Hi Rich,
Thanks for the proposal. The project’s recent progress and alignment with ASF
values are clear. I support moving forward to a vote.
One suggestion: Can teh project consider ways to help other projects discover
and contribute to the training materials?
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practice or to explore more scenarios.
I’ve also created a new learning module featuring podling scenarios designed
specifically for mentors. You can self-enrol in that module here:
https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/GXPFY3
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e donation into an existing codebase. Any code that was developed outside
of the ASF SVN repository and our public mailing lists must be processed like
this, even if the external developer is already an ASF committer."
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HI,
> I created an account, but Instructure tells me I do not have access to view
> the resource.
Sorry about that, try this URL instead to self-enrol in the course.
https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/JHL8BM.
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thout requiring agreement to third-party terms and
conditions
- Higher signal-to-noise ratio compared to real-time chat
We also have individuals who, for one reason or another, are unable to use or
do not use Slack or GitHub.
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approximately 40 questions.
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1.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Best+Practices+for+Mentors
2. https://canvas.instructure.com/courses/12478245
on/d/1O30sTU2ph2t_pl6N9WPcqYVHD0NfA50tW-hPhR96g30/edit?usp=sharing
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1. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Mentor+Onboarding
most important contributions to the ASF, and we appreciate
everything you’ve done to help your project succeed.
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On behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC
1. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Mentor+Onboarding
2.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence
HI,
In general, a podling should use org.apache.Foo package names, but we have made
exceptions in the past for projects that were already in use and where the
change would greatly impact their user community.
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he incubator. Perhaps, raise a legal JIRA for this?
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ten as many as can be
practically obtained). It is necessary so that we can verify that all the code
can be imported into an ASF codebase and that we have permission to use and
distribute it.
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First, compile a list and verify who we have ICLAs for, as you note, all
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> reqsign is primarily developed by me, and I'm the sole committer for this
> project. I have already signed the ICLA. Do I need to sign another one for
> this?
No additional ICLA is required from you. GitHub lists other contributors to
this project. [1]
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still own the IP.
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Hi Willem,
Do you need a hand with the first steps? As I can see the project is not in
LDAP yep.
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them.
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Apache Incubator PMC
.
Thanks again for your support.
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Apache Incubator PMC
.
Thanks again for your support.
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Apache Incubator PMC
ve worked with before, so sharing mentors’ knowledge
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opportunities to mentor a new
mentor.”
Which got me thinking about a simple offboarding process for mentors to help
other mentors. [1] What do people think?
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1. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/VYoUFg
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Hi,
I started working on a Mentor FAQ several years ago, and for one reason or
another it didn’t get completed. I’ve done some more work on it today and
renamed it "Best Practices for Mentors” [1] - feedback and edits are welcome.
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1. https://cwiki.apache.org/conflue
Hi,
I’ve put together a mentor onboarding document that can be found here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/1IkUFg
This is a draft and it probably misisng things and can be improved. Feedback
and edits welcome.
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ncubating
project.
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Hi,
So far we are still misisng:
- Annotator
- Baremaps
- Grails
- Iggy
- KIE
- Nemo
- Otava
- Pony Mail
- PouchDB
- Teaclave
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mitters are from the Ant Group, that is not an issue, but it does mean more
work will need to be done during Incubation to make a more diverse PMC.
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those 6 people, 3 are not listed as contributors in GitHub
- The top contributor in GitHub is not an initial committer
It would also be nice to know who all of the initial commitors work for.
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A previous discussion on this said that ICLAs were required for 3 people [1]
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1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/f3zj445thvm4btrf4jxdho0ojh1zm4wb
that time". They
> used a similar process for a prior donation:
> https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/arrow-gandiva.html
I’m not sure that is the same. That states all contributors have signed a CLA.
The pull request also mentions ICLAs. [1]
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1. https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/2558
-2022 Dremio Corporation”. It does seem to be Apache
licensed from November 2021 (oddly with ASF headers), but before that, it had
no license.
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> Yes, Laurent Goujon stated to me they were all employed by Dremio at the time
> (*possibly as contractors, from what I understand).
Contractors may retain IP rights, it is for instance, the default under
Australian law. Do we have anything more than that to go on?
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ee that. I can see the #1 contributor worked
for Dremio, but I don’t think the
#2 major contributor has. (They may have, but I can’t find that info.)
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> A few files you mention are not pure code copied, it's probably inspired but
> not full copy.
Other files were "inspired by” or changed significantly or were simple, so I
didn't list them. For those files, it was between 60% and 95% copied.
s are incorrect as they do not
abide by the terms of some 3rd party license, which generally state you need to
include the full text of the license in the distribution.
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(including for ASF dependencies)
No, that's not my preference. You need to include only what is needed. Each ASF
NOTICE still needs to be looked at to see what needs to be included, as it may
contain other notices.
