[VOTE] Release Apache HugeGraph (Incubating) 1.2.0 rc1

2023-12-23 Thread simon
.com/apache/incubator-hugegraph-commons/tree/1.2.0 (33fa9ed) Release notes: - https://hugegraph.apache.org/docs/changelog/hugegraph-1.2.0-release-notes/ Keys to verify the Release Candidate: - https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/hugegraph/KEYS The release GPG user ID: simon (m...@apache.org) The

[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache HugeGraph(incubating) 1.2.0 rc1

2023-12-28 Thread simon
Thanks for reviewing and voting for our release candidate. We will proceed with publishing the approved artifacts and sending out the announcement soon. Simon Cheung On behalf of Apache HugeGraph(Incubating) community

Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion

2004-08-06 Thread Simon Kitching
ways host the source code and associated development framework (newsgroups, email lists, etc) on your own site, or use the SourceForge site. If you let us know a little more about the business goals of Daffodil Software we may be able to offer better advice. Disclaimer: No responsibility is take

Re: RE:Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion

2004-08-17 Thread Simon Kitching
nfortunately, two attributes that are greatly useful when participating in open-source are Persistence and Patience :-) I recommend you read the documention at: http://incubator.apache.org for more information about how the ASF starts new projects. To members of the incubator PMC: now would be a good time to speak up if you disagree with anything I've said! Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
ed and that it is necessary to start again? * That because Apache is a well-respected player in the Java community that a project hosted at Apache will be so much better accepted that it is worth discarding all the Kaffe/Classpath work

Re: FAQ for Apache Harmony

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
SWT or any such "extension" libraries. Having SWT development hosted as a separate Apache project is another thing though - I would quite like to see that! Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
proposal seems *so* much work to reimplement stuff already done under the GPL (unless that code can be relicensed as described above). I'm curious to know what the benefit of all that work is.. Regards, Simon On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 22:34 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Simon, > >

Re: Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
orrect forum for that discussion? Please let me know; I'm subscribed to harmony-dev and am happy to follow up there if it's a better place. Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Simon Kitching wrote: > > > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an > > ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"? > > Not at all. Individual authors may contribute their ow

RE: Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
Sorry, the previous email was sent incomplete. I'll try again.. On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:45 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Simon Kitching wrote: > > > > > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'

RE: Harmony: project purpose

2005-05-06 Thread Simon Kitching
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:52 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote: > Sorry, the previous email was sent incomplete. I'll try again.. > > On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:45 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Simon Kitching

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Beehive into a TLP

2005-07-14 Thread Simon Kitching
f the code must apply for a patent license separately). The "legal issues" section of the beehive status page does not address patent issues. It would be good to confirm that this situation does not apply to Beehive. Sorry i

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Beehive into a TLP

2005-07-14 Thread Simon Kitching
? Regards, Simon On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 16:32 -0700, Kenneth Tam wrote: > Beehive doesn't currently have any implementations of the WS-* > standards, including WS-Security -- the intent was to at some point > look to other Apache projects that were implementing those standards >

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Beehive into a TLP

2005-07-15 Thread Simon Kitching
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 03:19 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Simon Kitching wrote: > > Could someone please provide information on any patents known to apply > > to this project? > > No, damnit. That is not how patents work! If we are notified o

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Beehive into a TLP

2005-07-15 Thread Simon Kitching
cular discussion does not impact the Beehive project. See the email of Sat, 16 Jul 2005 on legal-discuss with subject "IBM and Apache": http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200507.mbox/% [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: SVN repository disappeared?

2005-07-20 Thread Simon Kitching
the requested SVN filesystem Subversion access is working fine for me (both web browsing and command-line). Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Looking for a Champion

2013-06-05 Thread Simon Lucy
Andy Van Den Heuvel wrote: I'm looking for a Champion to help me setup a proposal. The project is a pluggable all-round job scheduling application. Not to be a killjoy but how is it different to Hudson/Jenkins? S Can somebody help me? Thanks for your consideration. -

Re: [PROPOSAL] Lucene.Net return to the Incubator

2011-01-12 Thread Simon Willnauer
+1 to this proposal - I am happy to see that this worked out and Lucene.Net moves forward! simon On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Troy Howard wrote: >> All, >> >> Please review our proposal for moving the Lucen

Re: [VOTE] Accept Lucene.Net for incubation

2011-01-28 Thread Simon Willnauer
+1 (not binding) On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: > On 01/26/2011 11:05 PM, Troy Howard wrote: >> >> All, >> >> Since posting the Lucene.Net Incubator proposal announcement on Jan >> 12th, we now have three mentors signed up and would like to call a >> vote to accept Lucene.

