Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

According to : Red Hat has become aware that the patch for CVE-2014-6271 is incomplete. An attacker can provide specially-crafted environment variables containing arbitrary commands that will be executed on vulnera

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 04:25:58PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Mailing list: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org > > You should be subscribed. I'd just like to re-iterate this. *EVERY* debian user should subscribe to that list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:22:05AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Reco wrote: > > You're wrong here. Cgroups are just glorified Linux-specific shell > > limits. There's nothing in them that requires usage of s*stemd or dbus. > > I think you are saying that there is an

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd

On Jo, 25 sep 14, 14:28:19, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: > I hope you all can realize how much I do NOT want to open yet again another > issue on #NotSystemd topic. No. > Seeing that the issue is still going on and on for almost from the moment > Debian decided to use systemd, and also considering th

Allow user to execute "repquota -g /"

Hello, I need to allow an user to execute "repquota -g /" from a script without superuser permissions on debian Wheezy. The user cannot access to the file //aquota.group so I tried to create a group "quotarep" but the root cannot chown the file: ## chown root:quotarep //

Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

Hello everyone, I see that the Shellshock exploit has been fixed on Wheezy, but I've tried running apt-get update/upgrade on my Jessie system and the vulnerability still appears to be there. Has it been fixed or am I doing something wrong? My sources.list file has deb http://security.debian.org/

Re: Allow user to execute "repquota -g /"

You can use sudo, just set /etc/sudoers (editable by command visudo) to allow that user(s) run this command as root. Ondřej Flídr Server Ninja BrandEmbassy Ltd. www.brandembassy.com On 25.9.2014 12:03, Luigi Cirillo wrote: Hello, I need to allow an user to execute "repquota -g /" from a script

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

also sprach lee [2014-09-25 01:45 +0200]: > Just one day they might wake up and find out that it was a very > bad idea to depend on systemd, and then it'll be difficult to do > without. That day was yesterday. I'll let Paul Venezia echo almost all of my thoughts verbatim: http://www.infoworld

Re: Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 11:48:28 +0200, Paul Anzel wrote: > I see that the Shellshock exploit has been fixed on Wheezy, but I've > tried running apt-get update/upgrade on my Jessie system and the > vulnerability still appears to be there. Has it been fixed or am I doing > something wrong? https://l

Re: Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:48:28 +0200 Paul Anzel wrote: Hello Paul, >vulnerability still appears to be there. Has it been fixed or am I doing >something wrong? AIUI, testing doesn't get security updates. Things migrate from unstable after a few days. With security issues it can be as little as (

Messages from starting services while booting

Hello, I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. Can somebody explain me how this works? I have the idea that I don't see messages on fast machines. And can I control this? On some servers I like to see th

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014/09/25 9:15 "lee" : > > Joel Rees writes: > > >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:16 AM, lee wrote: > >> > >> I could guess that implicit linkage might refer to side effects of > >> intentional entanglement which may be undesirable or may occur without > >> being noticed (until a problem shows up wh

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

Hello This weakness than is sufficient to protect them do as follows. apt-get update and apt-get install --only-package bash On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > According to > : > Red Hat h

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On 9/25/14, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Hello, > > I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting > services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. > > Can somebody explain me how this works? I have the idea that I don't see > messages on fast machines. > > And

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

Hello Cindy-Sue, op 25-09-14 15:08, Cindy-Sue Causey schreef: > On 9/25/14, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting >> services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. >> >> Can somebody explain me how this works?

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee: > >> Martin Steigerwald writes: > >> > >> Do you really think they will be able to prevent all the other > >> software from depending on a particular ini

Cognitively friendly systemd components graphic

Am calling this a "cognitive friendly" systemd graphic because it is for me: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Systemd_components.svg It and any similar I find soon will be what I primarily lean on to follow conversations here because the words alone don't always gel. With a topic of the mag

'motion' does not save movies, only still pics

I tested 'motion' on Wheezy yesterday. It detects motion and takes still shots, but it is not creating movies out of the still shots. I have set: # Use ffmpeg to encode mpeg movies in realtime (default: off) ffmpeg_cap_new on and # Gap is the seconds of no motion detection that triggers the

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On Thursday 25 September 2014 14:46:56 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > If it at one time it is only systemd ranting here on this list, I am free > to unsubcribe myself from it, to save myself the hassle to even receive > this negativity into my mailbox. That would be sad. Try blacklisting first. It

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On 2014-09-25 13:04 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting > services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. > > Can somebody explain me how this works? I have the idea that I don't see > messages on fast machines. Are

Re: Let's have a vote!

- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > > On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) > Rob Owens wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "The Wanderer" > > > > > > On 09/22/2014 at 06:54 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > > > > Those are votes for Debian, but not for syste

Re: security camera software

On 24/09/14 23:43, Rob Owens wrote: > I need to set up a couple usb cameras to record video based on motion > detection. I prefer ease of setup to a large feature set, since this > is expected to be only temporary. I want to only record when there > is motion, so I don't have hours of footage to

Re: Let's have a vote!

Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens napísal: > - Original Message - > > From: "Steve Litt" > > > > On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "The Wanderer" > > > > > > > > On 09/22/2014 a

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

And the answer is no! Of course. The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit of the user. (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard proprietary copyright regime) We are t

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On 25/09/14 12:09, martin f krafft wrote: But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we declared next year the Year of Linux of the Desktop and forgot that the Universal Operating System should also cater to non-desktops. Exactly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Let's have a vote!

On 25/09/14 15:42, Rob Owens wrote: I agree that "let's wait until we have a good init to move to" should have been more seriously considered, but for some reason people were in a big hurry to make a move. The vote held was "What should the default init system *in jessie* be?". Given that as

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/24/2014 at 04:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted > Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271) > > https://access.redhat.com/articles/1200223 > > My current Debian setup is vulnerab

Re: Re: Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

Okay, got it. Any precautions I should take in the meantime? I have the "bash -> dash" thing already, but the string test still marks me as vulnerable. Thanks, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@list

Re: Let's have a vote!

- Original Message - > From: "Martin Read" > > On 25/09/14 15:42, Rob Owens wrote: > > I agree that "let's wait until we have a good init to move to" should have > > been more seriously considered, but for some reason people were in a big > > hurry to make a move. > > The vote held was "

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:04:59 +0200 Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Hello, > > I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting > services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. > > Can somebody explain me how this works? I have the idea that I don't > see messages

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:09:52 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 25/09/14 15:42, Rob Owens wrote: > > I agree that "let's wait until we have a good init to move to" > > should have been more seriously considered, but for some reason > > people were in a big hurry to make a move. > > The vote held was

Re: security camera software

- Original Message - > From: "Scott Ferguson" > > I've been using motion for a few years and highly recommend it. > Lightweight[*1], simple, and reliable. > > Minimal configuration required (snapshot mode):- > Point your camera at the zone to be monitored. > Take a picture. > Edit the pi

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:46:56 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee: > > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > > Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee: > > >> Martin Steigerwald writes: > > >> > > >> Do you really think they will be abl

Re: Let's have a vote!

On 25/09/14 16:40, Steve Litt wrote: "Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep sysvinit" is a lot different than "let's keep sysvinit (indefinitely)". Voting "let's keep sysvinit *in jessie*" says *exactly nothing* about the init system in jessie+1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: 'motion' does not save movies, only still pics

On 9/25/14, 7:12 AM, "Rob Owens" wrote: >I tested 'motion' on Wheezy yesterday. It detects motion and takes still >shots, but it is not creating movies out of the still shots. > >I have set: > ># Use ffmpeg to encode mpeg movies in realtime (default: off) >ffmpeg_cap_new on > >and > ># Gap is th

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:55:29 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 25/09/14 16:40, Steve Litt wrote: > > "Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep > > sysvinit" is a lot different than "let's keep sysvinit > > (indefinitely)". > > Voting "let's keep sysvinit *in jessie*" says *exactly

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

op 25-09-14 17:30, Steve Litt schreef: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:04:59 +0200 > Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting >> services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. >> >> Can somebody explain me how this wo

Re: 'motion' does not save movies, only still pics

On 9/25/14, Rob Owens wrote: > I tested 'motion' on Wheezy yesterday. It detects motion and takes still > shots, but it is not creating movies out of the still shots. > > I have set: > > # Use ffmpeg to encode mpeg movies in realtime (default: off) > ffmpeg_cap_new on > > and > > # Gap is the sec

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

op 25-09-14 16:41, Sven Joachim schreef: > On 2014-09-25 13:04 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from starting >> services while booting, and on some machines I don't see them. >> >> Can somebody explain me how this works? I have the idea t

