On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:52:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> said:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > oh u mean the .desktop files in Desktop - which ones specifically? there's > > more than one way to mount a filesystem than by fstab. :) > > > > :D > > >> The default behaviour of e17 doesn't fit to the needs of unexperienced > >> and in addition not to the needs of experienced users. > >> > > > > seems to fit the needs of many - including me. it works out of the box on > > all my machines - all of which run ubuntu btw. i can deal with removable > > media (cd's, dvd's, usb storage, mmcblk etc.), deal with my files, deal > > with my apps. it meets the needs of this experienced user and developer - > > and i know it meets the needs of others. i know of no one except you that > > just changed desktops regularly - they use one for weeks or months or years > > on end. you'd be an exception, not a rule. :) it may not meet your needs - > > sure, but developers scratch their own itches first, then they cater to the > > majority of users. minorities normally send patches to support themselves :) > > I don't know if packages for e17 play havoc with desktops of additional > installed DEs. I accept that for the SVN version the default behaviour > should fit to the developers needs. I guess once e17 is configured, it > won't change it's behaviour, after installing an updated SVN version ;). > For packages the maintainers should take care not to do anything by > default, that changes something on the desktop for another DE. If you > want users to use SVN versions, this might be useful because of bug > reports, another default might be better. that's not possible anymore. check xdg (freedeskto.org) standard. all desktops SHARE infrastructure. if u add applications in e - they will have been added in gnome, kde etc. if u do custom menus while in gnome - e's app menus will have changed too. this is already the case between kde, xfce, gnome, and e - and anythnig else capable of modifying freedesktop.org standardised data. the Desktop directory doesnt belong to some desktop - it's a directory where things on the "desktop" (file-wise) are placed. e places some files there. it happens to annoy you. it's not screwing with gnome or kde's data. e will be affected if in gnome or kde u dump files there - they will show in e. > Linux users are a minority and of course real-time users are a minority > at this minority. For this minor...@minority I guess there're not less > users who like to have a DE similar to KDE for office stuff and > something lightweight as Fluxbox for audio recording and MIDI. does it really matter? why do you go changing DE's? KDE or E won't matter with audio recording or video except kde (or gnome) will have a larger memory footprint. i don't see why i'd ever use kde for "office stuf" and e for "audio recording". e works just as well for both - as does kde, as does gnome. it's really a personal preference as to the style of desktop you like and the level of freedom and configurability as well as general footprint. this is why i just find it odd that people whould change desktop on a task-by-task basis. i know i dont log out for weeks at a time. and i know of no one but you that actually changes DE's for a different task :) your point that they are better for office or audio etc. doesn't make any sense to me. if there is something - maybe its a feature that is needed? what is so much better for audio in e (let's say) and what is so much better for "office" in kde? > Because the DE is basal for users and because users often just want to > be users, any DE should take care about issues that potentially can > confuse users. most users who would be confused don't change DE. they use the one their system came with and never change. :) > Most of us are eating by using cutlery, we learn how to eat by using > forks and knives or chopsticks and how to clean them, but it's unusual > that we learn how to make forks, knives and chopsticks. For users doing > the configuration as a newbie is similar to program an application. indeed it is. but it's unusual to buy the cuttlery moulds, the raw etals, smelt them down and make your own too (which is compiling effectively). you don't design the stuff - you take the pre-designed and tested stuff and just run the production process to make the cuttlery. if you're not buying the cuttlery in a box at the store already made (packaged software), i think it's valid to expect a learning curve and level of knowledge :) > I won't start a debate on principles, I just want suggest to use other > defaults, because for many computer users Linux is unappealing, because > it needs to much time to configure it. It's fine that there are many > possibilities to configure it individually, but default settings for one > application shouldn't play havoc with the settings of another application. e has more than 1 default. it asks you for a profile - we can offer as many as you like, but the .desktop files will go into ~/Desktop no matter what as that's base setup infrastructure to give you links to places on your disk. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. 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