On Freitag 01 Juni 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> On 31 May 2012, at 20:13, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > On Thursday 31 May 2012, Coda Highland wrote:
> [...]
>
> >> This is much less error-prone because Creator then just asks the
> >> original build system to handle the build, so y
On 31 May 2012, at 20:13, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Thursday 31 May 2012, Coda Highland wrote:
>
[...]
>> This is much less error-prone because Creator then just asks the original
>> build system to handle the build, so you're guaranteed equivalent
>> compilation.
>
> That would b
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
wrote:
> On Thursday 31 May 2012, Coda Highland wrote:
>> And Creator already has an easy-to-use UI for the job -- it's just "open
>> project".
>
> Hm - do you refer to a former release of QtCreator?
Possibly. It's been a long time since I'v
On Thursday 31 May 2012, Coda Highland wrote:
> And Creator already has an easy-to-use UI for the job -- it's just "open
> project".
Hm - do you refer to a former release of QtCreator?
The current menu-entry "open file or project" does not appear very helpful to
me. There are so many filefilters
On Thursday 31 May 2012 - 19:06:41, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Vojtech Kral wrote:
> > 1. Compiler switches:
> > The fact that you want to enter a compiler switch
> >
> > manually is itself suspicious. Why do you want to do that?
>
> First: even in the cros
On 2012-05-31 19:06, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> Vojtech:
> I
have built IDEs, so I fully understand (in a technical sense) all of the
issues you have raised concerning cross-platform build options. I
disagree with you.
> (...)
Hi,
Hm, you might have misunderstood me
or perhaps I didn't
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> Personally, I believe that QMake is too simple for large-scale and/or
> complex projects involving many libraries and/or many binaries. The QMake
> CONFIG concept is overloaded in an unfortunate way, and the ability to
> specify multipl
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Vojtech Kral wrote:
> 1. Compiler switches:
> The fact that you want to enter a compiler switch
> manually is itself suspicious. Why do you want to do that?
>
Vojtech:
I have built IDEs, so I fully understand (in a technical sense) all of the
issues you have
> I don't know about XCode project files.
Conceptually it sort of resembles vcproj. Practically it's an ugly,
ugly mess. It CAN be done; it's just XML. It's just messy. Still, with
the pitiful shape Xcode itself is in, it's a project I may take up in
my Copious Free Time.
/s/ Adam
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On 05/31/2012 06:48 PM, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
>
> From other postings, I understand that there is active discussion
> about a future XML-based build system for QtCreator. What list should
> I join to be involved in that discussion?
>
Are you referring to this:
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:03 AM, wrote:
> Hi Gero!
>
> The "best build system" is a hottly debated topic in the C/C++ world:-)
> There are
> lots of competing ways to do things, each with their benefits and set of
> (mis-)features.
>
It's just that the rest of you do not appreciate the true geni
On 2012-05-31 06:55, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> Well, as a user, I think different - completely!
I am sorry, but if that is the case, then you simply don't
understand how projects are built in C++, mostly speaking about
Qt-related and/or cross-platform-related conventions.
I suggest yo
> On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> > On 29 May 2012, at 15:08, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > > On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> > >> On 27 May 2012, at 06:14, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > > Ok - please lets take for granted, that I don'
Hi Gero!
The "best build system" is a hottly debated topic in the C/C++ world:-) There
are
lots of competing ways to do things, each with their benefits and set of
(mis-)features.
It is way less controversial in the Java world and that makes it easier to get a
hold on the problem there.
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On Donnerstag 31 Mai 2012, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
>
> That completely reverses requirements for build process: you should
> 1) Design build system of your project meeting all requirements
> 2) Adopt it for work with your favorite IDE (Qt Creator, NetBeans, Vim,
> Emacs, etc.)
Well, as a user,
>> By your definitions, Creator is "mid-level". It's extensible with
>> plugins and it already has support for cmake and generic makefiles,
>
> Well, this is only true for a developer that already knows very well
> QtCreator.
> Its not at all true for a developer, that starts up with QtCreator - le
On Donnerstag 31 Mai 2012, Coda Highland wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
> > Respect to the build-functionality, I would categorize IDEs in 3 levels
> > like this:
> > 1.) entry level:
> > an IDE can only manage projects created by itself, no import for existing
>
On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 05:31:20AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > > > Why not pop a messagebox, with a (localized - is QtCreator
> > > > localized?) message, telling that the gdb is not supported.