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Brouwer
community. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

OpenOffice / OpenOffice.org

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Brouwer
Hi Robert, all, I'd like to mention that OpenOffice.org is to be consistently written as such, not omitting the .org, because there are various companies around the world that have preceding rights to the name "Open Office" or similar. Best regards, Simon Op 2-6-2011

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Brouwer
Op 2-6-2011 15:30, Greg Stein schreef: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 09:21, Simon Brouwer wrote: Op 2-6-2011 15:04, Greg Stein schreef: ... If you would like to contribute here (possibly instead of, or in addition, to your work at TDF), then yes! Please add yourself into the proposal on the wiki. I

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Brouwer
Hi Jim, Op 2-6-2011 16:42, Jim Jagielski schreef: On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Simon Brouwer wrote: I had already been so bold as to adding myself to the list, expressing my support to the proposal. I was wondering though. In the OpenOffice.org project, many community members contribute in

Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Phipps
marcation of "new-project" and "business-as-usual-project" it will be very hard to disentangle the two sets of needs and fulfil the worthy objective at the start of the proposal, "Both Oracle and ASF agree that the OpenOffice.org developmen

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 02:32, Allen Pulsifer wrote: > Hello Simon, > > This is a noble proposal, but there are is an important prerequisite. The > LibreOffice is currently only accepting contributions licensed under the > LGPL. The LibreOffice project cannot take those contribut

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
That is what I was suggesting and which Rob claims he won't need because its so easy. {Terse? Mobile!} On Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM, "Jim Jagielski" wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > >> Hi Rob, >> >> On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 21:26 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: >>> Final

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote: > Hi Florian, > > >> I do see with great concern is the need for a second project to be set-up >> at Apache or any other entity. >> > > Thing is that this is done, Oracle didn't and won't now give the IP to any > other foundation. So we are where we

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Which is why I raised the question regarding TDF's ability to relicense > all > of the contributions it has received. As I understand it Noel, TDF accepts contributions under open source licenses alone and unlike ASF does not require a c

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very > similar suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these > two thre

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Ahhh... Yes I see something missing from Simons mail here. I assumed that > the LibreOffice distribution would gradually migrate to using the core > components proposed here (Apache ODFSuite as Simin called it) and thus > collaboration on th

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
s the opportunity? No, just the ASF. > > Maybe that is a nit, but of such nits confusion arises. > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > Cmon Jim, he wrote a lengthy monologue which spelled > > out his position. As I read it, we could license > > the O

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman > wrote: > > > >> Which is why I raised the question regarding TDF's ability to relicense > >

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > Just remember, we haven't yet even voted on whether or not to accept > the podling. > > These are decisions the podling should be making. > They can only make those decisions if they know they have to make them. I think it's very material to yo

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
Your proposed text also does not recognise possibilities for collaboration to protect the OpenOffice consumer end-user community in the interim while your project sorts itself out. S.

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz > wrote: > > Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: > >> I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the > > related communit

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > > > If I were voting on this incubator proposal (and of course I know I am > not), > > I would want to know that the people proposing it had a grasp of th

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > When I read Jim's email, I took it to mean your tweets[1]. Not your > emails to this list. Greg: I am being told by Sam Ruby to not talk about these topics so I will not respond apart from to acknowledge I am not ignoring you. S.

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:50 PM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/03/2011 02:33:21 PM: > > > > > Your proposed text also does not recognise possibilities for > collaboration > > to protect the OpenOffice consumer end-user community in the interim > while >

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:47, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> >> More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this >> collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treati

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 14:50, wrote: > > Greg Stein wrote on 06/03/2011 02:27:55 PM: > > > >> > >> Your proposed text does not cover the fact that TDF/LO can lift code > >> from ASF into their products. > >> > > > > This is true, but would yo

Re: OpenOffice - Wiki - Required Resources - Subversion vs. Mercurial vs. Git

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:40, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > >> We already had subversion for some time as the repository for the main > >> code and it didn't work well for a project this size. > > > > Tangential to the responses you've already rece

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of > telling TDF they have to switch to another license. But I do believe there's > a need

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> > >>&

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 21:14, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Posts such as: > > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3935136/LibreOffice-340-Released-as-OpenOffice-Heads-to-Apache.htm > > certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived division > as well as almost forcing the "other

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, dsh wrote: > > > > Besides that, I was asking myself why Rob is the only one who could > > add such a tone to the proposal? If there would be consensus that open > > and proactive collaboration with other parties i

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, dsh > wrote: > >> > > >> > Besides that, I