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

Am 25.09.2014 um 17:30 schrieb Steve Litt: > Disable lightdm and you'll start seeing the messages. The right way is > to put an exit command early in the lightdm config file. The easy way That's actually entirely the wrong way to disable a (SysV) init script. Please use invoke-rc.d lightdm disabl

About dependency creep (was: Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream)

Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 12:09:20 schrieb martin f krafft: > also sprach lee [2014-09-25 01:45 +0200]: > > Just one day they might wake up and find out that it was a very > > bad idea to depend on systemd, and then it'll be difficult to do > > without. > > That day was yesterday. I'll l

Re: 'motion' does not save movies, only still pics

- Original Message - > From: "Cindy-Sue Causey" > > I can't help you with "motion" but I had a thought as I was reading > your predicament.. OpenShot will produce an mpeg video output of > multiple images if you find yourself up against a deadline or > something and need an alternative. >

Re: 'motion' does not save movies, only still pics

- Original Message - > From: "Bob McGowan" > > On 9/25/14, 7:12 AM, "Rob Owens" wrote: > > >I tested 'motion' on Wheezy yesterday. It detects motion and takes still > >shots, but it is not creating movies out of the still shots. > > > >I have set: > > > ># Use ffmpeg to encode mpeg mov

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message. I posted the message found here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01834.html It was deleted twice and then: You have been *permanently* banned from this board. Please contact the Board Administrator for

XFCE4 screen resolution stuck too low

In XFCE4, on Jessie, I am getting a display resolution of 1400x1050 instead of 1680x1050. If I go to the XFCE Menu -> Settings -> Display, it gives me only a single choice, that of 1400x1050, not higher or lower. xrandr seems to be able to see the maximum resolution: $ xrandr xrandr: Failed t

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream (fraud)

The debian developers did NOT select systemd. 4 people decided on systemd in a technical committee, a split decision, which happened to be decided by a vote from a chairman. There was no general resolution. Bringing this non technical issue to the technical committee in the first place was an abuse

scim does not work in chromium, firefox, and midori

On one of my machines scim does not work in chromium, firefox, and midori. Hitting CTRL+SPACE does nothing. It works in abiword, xterm and emacs though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.or

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:08:42 +0200 Paul van der Vlis wrote: > op 25-09-14 17:30, Steve Litt schreef: > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:04:59 +0200 > > Paul van der Vlis wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from > >> starting services while booting, an

Re: XFCE4 screen resolution stuck too low

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:08:54 +0300 Lars Noodén wrote: > In XFCE4, on Jessie, I am getting a display resolution of 1400x1050 > instead of 1680x1050. If I go to the XFCE Menu -> Settings -> > Display, it gives me only a single choice, that of 1400x1050, not > higher or lower. > > xrandr seems to

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

op 25-09-14 19:20, Steve Litt schreef: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:08:42 +0200 > Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> op 25-09-14 17:30, Steve Litt schreef: >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:04:59 +0200 >>> Paul van der Vlis wrote: >>> Hello, I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages

Re: XFCE4 screen resolution stuck too low

On 09/25/2014 08:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: First, how confident are you that this is *only* in Xfce, and not in LXDE and Openbox and who knows what other window managers? Perhaps it's an X thing, plain and simple. There are still some configuration options I have missed that are needed to try L

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

By default I have seemingly assumed sysadmin duties for a host running Debian 6.0.7 (squeeze). So (not having done a lot of this before) ... 1) the system bash is vulnerable > env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" vulnerable this is a test 2) bash is version 4.1.5 h

Re: DNS Resolution and Short Names with Dots

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:30:43AM -0400, Mark Kamichoff wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 08:55:51AM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > > Perhaps one of the recent libc upgrades have changed the default for > > 'ndots' ? > > > > If so, according to a quick scan of the resolv.conf(5) manual page you

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 13:59:40 -0400, Joe Loiacono wrote: > By default I have seemingly assumed sysadmin duties for a host running > Debian 6.0.7 (squeeze). So (not having done a lot of this before) ... https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 13:59:40 Joe Loiacono wrote: > By default I have seemingly assumed sysadmin duties for a host running > Debian 6.0.7 (squeeze). So (not having done a lot of this before) ... > > > 1) the system bash is vulnerable > > > env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "

Re: Let's have a vote!