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1. https://infra.apache.org/licensing-howto.html
censing and may, for
instance, say a package is Apache licensed when it contains Category X licensed
code. Code from OpenJDK is not Apache licensed. I did not look into the exact
details here, but it would be best to check if any OpenJDK ends up in the
source or binary.
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tions of this project.
>
> We use binary distribution of picocli (not source distribution): it's
> the jar we bundle in Polaris admin distribution.
If they are in the source distributions, they would be in the binary as well
right? How does having a GPL dependency and distribution th
release
contains GPL-licensed source code. Do we know what is going on here?
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1. gradle/wrapper/gradle-wrapper.properties
2. server-templates/*.mustache
3. site/layouts/community/list.html
4. site/layouts/docs/baseof.html
5. site/layouts/partials/community_links.html
6. site
Hi,
The vote passes with 19 +1 IPMC votes and no -1 votes.
+1 IPMC votes:
Justin Mclean
Paul King
Calvin Kirs
Nicholas Jiang
Furkan Kamaci
Charles Zhang
Yonik Seeley
Shao Feng Shi
Kent Yao
Xun Liu
Jerry Shao
PJ Fanning
Ayush Saxena
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Junping Du
Xin Wang
Wei-Chiu Chuang
Yu Xiao
you?
It would be good to note in that report if you’re having trouble setting
anything up, are you getting help from your mentors, etc etc
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HI,
Podling reports are due today, and we are still missing:
- annotator
- cloudberry
- devlake
- fury
- hamilton
- horaedb
- iggy
- ponymail
- pouchdb
- resilientdb
- seata
- texera
- training
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urity model can be found here:
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I'm +1 (binding) to the project graduating.
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Hi,
I’ve created a draft proposal here [1] to graduate at the next board meeting,
and if there are no other comments, I’ll start a vote in the next couple of
days.
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1. https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2025-05-21/Establish-Gravitino
Hi,
The votes passes with 3 +1 binding IPMC votes and no -1 votes.
Binding +1 votes include:
- Justin Mclean
- Shaofeng Shi
- Jerry Shao
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s identical to the
above.
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provide any further information.
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(Gravitino Mentor)
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Release this as Apache Gravitino 0.8.1-incubating
[ ] +0
[ ] -1 Do not release this because…
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1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/7cdvg1ys6fopp57sxqxp5qtrr0px0y52
2. https://lists.apache.org/thread/8dsvj6lcgs0chf1ghknhd7sdwrz0vcfh
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don’t have to do it.
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ight owners. Without
documentation of that, it may be a little difficult to accept the project into
the Incubator.
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1.
https://github.com/OpenClovis/SAFplus-Availability-Scalability-Platform/graphs/contributors
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As PJ said, we also need to know if they signed
CLAs or not.
If someone contributed, and the CLA doesn’t transfer the copyright, then we
would need to ask them if they are OK with this license change happening to
their code.
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r ASF products,
only the relevant portions need to be included, see [2].
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1. https://infra.apache.org/licensing-howto.html#bundle-asf-product
2. https://infra.apache.org/licensing-howto.html#alv2-dep
conversation at a conference, where
I can explain in more detail how the ASF and Incubator work.
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Hi,
The distribution page [1] exists because it was approved by a previous board,
and projects needed more guidance than was in the current distribution policy.
[2]
I woudl be fine with teh content at [1] being moved to [2].
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1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides
new there is something about KEYS, closer.lua, I can't find them.
The Incubator needs that policy page as it has a policy that is different from
that of TLPs. i.e. Having incubating in the name, use of disclaimers and the
use of non-ASF releases.
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ersation here.
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1. https://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#marketing
2. https://lists.apache.org/thread/2vt9cb20nsvqqtt22b9yg6bp2ojxlvoz
k in progress.
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“TB50. The project and third parties do not refer to anyone as “the
creator/founder of Apache Foo”. with a link to the policy. What do people think?
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1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/2vt9cb20nsvqqtt22b9yg6bp2ojxlvoz
2. https://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#marketing
3.
Hi,
Teaclave have confirmed they are working toward graduation.
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Given they have missing reports, I'll take a role call and see where that puts
us.
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Given they have missing reports, I'll take a role call and see where that puts
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Hi,
So far, I've had no repose from:
- Toree
- Annotator
- Livy
- NLPCraft
Can the mentors of these projects please prompt them to respond.
Considering retirement:
- Nemo
Moving forward towards graduation:
- Training
- Pegasus
- Wayang
I'm unsure about Teaclave.
Kind Regar
possible retirement
Training 2019 - will graduate waiting on name search
Teaclave 2019
NLPCraft 2020
Pegasus 2020 - re-focusing on graduation
Wayang 2020
For Pony Mail (2016) - I sent an email to this list to discuss what to do.
