Darac Marjal <mailingl...@darac.org.uk> writes: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: >> >> > Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, without needing >> > to use any of the existing shell scripts. >> >> That's how systemd makes the boot process cryptic and non-debuggable. > > If you can understand start-stop-daemon, I'm sure systemd isn't much > harder.
I never needed to understand it. >> > Systemd unit files, unlike SysV scripts, can usually be shipped by >> > upstream, or at least shared with other distributions (already more >> > than 1000 existing unit files in Fedora) without any changes, the >> > Debian specifics being handled by systemd itself. >> >> So Debian even has its own version of systemd to make things more >> complicated. > > Debian has it's own idiosyncrasies of sysvinit, so this is a point to > neither side. They are simple scripts which are easy to understand. The so-called "unit files" aren't. >> > The transition plan is easy, since existing init scripts are treated >> > as first-class services: scripts can depend (using LSB headers) on >> > units, units can depend on scripts. More than 99% of init scripts can >> > be used without a modification. >> >> What's easy about this, and why use systemd when the existing init >> scripts are fine? > > You asked for advantages of systemd. The fact that you can transition to > it is an advantage. Would you prefer an init system that is technically > superior, yet entirely incompatible with sysvinit? Upstart was pipped at > the post mostly because of systemd's compatibility with sysvinit > scripts. The whole thing needs to be re-done anyway. I'm not sure whether it matters much or not whether you have to provide a suitable setup with systemd or with something else. > Users DO get a vote. Every time you download an ISO for debian, that's a > vote. Every time you install a system as debian, that's a vote. It would be a vote nobody knows or cares about. > As has been mentioned several times on this list, the best way to get > systemd out of debian is to develop an init system that is technically > superior to systemd. > [...] There seems to be quite some disagreement about systemds' technical superiority. > When your new init system is ready for show time, either submit it to > debian (if you'd like debian to lead the way) or create your own > distribution to showcase the init system. Let people see the ease with > which your new system tackles the problems of both sysvinit and systemd. > Let them play with it and marvel at the clean, robust code. > > We look forward to the fruits of your efforts! That'll be a long wait. Even if I made another init system, it would be ignored like everything else. -- Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is power. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87fvff1j1e....@yun.yagibdah.de
