.01.07 13:44, Jack wrote:
On 2018.01.07 13:38, Jack wrote:
With a fresh pull from git master (no extra patches) I have now
gotten twice, right on launch:
Uncaught error. Please report the details to the developers
No storage object attached to MyMoneyFile in file
/home/jack/KDE/KMM/k
With a fresh pull from git master, I get a compile failure
[ 20%] Building CXX object
kmymoney/dialogs/CMakeFiles/dialogs.dir/kreportconfigurationfilterdlg.cpp.o
/path-to-source/kmymoney/dialogs/kreportconfigurationfilterdlg.cpp:61:33:
fatal error: ui_reporttabgeneral.h: No such file or direc
On 9/8/2017 6:47 PM, Jack wrote:
I'm away from home, with my Windows laptop, and I want to check
something in my kmy file, which I have a copy of. I downloaded the
windows installer from the link on the home page and ran it. I have
now clicked on the icon; I have tried to launch from cmd; I ha
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Ship it!
Ship It!
- Jack Ostroff
On Aug. 29, 2017, 2
> On Aug. 29, 2017, 3:27 p.m., Jack Ostroff wrote:
> > Please clarify - this makes the qt4 and qt5 versions of libalkimia
> > co-installable. Is that only if both are the same version, or is it also
> > true if you compile libalkimia 5.0.0 (released) with qt4 and 6.0.0
marked as submitted.
Review request for KMymoney, Ralf Habacker and Thomas Baumgart.
Changes
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Submitted with commit 06eec27a6885535f5ef3782232f564cff32672bf by Jack Ostroff
to branch 4.8.
Repository: kmymoney
Description
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Accept Ralf's spelling fix and update number of
org/r/130210/diff/
Testing
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passes checkXML and meinproc4.
Aside from typos and changes to order or emphasis, let me know if there are any
other chapters or sections that should really get updated, as the last complete
revision to the manual was for 4.6.x.
Thanks,
Jack Ostroff
d
Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/130210/diff/
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Aside from typos and changes to order or emphasis, let me know if there are any
other chapters or sections that should really get updated, as the last complete
revision to the manual was for 4.6.x.
Thanks,
Jack Ostroff
and changes to order or emphasis, let me know if there are any
other chapters or sections that should really get updated, as the last complete
revision to the manual was for 4.6.x.
Thanks,
Jack Ostroff
he next two days,
and push the changes, or drop this request, and resubmit through Phabricator.
- Jack
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ever a 6.0.0?) which cannot be used
by KMM 4.8.x although it is still mentioned.
- Jack Ostroff
On Aug. 29, 2017, 2:06 p.m., Ralf Habacker wrote:
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I hope rbt (review board tools) will be able to work with Phabricator, or there
is a replacement.
Jack
On Aug 24, 2017, 5:26 AM, at 5:26 AM, Thomas Baumgart
wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>since there are some reviews still lingering around for KMyMoney on
>KDE's
>reviewboard, I want to inform about an upc
other chapters or sections that should really get updated, as the last complete
revision to the manual was for 4.6.x.
Thanks,
Jack Ostroff
Ah, I didn't notice you were using aqbanking. I know the ofxlog.txt
works for libofx. I don't know if aqbanking has an equivalent logging
mechanism, although you do seem to have gotten something. However, what
you post from ofxlog.txt is only what is being sent, and shows nothing
returned fr
gpgmepp. I'd love to
see this in 4.8.1, but I'll wait for one of the developers to give the "ship
it."
- Jack Ostroff
On Jan. 1, 2017, 11:19 p.m., Andreas Sturmlechner wrote:
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agree with Luigi.
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x27;t promise when, but will give KMM4 some testing on OSX/macOS. Thanks
> for implementing this!
>
> Jack Ostroff wrote:
> With gpgme 1.7.1, gpgmepp 16.04.3, and kdepimlibs 4.14.11_pre20160211_r2
> (Gentoo version) it fails to find gpgmepp. It says it considered but did n
x27;t promise when, but will give KMM4 some testing on OSX/macOS. Thanks
> for implementing this!
>
> Jack Ostroff wrote:
> With gpgme 1.7.1, gpgmepp 16.04.3, and kdepimlibs 4.14.11_pre20160211_r2
> (Gentoo version) it fails to find gpgmepp. It says it considered but did n
x27;t promise when, but will give KMM4 some testing on OSX/macOS. Thanks
> for implementing this!