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
I suggest: "The LibreOffice project is an important partner in the OpenOffice.org community, with an established potentially highly complementary focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. We will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationsh

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
Given the generally positive response I've edited that text into the wiki. S. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Excellent. Thanks, Simon! > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 18:16, Simon Phipps wrote: > > I suggest: > > > > "The LibreOffice p

Re: Discussion with TDF/LO people (was: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO)

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > (like our invitation to general@incubator) ... Did I miss it? > > Actually I have not seen any invitations from anyone associated with this proposal on the LibreOffice and Document Foundation lists I subscribe to. I heard about it through perso

Re: Discussion with TDF/LO people (was: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO)

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
Sorry, hit send too soon. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > Now... with that said. Consider a typical person from the ASF who > might want to do that. Say.. like myself. I don't know what list to > subscribe to. (name only one!) ... If somebody can say what list that > ASF peo

Re: Discussion with TDF/LO people (was: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO)

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:23, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > >> (like our invitation to general@incubator) ... Did I miss it? > > > > Actually I have

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
t > > > 7) Join Apache and consolidate all development there, under the name ODF > Suite. > > a) Not willing to consider it > > b) Willing to consider it > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Simon Phipps +1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com

Re: Discussion with TDF/LO people (was: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO)

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
I can confirm I just saw your "Hello" message go out - awesome! S. On 4 Jun 2011, at 01:21, Greg Stein wrote: > I've now subscribed to libreoffice@, steering-discuss@, and discuss@. > I dropped a "hello" email to the lists, and am going into lurk mode > :-) > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:45, Den

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: > However I > will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for > advancing the cause of free software that the Apache License, Version > 2.0 is an appropriate choice: > > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html Have

Re: OO/LO License (Was: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO)

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:09, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Jochen Wiedmann > wrote: >> Excuse me for interrupting ... >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:01 AM, wrote: >> >>> LibreOffice uses a dual license LGPLv3/MPL. >> >> I've been reading MPL a few times in this

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby wrote: > >> > LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who > agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made > available. Until or unless we resolve that issue, I feel that the > statement above would need to be both qualifie

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: >>> However I >>> will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for >>> advancing the

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 13:18, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >>>> On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, "Sam Ruby&qu

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 18:18, Jim Jagielski wrote: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:43:50PM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> >>>> >>> LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who

Re: Recuse as mentor?

2011-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
I really can't see that as necessary Jim. S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF]

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Brouwer
company Open Office Automatisering since before OpenOffice.org was announced, see http://www.openoffice.nl/merkenregistratie Because of this and similar cases we need taking care to not omit the ".org" when indicating the project or the product OpenOffice.org. -- Vriendelijke

Re: [italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF]

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
I'm aware that Sun successfully challenged a problematic third party registration in Brazil just as the acquisition was going through. It may be worth early investigation in case the registration on Sun's behalf was not then completed; OOo had serious issues in Brazil over many years because of it.

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On 5 Jun 2011, at 19:15, Greg Stein wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 14:05, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> On 6/5/2011 10:43 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >>> >>> I posted a similar statement yesterday. Personally, I think the traffic on >>> this list has settled down a lot in the last 24 hours and is

Re: Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?)

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > No, we don't need the comprehensive list to start. > OK, that's good. It will be worth gathering a group of experts to build a comprehensive view. I suggest that include LibreOffice developers too. > After all that, then we can go back to O

Re: Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?)

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile < ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Concerning the extensions, by reading the file Sam Ruby uploaded, the > following > extensions are in the grant: > > > Thanks, I'd missed those. Reassuring :-) > > I don't see the MySQL C

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Brouwer
lding process. There are makefiles, patches etc., but no source code worth mentioning, in subdirectories stlport, openssl, hunspell, libxslt... It might be all of these: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/binaries/ -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > > It could be argued either way. I am sure if IBM put its efforts to > LibreOffice then I'm sure it would be a great success. So why doesn't > IBM want to take part when theres a great FOSS community already in > existence? > I am pretty s

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > > I don't think the proposal here is for OOo to enter incubation and then try > to copy everything that TDF/LO does. I assume the proposers have a vision > for where they want to go, even though they may be starting from the same > place. >

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 6/5/11 7:49 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Richard S. Hall> >wrote: >> >> I don't think the proposal here is for OOo to enter incubation and then >>> try >&

Re: OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > There is a pending trademark application for OpenOffice by Tightrope > Interactive so I am not sure that Apache OpenOffice would be acceptable > unless the pending application is turned down. > Actually that trademark application is of deep con

Re: Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?)

