The Wanderer writes:
> All very reasonable, at each step. I'm not sure I see much problem
> with it in practice, either...
I do. It's what leads to an image manipulation program depending on a
particular init system.
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> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:04:33PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> >> As best I can dredge it up quickly, the dependency chain is:
>
On Ma, 23 sep 14, 11:37:22, John Hasler wrote:
> Why in heaven's name does Gimp require audio?
It doesn't. Gimp depends on libgegl (Generic Graphics Library) which
depends on libsdl (Simple DirectMedia Layer) which also supports audio
and is thus compiled with support for pulseaudio (depends on
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> Why in heaven's name does Gimp require audio?
AFAIK, it doesn't.
It does require graphics handling, though.
One of the libraries it uses for that relies on an SDL library.
That SDL library in turn
Why in heaven's name does Gimp require audio?
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On 09/23/2014 at 12:21 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:04:33PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> As best I can dredge it up quickly, the dependency chain is:
>>
>> gimp -> libgegl-0.2-0 -> libsdl1.2debian -> libpulse0 ->
>> libsystemd-
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:50:04AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Chris Bannister"
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 + "Andrew M.A. Cater"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It woun't kill any detract
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:04:33PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> As best I can dredge it up quickly, the dependency chain is:
>
> gimp -> libgegl-0.2-0 -> libsdl1.2debian -> libpulse0 ->
> libsystemd-id128-0
Close, but no cigar :) On this system libsystemd-id128-0 is not
installed, and aptitude te
On 9/23/2014 11:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 23 sep 14, 08:35:49, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>> A much closer example would be if you only had one tractor dealer
>> available, and he decided only to carry one tractor.
>
> There is only one tractor available, because the builders of other
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On 09/23/2014 at 11:35 AM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:50:46PM +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Gimp already depends on (parts of) systemd in current stable.
>> Do you know a way to install gimp without installing (parts of)
>> systemd
- Original Message -
> From: "Chris Bannister"
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
> > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> > >
> > > It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
> > > breaks, to help us to get a Deb
On Du, 21 sep 14, 05:14:25, lee wrote:
>
> Try to help by providing translations, and you'll find it's impossible
> because there's nowhere and no one to offer such service.
I'd like to answer to this point, but I'm not quite sure what you mean
by it. Could you please clarify or maybe give some
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:27:24 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > I can hack the odd script and drive a compiler, so if there were to
> > be existing software that could do the job with a bit filed off
> > here and there, I'd have a go. But having done a bit more reading
> > recently, it se
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:50:46PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Gimp already depends on (parts of) systemd in current stable. Do you
> know a way to install gimp without installing (parts of) systemd? And
> gimp is not the only thing with a dependency like this.
That's actual dependencies for the g
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:19:50 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 14:53:15 Joe wrote:
> > As Lisi and others have pointed out, the
> > design of systemd and the decision of Debian to make systemd the
> > 'default', or in practice the only init system, are set in stone.
> > There
On Lu, 22 sep 14, 16:17:13, Ric Moore wrote:
> So, I do not recommend the upgrade process from Wheezy to Jessie
> as a general rule.
I think it's still too early in the release cycle to make such
recommendations. Based on my experience with Debian so far I trust
upgrading bugs to be dealt with
Joe writes:
> I can hack the odd script and drive a compiler, so if there were to be
> existing software that could do the job with a bit filed off here and
> there, I'd have a go. But having done a bit more reading recently, it
> seems likely that any alternative init would have to be written from
On Ma, 23 sep 14, 08:35:49, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> A much closer example would be if you only had one tractor dealer
> available, and he decided only to carry one tractor.
There is only one tractor available, because the builders of other
tractors retired. Some of the old tractors still seem
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:49:52 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > ...the design of systemd and the decision of Debian to make systemd
> > the 'default', or in practice the only init system...
>
> Not true. "Default" just means that it's the init you get if you
> don't specify anything els
Joe writes:
> ...the design of systemd and the decision of Debian to make systemd
> the 'default', or in practice the only init system...
Not true. "Default" just means that it's the init you get if you don't
specify anything else. Other inits are allowed and encouraged but
_someone has to devel
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On 09/23/2014 at 10:19 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 14:53:15 Joe wrote:
>
>> As Lisi and others have pointed out, the design of systemd and
>> the decision of Debian to make systemd the 'default', or in
>> practice the only
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 14:53:15 Joe wrote:
> As Lisi and others have pointed out, the
> design of systemd and the decision of Debian to make systemd the
> 'default', or in practice the only init system, are set in stone.
> There's nothing to discuss.
I have never said anything of the kind.
On 9/23/2014 9:36 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:35:49AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 8:26 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:26:06 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
> > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
> > > breaks, to help us t
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:35:49AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 8:26 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
> >> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> It woun't kill any detractors to try
On 9/23/2014 8:26 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
>> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
>>> breaks, to help us to get a Debian system we can
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>
>
> >
> > It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
> > breaks, to help us to get a Debian system we can all be proud of
> > instead of talking up a sto
On 22/09/14 23:53, lee wrote:
And don't mention multiple sound cards (which Joe
can't even imagine to have) ...