>
> Jack Ostroff wrote:
> With gpgme 1.7.1, gpgmepp 16.04.3, and kdepimlibs 4.14.11_pre20160211_r2
> (Gentoo version) it fails to find gpgmepp. It says it considered but did n
> On Nov. 11, 2016, 8:38 p.m., Marko Käning wrote:
> > Cool, does this mean, that one won't need kdepimlibs anymore when building
> > KMM? :-)
>
> Andreas Sturmlechner wrote:
> Yes, please give it some testing ;)
>
> Marko Käning wrote:
> Can't promise when, but will give KMM4 some tes
Trying to build 4.8, if I set QT_SELECT=4, it does mainly pull in Qt4
stuff and not Qt5, but not completely. Something is still pulling in
some Qt5 stuff. CMakeCache.txt still includes:
CMakeCache.txt://The directory containing a CMake configuration file for
Qt5Core.
CMakeCache.txt:Qt5Core_
struct OfxTransactionData data,
> > void * pv)** where unhandled transaction types are already eliminated.
>
> Jack Ostroff wrote:
> Thomas: do any of the other import types use the concept of a requested
> start date for transactions? (I know csv does not, and have very
I think this is at least part of my problem trying to build from 4.8
branch on both my home Gentoo system and a VirtualBox Kubuntu 16.10. I
know I have enough of qt5 installed, as I have successfully compiled
from git head. I'm pretty sure I have enough of qt4 installed, but it
seems that the
I'm still not sure what the underlying issue is, but I do see some
things that smell suspicious to me. These comments are as I read
through the log.
gcc is 6.2.1. I have no idea if anyone else is using this recent a gcc.
I don't think it should be a problem, but there have certainly been
c
struct OfxTransactionData data,
> > void * pv)** where unhandled transaction types are already eliminated.
>
> Jack Ostroff wrote:
> Thomas: do any of the other import types use the concept of a requested
> start date for transactions? (I know csv does not, and have very
> On July 20, 2016, 5:55 a.m., Thomas Baumgart wrote:
> > Your patch in general seems OK if you only have OFX accounts. It will
> > interfere though with other online transaction downloads e.g. HBCI.
> >
> > Since the problem and the solution are very OFX specific, I suggest to move
> > the lo
On 4/17/2016 9:20 AM, Louis-Philippe Allard wrote:
Hello Christian, I will continue to reply for this ticket in the bug
ticket I opened on KDE bugtracker I am getting a bit confused with
the maillist and the bugtracker auto reply feature.. ;)
When there is a new comment posted to a bu
--- Comment #3 from allan ---
Out of interest, what is the distinction between the original term and the
proposed revision?
There are two separate bugs in question here. The first, about the
German translation, had a specific suggestion - to use a word that is
not specifically restricted in
I believe the underlying problem is that English is just sometimes a
messy language. In discussing investments, the word "share" seems to be
used in two slightly different ways. (I am referring to common usage,
not to a formal dictionary definition.) Sometimes it is used as an
equivalent wor
I also responded to the other bug to say that I believe the English
terms are OK as they are, although I will do more research to see if
there is anything to support that "share" does not apply as well to
bonds and mutual funds as to stocks.
I don't speak German, so I can only assume the bug i
As a native English speaker, I do not see a problem. To me, a "share"
is the unit of ownership of a security, whether it is a stock or bond or
mutual fund. The link provided shows a difference between stocks and
bonds, but is not explicit enough that "shares" does not also apply to
bonds. I
On 4/2/2016 3:06 PM, via KDE Bugzilla wrote:
Another thing, theres a "Equity" account with a sub-account named "Opening
balances". This was not there with KMM 4.6.2.. What is this account? Some
(4/6) of the errors left are related to this account... Knowing what it does
and its purpose will he
On 4/2/2016 1:14 PM, via KDE Bugzilla wrote:
Then I did another CC on the DB and this time it reported identical output but
at the bottom:
Finished: 0 problems corrected. 111 problems still present.
That is not really as bad as it looks. All those errors about account
opening dates are from re
On 2/20/2016 10:49 AM, john jefferis wrote:
I have just moved over to Linux Mint from Windows 10 and would like to
use kmymoney. I am currently using Bank Genie, which does not run on
Linux and I have several years of data I need to move. Bank Genie does
not have an export facility bt they su
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