But still, since systemd was the default, a tendency in choosing the default plays such a major role that you may even not realize. A systematic research involving default effect is here: Isaac Dinner et. al., 2011, Partitioning Default Effects: Why People Choose Not to Choose, J of Experimental Ps

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

So what you mean, is the decision was a result of "coup", and do not believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? 祝好， He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all else* from you (an

Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271)

Brian wrote on 09/25/2014 02:08:15 PM: > From: Brian > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: 09/25/2014 02:08 PM > Subject: Re: Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted > Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271) > > On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 13:59:40 -0400, Joe Loiacono wrote: > > >

Re: Re: Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 17:07:02 +0200, Paul Anzel wrote: > Okay, got it. > > Any precautions I should take in the meantime? I have the "bash -> dash" > thing already, but the string test still marks me as vulnerable. It's probably in Jessie by now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ.

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 07:52:33AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote: > And the answer is no! > Of course. > > The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit > of the user. > (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: > the developers rights a

Re: Re: Re: Has the Bash vulnerability been fixed on Jessie yet?

Indeed it is. Thanks for the notice! Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5424632d.1070...@caltech.edu

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

Hörmetjan Yiltiz writes: > So what you mean, is the decision was a result of "coup", and do not > believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active > Debian users in this list ask for it? No, the decision was not the result of a "coup" and yes, a GR could overturn it. Since th

chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

Hello, is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch i386? (unstable/sid) (if need to be built it is ok if there's a debian/rules) The cpu is an amd64 (with sse2 support) but I've the system installed as i386. Thanks in advance Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

On Thu, 9/25/14, Gregory Smith wrote: Subject: Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message. To: "row...@ptd.net" Cc: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014, 11:51 AM I was just banned from debian forum for

Re: chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

On 2014-09-25 21:10 +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: > Hello, > > is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch > i386? (unstable/sid) > (if need to be built it is ok if there's a debian/rules) Since the package FTBFS on the buildd, your only chance is to build from source. Whic

Re: chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:33:50PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-09-25 21:10 +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch > > i386? (unstable/sid) > > (if need to be built it is ok if there's a debian/rules) > > Since

Re: Cognitively friendly systemd components graphic

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Am calling this a "cognitive friendly" systemd graphic because it is for me: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Systemd_components.svg > > It and any similar I find soon will be what I primarily lean on to > follow conver

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:51:38AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote: > I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message. > > I posted the message found here: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01834.html > > It was deleted twice and then: > > You have been *per

Re: chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:33:50PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2014-09-25 21:10 +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch >>> i386? (unstable/sid) >>> (if need to be built it is ok if there's a debian/rules) >> Since t

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: > even after 2/3 of active > Debian users in this list ask for it? They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:27:30, Joel Rees wrote: > > There is always that possibility. It's one of the reasons for the old > adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Deb

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

Your posts were massively over the top, so I not surprised you got banned. Thanks for flagging up that debian forum, it's gone beneath my radar up to now! On 25 September 2014 20:46, Stephen Allen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:51:38AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote: > > I was just banned from

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On Jo, 25 sep 14, 18:30:53, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 25.09.2014 um 17:30 schrieb Steve Litt: > > Disable lightdm and you'll start seeing the messages. The right way is > > to put an exit command early in the lightdm config file. The easy way > > That's actually entirely the wrong way to disable a

Systemd resources

Hi, I'm really cynical about the Systemd concept, but if it looks like it's happening anyway, could we start making a list of recommended tutorials on using it. It would help if people recommending the tutorials had successfully followed them themselves. Yes, I could use Google, but it's a bit lac

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 23:46:15 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 25 sep 14, 18:30:53, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 25.09.2014 um 17:30 schrieb Steve Litt: > > > Disable lightdm and you'll start seeing the messages. The right way is > > > to put an exit command early in the lightdm config file.

Re: chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 04:17:54PM -0400, Bob Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:33:50PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> On 2014-09-25 21:10 +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch > >>> i386? (unstable/sid

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of a "Club". It is not a for-profit with Corporate Responsibilities towards

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:01:30, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: > > even after 2/3 of active > > Debian users in this list ask for it? > > They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds. Just to put some numbers behind this: according to

Re: PuTTY tips for Debian users

Stephen Powell: > > In another post a couple of months ago (see > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/07/msg00592.html) I gave some > recommendations for optimal PuTTY settings for use with Debian hosts. > I'd like to follow up on that based on recent discoveries that I have made. … > I hop

Re: Systemd resources

On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:38:07, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi, > I'm really cynical about the Systemd concept, but if it looks like it's > happening anyway, could we start making a list of recommended tutorials on > using it. It would help if people recommending the tutorials had > successfully followed th