Funnily enough, a substantial number of non-technical computer users do,
in fact, have multiple audio devices in their desktop computers. For
example, they might have a set of speak
On 23/09/14 00:53, lee wrote:
Fortunately, you don't even need to install it on Debian.
Except that in Wheezy an awful lot of packages depend on libpulse0 even
though they work perfectly well without Pulseaudio, and they'll create a
directory under $HOME that contains nothing more than a brok
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> > Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 03:41:53 schrieb lee:
> >> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> >> > Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are
> >> > trying
> >> > to work on the distribution to
On 9/22/2014 7:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:57:03 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Sep
On 9/22/2014 7:34 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:42:57 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>>> It all just works. Since I paid nothing, I certainly got much more
>>> than my money's worth. I fail to see where we should jerk on their
>>> chai
Ric Moore writes:
> On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> Please stop.
>
> I agree. It's all free, so where's the beef? The Devs are free to do
> as the please. If anyone wants to do as they please, they are also
> free to do so. This ain't Windows. Ric
Of course they are free to do
Ric Moore writes:
> On 09/21/2014 07:37 AM, Martin Read wrote:
>
>> My mileage varies; in my experience, Debian in 2014 is a higher-quality
>> distribution than Debian in 2004. The obvious example is that sound (for
>> all practical purposes) Just Works on my current Debian system (all I
>> had t
Martin Read writes:
> On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote:
>> Martin Read writes:
>>> Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
>>> ridiculously difficult to me.
>>
>> I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't
>> get anywhere with it.
>
> I had that expe
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 03:41:53 schrieb lee:
>> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
>> > Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying
>> > to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in
>> > this sort of discuss
Ric Moore writes:
> Without networking, you do not proceed to Go.
If the upgrade fails, I won't have an internet connection anymore.
> So, I do not recommend the upgrade process from Wheezy to Jessie as a
> general rule. And certainly not on a system with only Debian
> installed. If nothing els
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:57:03 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > > On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:42:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> > It all just works. Since I paid nothing, I certainly got much more
> > than my money's worth. I fail to see where we should jerk on their
> > chains to demand more of their time by hanging here a
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/22/2014 01:56 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it,
>>> as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jes
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:13:53 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > I need to use Windows for some purposes, and occasionally I even
> > correct some of the more out-of-date FUD about it, but that doesn't
> > mean ... that I'm somehow not allowed to criticise it.
>
> So they've changed the t
On 09/22/2014 01:56 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it,
as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jessie fresh, so I
wouldn't be part of the noisy problems on this list wit
Joe writes:
> I need to use Windows for some purposes, and occasionally I even
> correct some of the more out-of-date FUD about it, but that doesn't
> mean ... that I'm somehow not allowed to criticise it.
So they've changed the terms of their "license"?
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>
> It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
> breaks, to help us to get a Debian system we can all be proud of
> instead of talking up a storm to complain about things. Experience
> may also allow us to suppor
On 09/21/2014 07:37 AM, Martin Read wrote:
My mileage varies; in my experience, Debian in 2014 is a higher-quality
distribution than Debian in 2004. The obvious example is that sound (for
all practical purposes) Just Works on my current Debian system (all I
had to do was pop open pavucontrol and
On 09/21/2014 09:51 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
They are really serious about making Emacs its own
OS! That aside the Guix GNU system is using its own init and the Linux
kernel with the non-free bits stripped out which they term Linux-libre.
Oh boy! I can play "Hunt The Wumpus" again!! Yahoo! To
On 9/22/2014 1:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Obvious
On 9/22/2014 1:03 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it contin
On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > >> Obviously it is important enough to enough users
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
> It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it,
> as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jessie fresh, so I
> wouldn't be part of the noisy problems on this list with left over
> old cruft competing for attent
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >>
> >> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
> >> And shutting people up is not go
On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
>> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It
>> will, however, make users go away
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It
> will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other
> systems now.
On 9/22/2014 8:50 AM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Доброго времени суток, Jerry.
>
>
> Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:53:04 -0400 вы писали:
>>> I will repeat my opinion: you will benefit from going to another
>>> distro so long, as the US/Euro fashists come not to those distros.
>>>
>>> So to conque
On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/20/2014 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/20/2014 9:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out.
What we want does not seem to matter.
>>>
>
Доброго времени суток, Jerry.
Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:53:04 -0400 вы писали:
> > I will repeat my opinion: you will benefit from going to another
> > distro so long, as the US/Euro fashists come not to those distros.
> >
> > So to conqueror their spyware (the so called «systemd») i
On 09/20/2014 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/20/2014 9:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out.
What we want does not seem to matter.
There are positive methods of influencing the decisions t
On 09/20/2014 09:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out.
What we want does not seem to matter.
There are positive methods of influencing the decisions that Debian
makes and negative methods.
Posi
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
what they claim that they are doing.