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ction.
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Hi,
I also note that a couple of incubating projects have done this because they
thought the name might not be accepted. [1][2] In short, nothing is stopping
new incubating projects from already doing this.
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Justin
1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228
2
Hi,
While I have nothing against this idea, podlings rarely get security reports,
and most never get them. Even if it occurred a few times a year, do we want to
task all podlings this?
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> On 19 Mar 2025, at 2:07 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
> PJ Fanning wrote on
Hi,
One thing, well two, actually. I didn’t see in the document if the name is a
registered trademark, and will OpenClovis keep using SAFplus to refer to other
products?
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One thing, well two, actually. I didn’t see in the document if the name is a
registered trademark, and will OpenClovis keep using SAFplus to refer to other
products?
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without discussion, like the second proposal, is not how things are done
in ASF projects.
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> On 12 Mar 2025, at 7:48 AM, Paolo Bizzarri wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> this is Paolo Bizzarri. I am part of the Apache Kie project.
>
> I am looking for clarificatio
Hi,
>> Both Baremaps and Uniffle are in group 3, so they need to report yes.
No need to report to the Incubator but you'll need to report to the board. New
TLP report monthly for 3 months to the board.
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Both Baremaps and Uniffle are in group 3, so they need to report yes.
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here [1] is also correct (with the possible exception of ResilientDB).
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This email was generated by a script. I assume that some data the script relies
on has not been updated.
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> On 3 Mar 2025, at 2:22 PM, jmcl...@apache.org wrote:
>
> Dates for next board report:
> Wed March 05 - Podling reports due by end of day
> Sun March 09 - S
needs to change after we become an
> ASF project. However, can we still keep the current license for our current
> or future customers? Is this ok?
Only for previous software versions released before you joined the Incubator.
All future versions must be
Hi,
Three people is quite a low number for the initial committer list - are there
not more people you can invite?
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doesn't contain the
correct text for either disclaimer.
Niote, if it was meant to be a disclaimer and not a work in progress
disclaimer, I would still vote -1 on it due to NOTICE issues.
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1. https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers
(http://www.apache.org/).” lines can be removed.
- all files have ASF headers
- no unexpected binary files
- I did not build from sourse
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[1]
- ASF files have headers
- no unexpected binary files
- can compile from source
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1. https://github.com/projectnessie/nessie/blob/main/NOTICE
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y updating the board Meeting Agenda [2]?
>
> [2]
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/board/board_agenda_2025_02_19.txt
That is the latest board report, and no incubator report have been submitted
yet.
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to SVN. When that happens, it becomes part of the larger board report.
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> - All requirements like "Please note that some lines have two spaces at the
> end. Do not remove these spaces." will be relaxed.
Please do not change this, markdown requires it.
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1. https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/board/
Hi,
Thanks for doing that PJ, I’ve updated the formatting and corrected the podling
list that need to report this month and sent out the notification emails.
You can access the step needed by running “report_runbook.py”.
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Hi,
> OK, thanks for the prompt reminder, I will avoid including jar files with
> license type X in my distributions.
You need to do more than that, you can’t have them as a dependency.
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Please don't use ChatGPT or similar to respond to emails.
Re your points:
1. Doesn’t answer the question I asked.
2. Please talk to Infra about the size of the file, they may be able to help.
4. This doesn’t solve the issue, and it is still an issue.
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reference, I understand that this is allowed
> to be released.
No that is not usually allowed. ASF project cannot have a dependency with a
Category X license. [1] It’s only Ok if it is optional and not distributed. [2]
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1. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#proh
sense of the word, i.e. that the majority of users
would not use it and need to install it themselves. Has thd project checked the
license of all their dependencies? As it looks like there are a couple of
Category X dependencies from a quick glance Elasticsearch and MariaDB
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Hi,
There is no requirement for including “Apache" in an artifact release name
(see, for example [1]). Including it might be a good idea as it might provide
some legal protection.
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Justin
1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/distribution.html
Hi,
+1 (binding) jmclean carried over from dev list.
There were a couple of very minor issues that GitHub issues have been opened.
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Hi,
> Don’t you mean SGA (and not CCLA)?
We would also require an SGA. DAGWorks may want to submit a CCLA, but you are
correct in that we don’t require one.
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, you don’t need to get all CLAs before joining the Incubator, but you
would need them before moving the repos. [1]
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1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transitioning_asf.html
ense guidance is applied to the document
> generation tool and generated documents, not only software itself.
Using something under a different license would be best, but it might be OK if
not in a release.
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d grep.
find . -type f -exec grep -i "$1" {} \; -print
For example: search “copyright” | sort -u will find all copyright lines, which
may help to check the contents of the LICENSE file.
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