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream (fraud)

On 09/25/2014 12:56 PM, Gregory Smith wrote: The debian developers did NOT select systemd. 4 people decided on systemd in a technical committee, a split decision, which happened to be decided by a vote from a chairman. There was no general resolution. Bringing this non technical issue to the tech

2 fork or ~2 fork

I suspect that historians will say fork has already occurred. I suspect it will have little to do with init this versus init that. Owl *DUCKS* 4 cover ;/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debi

Re: PuTTY tips for Debian users

Good tips all around. Only thing is that I stopped using screen in favor of tmux a few years ago. The biggest aggravation is the loss of translation of keys, such as Ctl-left, Ctl-right, etc. (connecting from another Debian system is fine). Perhaps that is a PuTTY issue or I don't have tmux conf

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 02:13:11AM +0800, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: > But still, since systemd was the default, a tendency in choosing the > default plays such a major role that you may even not realize. A systematic > research involving default effect is here: > Isaac Dinner et. al., 2011, Partition

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > >I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions > >and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject > >for Groklaw. > > How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of

Re: Systemd resources

On Fri 26 Sep 2014 at 00:11:04 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:38:07, James Allsopp wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm really cynical about the Systemd concept, but if it looks like it's > > happening anyway, could we start making a list of recommended tutorials on > > using it. It would h

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

Stephen Allen wrote: > Deservedly so, in my opinion. I'm sure the silent majority are as sick > as I am of several people beating this dead horse to death. Most Linux > distributions are DoCractic, those that do the work, make the rules. Not to mention drive-by attacks on development communication

Re: XFCE4 screen resolution stuck too low

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 08:48:59PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 09/25/2014 08:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >First, how confident are you that this is *only* in Xfce, and not in > >LXDE and Openbox and who knows what other window managers? Perhaps it's > >an X thing, plain and simple. > > There are

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:27:30, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> There is always that possibility. It's one of the reasons for the old >> adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen Sigh. Andrei, I would be the last

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On 09/25/2014 03:30 AM, martin f krafft wrote: ... > the Universal Operating System should also cater to non-desktops. > And not only to other-than-desktop, but also to ports and architectures other than i386/amd64. I don't have a problem with systemd per se. I have used it before on Fedora cont

Re: XFCE4 screen resolution stuck too low

On Thu 25 Sep 2014 at 20:48:59 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 09/25/2014 08:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >First, how confident are you that this is *only* in Xfce, and not in > >LXDE and Openbox and who knows what other window managers? Perhaps it's > >an X thing, plain and simple. > > There are st

Re: Messages from starting services while booting

Am 25.09.2014 um 22:46 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: > On Jo, 25 sep 14, 18:30:53, Michael Biebl wrote: >> Am 25.09.2014 um 17:30 schrieb Steve Litt: >>> Disable lightdm and you'll start seeing the messages. The right way is >>> to put an exit command early in the lightdm config file. The easy way >> >>

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

Ric Moore writes: > You are free to boot Debian and use it... You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start your own distribution based on it. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a s

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2014 02:01 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 25 sep 14, 14:28:19, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: >> I hope you all can realize how much I do NOT want to open yet >> again another issue on #NotSystemd topic. > > No. > >> Seeing that the issue is st

Re: chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on i386

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:45:24PM +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:33:50PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > > On 2014-09-25 21:10 +0200, Alex Andreotti wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > is there a way to get a .deb of chromium >= 37.0.2062.117 on arch > > > i386? (unstable

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote: > can't use. > > I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't > work on bsds (that's a paraphrase using the same words, not a quote) and > then ridiculed. It's not that sysvinit doesn't work on bsds, it might, it

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

Brian writes: > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 21:01:17 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Brian writes: >> >> > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:31 +0200, lee wrote: >> > >> >> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start >> >> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has star

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

Sven Hartge writes: > lee wrote: >> Sven Hartge writes: >>> lee wrote: > what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started. >>> >>> Maybe the network is not up or the nameserver is not res

Re: Let's have a vote!

Darac Marjal writes: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: >> >> > Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, without needing >> > to use any of the existing shell scripts. >> >> That's how systemd makes the boot process cryptic and non-debuggable. > > If you can un

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:40:31PM +0200, lee wrote: >> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start >> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started. > > What init system are you using? the default init system of Wheez

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