>
> How do you find out whether a version of
31.05.2012, 08:05, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> On Wednesday 30 May 2012 - 19:50:53, Vojtech Kral wrote:
>
>> On 2012-05-30 19:02, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>>> On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Vojtech Kral wrote:
On 2012-05-30 15:37, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
I think you misun
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2012 - 19:50:53, Vojtech Kral wrote:
>> On 2012-05-30 19:02, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>> > On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Vojtech Kral wrote:
>> >> On 2012-05-30 15:37, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I
On Wednesday 30 May 2012 - 19:50:53, Vojtech Kral wrote:
> On 2012-05-30 19:02, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Vojtech Kral wrote:
> >> On 2012-05-30 15:37, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> >>
> >> I think you misunderstood, the support is rather done in such a way
> >>
On 05/30/2012 09:27 PM, André Pönitz wrote:
> How do you find out whether a version of gdb is usable, or not? How do
> you find out which exact version any given build of gdb has? Which
> features this build theoretically supports? Which features work in
> practice?
One possibility would be to cro
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 05:31:20AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> The impact of no debugging output is so big, that I thought, there might be
> lots of people that tried QtCreator, that just removed it caused of that.
The expected line of thinking is "Hey, this can't possibly be right!" -
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Harri Pasanen wrote:
> One must remember we are all not native English speakers and nuances are
> often difficult even for them in a written medium.
>
I agree. Actually, this is *another* good reason not to use "colorful"
expressions. They do not translate well.
On 2012-05-30 19:02, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Vojtech Kral wrote:
>> On 2012-05-30 15:37, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>> I think you misunderstood, the support is rather done in such a way
>> that the
>> IDE drives an underlying scripted build system rather than m
On 05/30/2012 07:09 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
>> Those people are learning things about you, and they
>> will remember what they learn for a long time. When they are asked "What do
>> you know about Geronimo?", they will say "Oh, yeah, h
On Mittwoch 30 Mai 2012, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> Those people are learning things about you, and they
> will remember what they learn for a long time. When they are asked "What do
> you know about Geronimo?", they will say "Oh, yeah, he's the kid with no
> respect who cannot use appropriate la
Hello,
Regarding the "focus" issue, i have a quite simple patch which solves this:
when opening an editor, it checks if there is a view showing the same file
already and re-uses it if found; otherwise, the current view is updated.
It all happens here: https://codereview.qt-project.org/27493
Shoul
On 2012-05-30 15:37, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> For my way of
thinking, build-support is 30% of an IDE, so cut of the build- support
from an IDE is like cut off a man being male.
Oh my God, the discussion
just got even more ridiculous...
But anyway, the build support was
definitely NOT
Leena:
Thank you. I knew about those other sources of information. I was trying to
give this as an example of a clearly described feature that might be useful.
But with your reminder, I will go look again for some things I have been
wanting recently.
Jonathan
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:04 AM,
On Wednesday 30 May 2012 - 12:54:52, riitta-leena.mietti...@nokia.com wrote:
> However, your comment is a bit harsh, ...
Some call it harsh, I call it talking pictures ;)
I already said, that I did not understand eike, when he said:
> "The decision had been made long ago that we don't want Qt Cr
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Subject: Re: [Qt-creator] Some thoughts about 2.5
>
> I had the impression you did encounter a problem. Checking with the
> usual
>
> I had the impression you did encounter a problem. Checking with the
> usual suspects (Documentation(!), Google, #qt-creator on FreeNode, or
> even here on the mailing list) _before_ jumping to generalizing
> conclusions would have made sense.
But a good "Ansatz" which Geronimo points to is t
t-creator@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Qt-creator] Some thoughts about 2.5
For example, here are three features that I would really like to see:
1. Given a selection, an entry on the right-click menu that will let me see all
of the keyboard shortcuts that I could be using for that selection. I'
29.05.2012, 00:32, "Andr Pnitz" :
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>
>> On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
>>> FWIW, it works fine with 7.1 also.
>> Debian stable uses V7.0.1 :O
>
> Released in 2009...
>
> I'd be surprised if Debian stable
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > But after all, netbeans, eclipse and even kdevelop have some nice
> > features. And if those features make live easier, why not go for it?
>
> Serious answer:
>
>
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> Geronimo:
> 1. Please try to avoid strongly negative value words, except where they
> describe a technical problem. Words like "caponize" have no place in a
> productive technical discussion.
