On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström <cbergst...@pathscale.com> >> wrote: >>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has >>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact. >>> >>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you >>> want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc >> >> How about the source code? > > Do you have the source for github? No, but we get flack for that all the time, I'd personally like to see us use bitbucket as they have a more opensource and doc'd stack. > >> >>> >>> It used to be free, but now google charges for it with an exception >>> for non-profits. >> >> The social contract isn't about free-of-cost. In fact, Gentoo pays >> for a number of services (often below commercial rates, but not >> everybody can afford to donate 100% of what we need). We've even paid >> for a bug bounty on one occasion. The social contract is about >> free-as-in-freedom. We don't depend on proprietary services as much >> as possible. >> >> We even have debates over the use of github, since the pull request >> side isn't really FOSS. It is tolerated mainly because we have FOSS >> alternatives as well, and bugzilla is still the primary bug >> tracker/etc. To the extent that github is just used as a hosting >> provider for git it is completely compatible with the social contract, >> and would be so even if we were paying for it. > > There are "free" alternatives and this is the exact same thing as > github. IMAP and POP are comparable to git as google hosted apps is > comparable to github. There's a line between being passionate and > ignoring a sensible good alternative. I can't say where to draw that > line, but imho I hope pragmatic people will take a look instead of > just dismissing it. > > Oh and btw - the whole problem comes because people are forwarding to > gmail. Is that open source? It's clear a large number of people > already use and depend on the exact same service I'm suggesting. How > on earth could those same people object... (I don't see the open > source communit up in arms over yahoo mail and gmail..) > > /* I'm just trying to level the conversation in terms of "social > contract" and what people generally find acceptable */ > Do you own a phone that connects to this email? Android, iOS.. etc > aren't "open source", but somehow we survive.. >
-- -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)
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