Hi Carsten :) hi Jochen :) >> However I think this is really _very_ low priority. BTW what is the way >> gnome/kde do this? >>
I'll stop this debate at this point, because it tends to become a debate on principles. From my experiences I can say, that I'm unable to prompt people to use Linux, instead of proprietary OSs, because they are not willing to reach the level of knowledge, that's needed for Linux. Less people pay for the proprietary software on other OSs. I agree that most Linux users don't have the problems "I've got". I'll repeat it, it wasn't a problem for me, I just wanted to point out that this might be a cause for the fact that people are using cracked proprietary software, instead of using software that is FLOSS. I might be wrong, we don't need to discuss this on this mailing list. For KDE I never had any troubles because of defaults, while GNOME can cause troubles, this depends to the distro. Carsten wanted to know why people sometimes use different DEs. Again, I mentioned it before. KDE for example has got a comfort, that other DEs don't have, at least this is the standpoint of some people, e.g. because of Konqueror. If it's needed or not, is another question, even KDE changed the default file browser from Konqueror to Dolphin. Some people have computers with less resources, a program like recordMyDesktop can't run on KDE, but is fine while running on Ion2, certainly this isn't something that users do very often, but some users do their day-to-day work and real-time recording with Linux. Please read audio mailing list archives and you'll see that resources are a serious problem, when people do the mastering, or just do a little test. Launch JACK, run top and then launch JAMin. Even on a state of the art computer just running JAMin, without any real-time processing, will increase CPU load rapidly. Run a complete studio in the box by using large soundfonts etc. and compare the load by using different WMs/ DEs. Anyway, this would become a debate on principles and I won't discuss this. I agree that e17's default configuration is 'really _very_ low priority', because e17 isn't a DE that is used by distros very often. Btw. freedesktop standards doesn't seem to be fine all the time and in addition for real-time users there are a lot of common Linux issues that are unwanted, dbus, pulseaudio and other common stuff. Again, I believe that most e17 users are fine with the defaults, but maybe a lot of people aren't users, because they aren't fine with the defaults. But I won't discuss this, because I know the results of debates on principles for e.g. dbus, pulseaudio, xyzkid and co ;). Maybe we can leave it at ... I reported that installing e17 caused confusion on the GNOME desktop. It's solvable and IMO a problem for users and in your opinion it isn't a problem. Cheers, Ralf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