I beg your pardon.
On writing I need the help of d
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:21:23AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > > > Again: from my point of view, this behavior of
André:
The problem with GDB debugger versions raises a pair of questions:
1. Is it worth talking to the GDB people to point out that these features
should now be considered part of the external specification of GDB?
2. Failing that, is it worth considering [I shudder] some form of native
debuggi
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:21:23AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > > Again: from my point of view, this behavior of QtCreator is very poor.
> > > With all that parsing e
On 2012-05-29 18:52, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> So what's wrong with that.
> Java did not arise only by simplicity of the language, but also by
> incredibly
> tools like eclipse and netbeans, that cut you off most grunt work.
> What eclipse
> takes out from living syntax-tree is unique.
> ...
29.05.2012, 20:52, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> Don't know, whether I do understand what you like to say.
> You don't want QtCreator perform a build, but you spent build an entry at main
> menu level?
>
> To me "perform a build" means do anything necessary to compile and link the
> sources / the
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> But after all, netbeans, eclipse and even kdevelop have some nice features.
> And if those features make live easier, why not go for it?
Serious answer:
It depends on the feature. Eclipse, in particular, is what results when
peop
Geronimo:
I welcome your suggestions and questions about QtCreator, but I am finding
your posts very disruptive to read. I would like to make two suggestions:
1. Please try to avoid strongly negative value words, except where they
describe a technical problem. Words like "caponize" have no place
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, Vojtech Kral wrote:
> On 2012-05-29 15:08, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>
> What you ask is probably impossible and it doesn't make much sense
> either.
Sorry, but statements like that prevent real software evolution.
I learned: if a problem is to big to see all aspects
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> On 29 May 2012, at 15:08, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> >> On 27 May 2012, at 06:14, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > Ok - please lets take for granted, that I don't have any
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, andre.poen...@nokia.com wrote:
> Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > Another option to enhance var section would be a detail section like in
> > eclipse, where each var is shown in detail, if it is selected by cursor.
> > That way you can leave the vars collapsed and inspect
On 2012-05-29 15:08, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> It's fine, if you say, qmake is the tool of choice - but please then
> add import
> wizards and tools for transformation of other build systems.
> May be an import wizard could work like build-systems in java-world,
> where any
> source below a g
On 29 May 2012, at 15:08, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
>> On 27 May 2012, at 06:14, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>>> - support for different window (number, size, position) for debug session
>>> and editing session and each sessi
Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> In the meantime I debugged a bit with QtCreator and even as I'm no friend of
> kdevelop, I have to state, that the var-section from kdeveloper is much
> better, than the one from QtCreator.
> Especially the handling of static buffer is great in kdevelop. If you have
On Dienstag 29 Mai 2012, eike.zil...@nokia.com wrote:
> On 27 May 2012, at 06:14, ext Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>
> Collecting from different mails:
>
> > I gave QtCreator another try and found out, that the behaviour is
> > different for changing the prototype of a function and adding a
> > f
29.05.2012, 14:54, "eike.zil...@nokia.com" :
>> But using a binary installer, that ships all but one requirements?
>
> Well, we also don't ship a compiler tool chain, nor 'make', nor 'qmake' or
> cmake or any other actual build tool, that you need to actually create
> something from your code. A
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > Again: from my point of view, this behavior of QtCreator is very poor.
> > With all that parsing effort it should be able to rise an appropriate
> > error message, telling the us
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I continued with my project and currently I can't build it
>> with
>> QtCreator.
>> That's probably my fault, cause I don't know cmake configuration .
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
> > FWIW, it works fine with 7.1 also.
>
> Debian stable uses V7.0.1 :O
Released in 2009...
I'd be surprised if Debian stable shipped Qt Creator 2.5.
Sorry to be blunt, but
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 05:41:01PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:45:53AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
> > wrote:
> > > The log is attached. (I changed the absolute path of my home
> > > directory to a '~')
> >
> >
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
> FWIW, it works fine with 7.1 also.
