I was just installing my new computer with ASUS motherboard and I came across
the following page:
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/806097/Asus-B85-Pro-Gamer.html?page=40#manual
.
Unless I am reading this correctly, the FreeDOS is on the USB flash drive
(which you have to obtain seperately) and that contains a DOS program to update
the BIOS, called bupdater. So there is not even a DOS inside the ROM.
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Van: "Teddy T." <[email protected]>
Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers."
<[email protected]>
Verzonden: Dinsdag 31 maart 2015 01:18:11
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
Asus
Eric,
Thanks for helping, saying in a few words what I sometimes need several
sentences to try to explain.
Yes I'm now convinced by our discussion that there's no chance FreeDOS could be
related to this issue and Asus just tried to get rid of us blaming FreeDOS...
and it would be "funny" to find-out that Asus laptops don't use FreeDOS ! By
the way do you have any idea how we could check if yes or no FreeDOS is in our
Asus laptops ? Any command like "winver" to check what DOS is installed ?
Today I went back to the shop where I bought the computer, we tested other Asus
models and they all have the same problem (but Acer, HP and Lenovo work fine).
I also realised that the problem happens if boot 1 is the second (empty) HDD
instead of the ODD, it's unable tu use more than 1 boot option, no matter what
it is.
In fact we can force them, we do have the right to, we just need to prove the
error is their fault and not anybody else's. There're not really allowed to
propose a non working feature, in this case they should have removed it totally
(it happens, like when they remove fan or CPU settings), or they are
responsible to make it work fine. What force companies to do it is usually the
number of customers complaining. "Unity is strength".
I must admit I don't really know the real differences between BIOS and UEFI,
all I know is that UEFI have very few options and settings compared to the old
BIOS I'm used to, but that's all.
Jeremy,
What is the model of your motherboard ? Do you also know the model and version
of the BIOS it uses ? Maybe we could ask Asus to consider using this one to
correct it's laptops' BIOS to make the boot options work again. Maybe...
Rugxulo,
Do you show yourself so unrespectfull and misconsidering on purpose ? How is
whatever you say related to our request or even helping ?!
These updates are older than our BIOS, and as you can see they are not related
to boot problems.
How to check if FreeDOS is installed on a PC ? Well it's very likely simple for
someone who uses it (we don't) because it's probably the "standard" same way to
check it on any PC from any brand. How do you know about yours for example ?
I've been testing several other Asus models in shops today : they all use the
same crap/fake BIOS, and boot is very likely the top number 1 important option
for a PC to work properly, don't you agree ? Do you think that someone
implementing X features shouldn't test all of them ? Isn't it what people in
FreeDOS project do ? I believe you all there are less lazy as those at Asus and
dev participating to FreeDOS project know what they're doing.
Court here use to condemn many big companies when sued by group of customers
and often have to pay thousands of dollars for refund and compensation. In our
case Asus still has the choice: either they give us a patch, or we'll sue them
for as much as we could and will do our best for its market to collapse in our
country, the same way we got rid of several other dishonest companies in the
past. Let's hope for them they are more clever than that.
So far I convinced 2 shops to reconsider selling Asus laptops (and many
customers, as i'm an IT) showing them this problem and a few others. I'll visit
2-3 other shops tomorrow (I don't know about other customers in other cities,
some already went back to where they bought their laptops at least).
You don't really understand what "designed for Windows" means, right ? It's a
software statement, not an hardware one, I'm sure you can make the difference.
Just don't forget it's supposed to be a PC, not a Mac or a Playstation.
And as you said yourself there are already 5 bios available on Asus support
(for 2 different models, you must have noticed it) so you should reconsider
your definition of "geek" and "customer", more again when one of those updates
is just related to the USB power port dedicated to charge smartphones (that's
so much more important than boot devices).
Seriously, don't waste your time replying if it's not to help. What you write
is just considering us as idiot not knowing what a computer is, what a company
does and what customers have the right to expect or not. You may accept
whatever happens to you, we don't.
I also don't have much time to help you read properly what I write when
everybody else can understand (even if I surely not write perfectly english).
My question was very simple, I don't care about any debate, even less if you're
not an Asus representative, and here it is again : Asus blame on FreeDOS for
this problem > may FreeDOS be responsible of a PC not being able to use several
boot options > if yes what can be done from FreeDOS (considering Asus doesn't
care) > if no then Asus is crap, should be avoided and we'll make sure it
looses a lot for misconsidering its customers. That's all.
For everybody :
Today when I went to the shop, they had other new Asus computers of several
models. All of them suffered the same problem, no matter they had SSD, HDD,
ODD, etc.
We could confirm that no matter what is boot option 1, it will never check boot
option 2, 3, etc. We also realised that the BIOS inside of several machines had
really not been designed for it, didn't show the right model name and didn't
even recognised the hardware properly !
For example in the model I have it finds Windows SSD on boot and another
"CD/DVD" that doesn't exist (this model's ODD is named "MATSHITADVD"). When we
enter the Setup/BIOS, we can see the two of them, but as soon as we quit
(without modifying anything and without saving) it automatically deletes this
"CD/DVD".
It also shows only one SSD whereas the computer also has a HDD... that won't be
visible until its partitions are deleted and recreated, then only it will be
visible in the BIOS.
Anyway considering FreeDOS can't be the cause of Asus BIOS issues, we'll turn
back to shop technicians to take care of the laptops and legals to take care of
the next steps.
Thank you all for your answers that helped me understand a bit more about
FreeDOS.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:40:11 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus
On Mar 30, 2015 2:56 PM, "Eric Auer" < [email protected] > wrote:
...
>
> PPS: Can anybody check if similar "Asuses" have the same issue?
...
I have never had a problem with this for any of my Asus motherboards; I have
had several through the years. I once had an issue booting a nonstandard
bootdisk but I don't recall the manufacturer of that motherboard. Even my
latest UEFI one works, but I have only used their motherboards, not any of the
other devices branded by them. I have had to download BIOS updates from TW not
US site to get latest version. I mention this as usually I use ASUS motherboard
based computers for my physical testing; my older computers are no longer easy
to use so I usually use VMs now.
Jeremy
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