Exactly how are Debian Developers preventi
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 03:41:53 schrieb lee:
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> > Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying
> > to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in
> > this sort of discussion, please.
>
> Nobody prevents t
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying to
> work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in this
> sort of discussion, please.
Nobody prevents them from doing either or forces them to do anything.
Once they
Steve Litt writes:
> Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to "it's ready when
> it's ready?"
It *freezes* Nov. 5. It's *ready* when it's ready. This is not a new
development.
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to "it's ready when
> it's ready?"
That quote referring to the release, which is distinct from when testing
freezes. Testing is rarely ready, which is why we have to freeze it in
the first place.
Once all of
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:42:18 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are
> trying to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to
> intervene in this sort of discussion, please.
Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happene
On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote:
Martin Read writes:
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't
get anywhere with it.
I had that experience. Then I found these convenient pag
On 9/21/2014 2:39 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Доброго времени суток, Miles.
>
>
> Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was
brought to my att
Martin Read writes:
> On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
>> Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
>> ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
>
> Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
> ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the h
Bret Busby writes:
> Can we please have a list established, that is purely for providing
> support for users, and, that is free of the perpetual bitching -
> systemd this and systemd that?
Nobody prevents you from establishing such a list ...
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It
> will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other
> systems now.
Доброго времени суток, Miles.
Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали:
> >> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
> >> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was
> >> brought to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intellig
Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent decision
as to whether to
On 9/21/2014 12:03 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:37:03 +0100 Martin Read
napísal:
> On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
> > Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
> > ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
>
> Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
> ridicu
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
> > Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
> >> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
>> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
>> to my attention. It has allowed me to make an in
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought
> to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent decision
> as to whether to upgrade or g
On 9/21/2014 5:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would cont
> On 21 Sep 2014, at 15:08, "David L. Craig" wrote:
>
> I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost half a year now,
> but since mid-July I've been focused on releasing a
> cookbook for bringing it up in a virt-manager administered
> virtual machine, and am closing in on releasing the
> beta version
On 21/09/14 14:31, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote:
But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the
developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar
achievements - while maybe "volunteering" for Debian - are also paid
On 14Sep21:0851-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Maybe systemd will give gnu/hurd, or minix, or plan 9 a boost.
>
> I've been looking at Guix this past week after discovering it almost by
> accident:
I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost ha
* On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> For what it's worth - the angst is reflected not just here, but on the
> debian-devel and the linux-kernel (kernel developers) list as well (I've
> started monitoring that to see to what extent kernel developers are starting
> to migrate to dist
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote:
> But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the
> developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar
> achievements - while maybe "volunteering" for Debian - are also paid
> developers working for a commer
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On 09/21/2014 at 08:59 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> I am most concerned about the systemd project's intention to
>> subsume many other projects rather than simply be a cooperative
>> member of the vast Free Software ecosyst
Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014, 08:59:16 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim --
> >> which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but
On 20/09/14 22:20, Don Armstrong wrote:
In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but
maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing
to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively
draining existing contributor's desire to continue wo
Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim --
which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but
seems NOT to work (or at least lag behind).
When systemd-shim is forced to
Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:09:26 -0400,
Miles Fidelman wrote:
--8<--
And... by the way, what happened to "old stable" -
https://www.debian.org/releases/ now lists squeeze as obsolete.
"LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for provid
* On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim --
> which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but
> seems NOT to work (or at least lag behind).
When systemd-shim is forced to chase the tailligh
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:09:26 -0400,
Miles Fidelman wrote:
--8<--
>
>And... by the way, what happened to "old stable" -
>https://www.debian.org/releases/ now lists squeeze as obsolete.
>
"LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for providing security patches
af
Martin Read wrote:
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
As you can see, it's not only Debian developers I'm disappointed with.
Sadly, the quality of Debian has declined over the years --- and I'm not
the only one saying that --- and one of the reasons for this might be
disregard for the users.
My mil
Joe wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:53:46 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the
debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all
in the mailing-list archive.
Which leads to the tentative conclusion that not many readers o
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me. Tedious, perhaps, but not ridiculously
difficult. Ther
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:15:53 +0800 Bret Busby
napísal:
> On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
> >>> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other
> >>> people, particularly users, from doi
On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
>>> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
>>> particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
>>> what they claim that they are do
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:53:46 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the
> debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all
> in the mailing-list archive.
Which leads to the tentative conclusion that not many readers of the
De
Don Armstrong writes:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
>> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
>> particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
>> what they claim that they are doing.
>
> Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others f
All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the
debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all in
the mailing-list archive.
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Don Armstrong wrote:
> Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others from contributing?
For one by closing bugs without fixing them. As users we are always
admonished to file bugs. But whether those bugs will be acknowledge
and handled appropriately depends upon the project. My experience
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:48:19 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
> >> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other
> >> people, particularly users, from doing something which would
> >> contribute to what th
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote:
These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people,
particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to
what they claim that they are doing.
Exactly how are Debian Developers preventin
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