On 23 May 2015 16:29, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com) wrote:
i hope we also update the server to reject e-mails to mailing lists that
include
html nonsense
-mike
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On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
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>> Am 23.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Rich Freeman :
>>
>> With Gmail I can have an email with 14 tags. Via IMAP it shows up as
>> if it were in 14 folders at the same time. It is a bit kludgy, but it
>> at least works.
> Thi
> Am 23.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Rich Freeman :
>
> With Gmail I can have an email with 14 tags. Via IMAP it shows up as
> if it were in 14 folders at the same time. It is a bit kludgy, but it
> at least works.
This is NOT part of a mail service - it is part of a mail client. There are
differe
> Am 23.05.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh
> :
>
> But Google doesn't make me change my email address every two years as I
> move, or as ISPs get bought out or go bust.
Think a bit about your own non-sense:
1.) gmail is much younger then many of really professional mail providers today.
On Sat, 23 May 2015 15:34:28 +0200
"Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)" wrote:
> > What I like about Gmail is that I can operate from the
> > browser, but still have access to my mail via IMAP if I need it, and
> > of course it has a really nice Android offline client (and an
> > offline html5 clien
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
wrote:
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>> Am 23.05.2015 um 15:07 schrieb Rich Freeman :
>>
>> Well, besides not being browser-based as far as I can tell, without
>> integration with the IMAP server those emails in multiple directories
>> won't show up in multiple
> Am 23.05.2015 um 15:07 schrieb Rich Freeman :
>
> Well, besides not being browser-based as far as I can tell, without
> integration with the IMAP server those emails in multiple directories
> won't show up in multiple directories when accessed from any other
> client.
This is a behavior of your
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>
> Sylpheed supports filters which allow you to have e-mails in
> multiple directories based on arbitrary user-defined filtering.
> It supports IMAP also, though I never use it as I prefer POP3 and
> SMTP.
>
Well, besides not being browser
On Sat, 23 May 2015 07:16:10 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:18 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>
> >>I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
> >>is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the lat
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:18 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>>I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
>>is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
>>that is). There is nothing magical about cloud
On Sat, 23 May 2015 13:24:11 +0700 C Bergström wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Rich,
> >
> > If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate Fastmail?
> >
> > They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the development
> > of the lat
On Sat, 23 May 2015 08:18:28 +0200
"J. Roeleveld" wrote:
> If you are thinking of a FOSS email provider. Maybe investigate
> Fastmail?
>
> They use postfix and cyrus. And they also handle a lot of the
> development of the latter.
>
> Not sure if they would fit in with the rest, but I would trus
> Am 23.05.2015 um 08:18 schrieb J. Roeleveld :
>
>> I'd REALLY like to see a FOSS alternative to Gmail (a good one, that
>> is), and ditto for Google docs (or whatever the latest branding for
>> that is). There is nothing magical about cloud-based services any more
>> than there is anything magi
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström
>>wrote:
>>> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
>>> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail.
On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman wrote:
>On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström
>wrote:
>> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
>> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
>> solution is to change email hosting providers. As a n
Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2015, 06:26:41 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around. It
> works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who
> isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list.
This is NOT true!
Our mail syste
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I find email an incredibly frustrating experience all-around. It
> works great as long as everybody doesn't use anybody for hosting who
> isn't in the top-10 provider list, and doesn't use a mailing list.
DMARC marks top-10 essentially creating their own walled email garden.
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
>
> The correct solution is to stop forwarding spam and the easiest way is
> just stopping forwarding. There are valid policy reasons for not going
> that route but continuing forwarding because it is too difficult to
> configure gmail is, well,
"Robin H. Johnson" writes:
> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail
> instead of delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Please no. Even Gmail has sometimes false positives. It is good enough
that Spamassassin marks mails and every user can set up rule either to
de
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 20:36:18 schrieb Robin H. Johnson:
> There are people that still accept mail that violates standards?
yes,
and there are mail sites and/or mail clients sending standard violating emails.
But the more truth is that there are many points within standards which are
interpret
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:47:31PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
> > time, not silently dropped.
>
> I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
> accept
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:27:12PM +0200, Charles Nérot wrote:
> Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
> dmarc... All of this for "trusting real sender".
> Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
DANE does nothing for spam, there are
On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
> time, not silently dropped.
>
I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
accepted initially (if I'm wrong, you can ignore the rest of this). This
is bette
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09:08PM +0200, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
> > As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
> > incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
> This is - for a public internet Mailer / MX - a VERY bad option - at least
> ma
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:39:13PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> Unconditional adjustment of free software infrastructure for very
> questionable rules of proprietary product is a very bad idea.
It's an ecosystem. If we do nothing, we continue to penalize all
developers who forward their mail to
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:31:51PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> >> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> >> delivering it. Speak now or hold y
On 05/11/2015 03:35 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>
> Could it be an alternative to move the messages flagged as spam into
> an own folder that isn't forwarded? at least that means it doesn't
> impact operations for those using it locally and the mail is still
> around, if a webmail interface o
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On 05/11/2015 09:31 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson
>> wrote:
>>> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail
>>> instead of del
On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
>> delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
>
> Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that.
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström
> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>>> wrote:
What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gm
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it rig
Dnia 2015-05-11, o godz. 17:20:01
Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a):
> On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > You should probably think about the difference between public code
> > being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to private
> > emails.
>
> Like your
On Mon, 11 May 2015 17:20:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > You should probably think about the difference between public code
> > being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to
> > private emails.
>
> Like your phon
Look at the forwarding which is already happening. They are already
giving that big company the emails. That big company gets a copy of
every email which is posted publicly already.
Are you concerned about their privacy policy? Are you concerned about
them complying to a government demand or ads..
On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in f
On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> You should probably think about the difference between public code
> being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to private
> emails.
Like your phone company, ISP, and national intelligence agencies?
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Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 11 May 2015 22:21:09 +0700
C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman
> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
> > wrote:
> >> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
> >> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
> wrote:
>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>>
>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP,
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>
> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
> want to enabled it) and lots o
What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
It used to be free, but now google cha
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
> solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
> believe Google hosted apps would be an opt
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free). Then it would be
possible to simply leverage that
Hello,
Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
dmarc... All of this for "trusting real sender".
Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
If you beleive in spf (gentoo.org have an spf dns entry) , two ways need
to be looked at :
- fixi
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 15:39:13 schrieb Andrew Savchenko:
> Mail filtering is a minefield: too much spam is bad, loosing
> even single important e-mail due to over restrictive filter is even
> worse.
This is true, as far as you go over standard compliance checks and unserstand
standard violating
Hi,
On Mon, 11 May 2015 04:26:01 + Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
> incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
>
> All deletion decisions were left to developers, via procmail/sieve/etc.
>
> This w
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 04:26:01 schrieb Robin H. Johnson:
> This was a good early policy, as Gentoo was a much more reliable host than
> email providers a decade ago. This isn't true anymore, with the meteoric
> rise
> and success of gmail.
This is not true at all - but email service "reliability
On 11/05/15 05:26, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Unless there are any major objections, as of May 17th, Infra will start
> dropping mail that scores more than 10.0 points in Spamassassin.
This is excellent, as I will then finally be able to forward my Gentoo
alias to the work e-mail server. Like GMail
Hi!
On Mon, 11 May 2015, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> > delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
>
> Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done t
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that. However,
dropping mail is never a good idea. You
TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Hi all,
As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
All deletion decisions we
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