Debian stable uses V7.0.1 :O
Gero
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28.05.2012, 19:41, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:45:53AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>>> The log is attached. (I changed the absolute path of my home directory to
>>> a '~')
>> The documentation mentions
>>
>
On Monday 28 May 2012 - 00:05:33, Sascha Cunz wrote:
> On Sunday, 27. May 2012 22:08:18 I wrote:
> > Actually, QtCreator shows a clickable symbol near the changed definition
> > / declaration; if you click it (or hit alt-enter), QtCreator refactors
> > the counter part, BUT source navigation opens
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:45:53AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > The log is attached. (I changed the absolute path of my home directory to
> > a '~')
>
> The documentation mentions
>
> "The minimal supported version is 7.2. Using GDB versi
28.05.2012, 19:21, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> If there's an import wizard or something similar, I'm willing to change to use
> qmake.
Unfortunately it's impossible to transform sufficiently complex CMake project
into
equivalent qmake project. If you need better CMake support you may want to t
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Vojtěch Král wrote:
> Hi,
>just some thoughts...
>
> On 2012-05-28 06:48, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > If an ide needs another build-system, I expect, that it offers enuf
> > wizzards/dialogs, that I can manage the build without having to learn
> > the
> > build sui
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
> 28.05.2012, 13:31, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> > In netbeans I use plenty of compiler switches and enabled lots of
> > warnings. May be these options are hidden with cmake (passed by
> > environment?), but I'd like to know about the used compiler
Hi,
just some thoughts...
On 2012-05-28 06:48, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> If an ide needs another build-system, I expect, that it offers enuf
> wizzards/dialogs, that I can manage the build without having to learn
> the
> build suite.
This is quite a wrong assumption in case of QtCreato
28.05.2012, 13:31, "Geronimo Ma. Hernandez" :
> In netbeans I use plenty of compiler switches and enabled lots of warnings.
> May be these options are hidden with cmake (passed by environment?), but I'd
> like to know about the used compiler switches and probably like to enable
> additional warni
On Montag 28 Mai 2012, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I continued with my project and currently I can't build it
> > with
> > QtCreator.
> > That's probably my fault, cause I don't know cmake configuration ...
On Monday 28 May 2012 - 00:05:33, Sascha Cunz wrote:
> On Sunday, 27. May 2012 22:08:18 I wrote:
> > Actually, QtCreator shows a clickable symbol near the changed definition
> > / declaration; if you click it (or hit alt-enter), QtCreator refactors
> > the counter part, BUT source navigation opens
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I continued with my project and currently I can't build it
> with
> QtCreator.
> That's probably my fault, cause I don't know cmake configuration ...
> ... but I don't really want to spent time bothering with differen
Hello sirs,
thank you all for your attention.
When I read Christians post, which looked to me very dismissive and snotty, I
thought - I won't answer.
But then I read the posts from Sascha and André and I felt like you did
understand my intention. So I cooled down and now I try to answer all poi
On Sunday, 27. May 2012 22:08:18 I wrote:
> Actually, QtCreator shows a clickable symbol near the changed definition /
> declaration; if you click it (or hit alt-enter), QtCreator refactors the
> counter part, BUT source navigation opens the destination file and jumps the
> cursor there.
I just r
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 04:04:56PM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> Before I tried QtCreator, I heard rumors about QtCreator having the best
> debugging interface ... so most probably my expectations where wrong.
> The point is - my first thought was - I did something wrong, so I tried to
On Sunday, 27. May 2012 14:57:46 Cristian Tibirna wrote:
> On Sunday 27 May 2012 06:14:26 Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > - support refactoring (alt-enter) without changing the active editor (aka
> > refactoring in background)
>
> What do you mean? It seems to me this is what QtCreator does alre
On Sunday 27 May 2012 06:14:26 Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
>
> These are the issues (with decreasing importance), I missed most:
I guess there is a barrier of communication and it is also possible that you
"identified" things you are missing without having finished your exploration.
> - suppo
On Sonntag 27 Mai 2012, André Pönitz wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 06:14:26AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> > The biggest point - no variable has an content in debugging session. Bug
> > or misconfiguration?
>
> Please attach the debugger log (contents of the right pane of
> Windows->V
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 06:14:26AM +0200, Geronimo Ma. Hernandez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> its my first contact with QtCreator - and at first sight, I was really
> impressed. Very nice looking, very fast, very promising ...
> I very like the Todo-Plugin - very cool the supported different colors and
> th
Hi,
its my first contact with QtCreator - and at first sight, I was really
impressed. Very nice looking, very fast, very promising ...
I very like the Todo-Plugin - very cool the supported different colors and the
speed of synchronization!
I also very like the one-click navigation.
After few da
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