On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström <cbergst...@pathscale.com> > wrote: >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: >>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström <cbergst...@pathscale.com> >>> wrote: >>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has >>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact. >>>> >>>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you >>>> want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc >>> >>> How about the source code? >> >> Do you have the source for github? >> > > That would be why I point out that we have debates over its use. > Right now we're accepting it mainly because it is an alternative. I > suspect there would be more concern if it were proposed that we move > to it exclusively. > >> >> There are "free" alternatives and this is the exact same thing as >> github. IMAP and POP are comparable to git as google hosted apps is >> comparable to github. > > I think that is actually your best line of argument. They're just a > black box that accepts SMTP and makes available POP, and that is all > Gentoo uses. They just happen to offer an MUA on the side, which g.o > devs/staff can use at their discretion. > > I'm not convinced it is the way to go, all the same. > >> There's a line between being passionate and >> ignoring a sensible good alternative. I can't say where to draw that >> line, but imho I hope pragmatic people will take a look instead of >> just dismissing it. >> > > I have nothing against Gmail and I'm composing this email using it. > Even so, unless we were simply unable to host our own mail, I'm not > sure I'd advocate moving g.o over to Google apps. > > That doesn't mean I'm not willing to be pragmatic. I just think that > making a change like this really should be done only out of necessity. > There are other Gentoo services that I'd sooner see go than email. > >> Oh and btw - the whole problem comes because people are forwarding to >> gmail. Is that open source? It's clear a large number of people >> already use and depend on the exact same service I'm suggesting. How >> on earth could those same people object... (I don't see the open >> source communit up in arms over yahoo mail and gmail..) > > I can use Gmail personally and still object to forcing everybody else > to use it. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all. > >> Do you own a phone that connects to this email? Android, iOS.. etc >> aren't "open source", but somehow we survive.. > > Android is more or less open-source. There are some blobs in it, but > not all that much more than you'd find on a typical PC running Gentoo. > But again, Gentoo doesn't provide cell phones or require that anybody > own one. If somebody wants to read dev.g.o on their iPhone, I don't > have a problem with that. If we were to force anybody who wanted to > subscribe to dev.g.o to own an iPhone I would have a problem with > that.
Android is much less open than people think or want to believe. Entirely besides that point - I hope this could be proposed and at least looked at as an option. I have ran a postfix setup with graylisting and spam filtering. It's quite a bit of maintenance to ensure it's done in a high quality manner. The time/cost/energy in that vs something which "just works" is hard to pass up. I realize philosophies and religions differ - I respect your view and hope a good solution is found in the end. If not now - I suspect at some point gentoo will relinquish their email to a service provider..