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > > I would recommend altering the proposal. "We have the set of files > > specified in the software grant. During incubation, we will seek a > > grant to the following groups of code: " > > > Done. > Beat me to it :-) We still need to get that list fles

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > The people who will only contribute to a copyleft license (and I know a few > OO contributors like that) will not come over this world .. so to that > extent this is a community fork and we cannot do brand sharing as that'll > confuse

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:37 AM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/05/2011 07:49:41 PM: > > > From: Simon Phipps > > I'm not clear how safe that assumption is - that's what I have been > waiting > > to see explained for quite a while actually. Rob has

Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:08 AM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/05/2011 08:38:08 PM: > > > > > > > > The people who will only contribute to a copyleft license (and I know > a few > > > OO contributors like that) will not come over this world .. so to tha

Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:29 AM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/05/2011 09:13:24 PM: > > > > > > > I think it would be great for TDF have an end-user downstream > deliverable. > > > It would be great if anyone open source project wants to do that.

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:24 AM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/05/2011 08:49:19 PM: > > => > > > I read all that Rob. Nothing in there about the plan to continue > creating, > > building and delivering OpenOffice.org on all the platforms and in all > the &g

Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
I still have no idea what you are talking about, not least since in this place we are all individuals. But I would be quite interested to understand why you have been trying so hard to stamp out all collaboration with the LibreOffice part of the OOo community right from the start. S. On Jun 6, 2

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Brouwer
Christian Lippka schreef: > Am 06.06.2011 00:28, schrieb Simon Brouwer: >> Op 5-6-2011 19:19, Christian Lippka schreef: >>> Hi Ralph, >>> >>> Am 05.06.2011 18:46, schrieb Ralph Goers: >>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>&g

Re: Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?)

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > > > >>> I would recommend altering the proposal. "We have the set of files > >>> specified

Re: Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?)

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Like most aspects of Apache, it's easier to ask for forgiveness > > than to seek permission, epecially when we don't all agree on > the necessity of it ;-). > > Given I had actually asked for and received permission from the proposal mentor I

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 6, 2011 2:58 PM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote: > > Because Apache will own the brand, we can make access to the brand > contingent on things like non-abuse of our OOo forums, among other > things. > > Carrots and sticks. Is Apache historically flexible in this area? I had the impression the tradem

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > > > Let's say we persuaded the good guys at Apache that this is a ploy to > > manipulate them and they reject the code. Where then will it go? If > > conspiracy is right it definitely won't be to TDF and it could be to > > somewhere a lot mor

OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think it's worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor TDF but I have a deep concern for OpenOffice.org and am very keen to see the community healed. Given that: * both LibreOffice (October, Paris) an

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On 6 Jun 2011, at 19:03, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think >> it's worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor >> TDF but

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Danese Cooper wrote: > However, it seems to me that October and November are still rather far > off, and with the wealth of conferences over the next two months, > perhaps we could set something up sooner than that? OSCON, anyone? > > I've just asked for a room at

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Danese Cooper wrote: > >> However, it seems to me that October and November are still rather far >> off, and with the wealth of conferences over the next two months, >> per

Re: List of files covered by the OpenOffice grant

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
I asked some LibreOffice folk what they thought was missing from the list. In addition to the stuff Christian listed (and the fact the list was not derived from the latest beta), they said that there are a large number of un-integrated work-in-progress patches in the form of CWSs that it would be i

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 15:04, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > It's just a meeting between colleagues. If all it does is > > break a little of the entrenched ice I'd call it a success. > > > > Sure beats email for dealing with emotions/trust. > > Right

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, wrote: > > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/06/2011 03:18:11 PM: > > > From: Simon Phipps > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Date: 06/06/2011 03:19 PM > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal > > > > On M

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
I've created a wiki page for us to co-ordinate who can attend what where. Do please edit at will, there are no rules and I am sure I made lots of mistakes :-) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/OOoCommunitySummit S.

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: > > > Hi Jim, all, > > > > 2011/6/4 Jim Jagielski : > >> > >> On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Personally, I think Oracle's choice had more to do with IBM's

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal - Budget Concerns

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > > > Note that an expo-hall pass is free until (and including) today; it's > > $25 thereafter. > > > > This also opens up the evening events Mon-Fri, which, if you're going > > to f

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
users commited to use ODF > just inside government is estimated in 3 million). > > Best, > > Jomar Silva > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands,

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
, Cor indicates that I nailed the matter quite squarely. > >--- Noel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Simon Phipps +1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Brouwer
independent OpenOffice.org community member, is that OpenOffice.org was, for most of its life, in excellent hands with Sun/Oracle all things considered. Given that Oracle has decided to pull away, I think handing it to an open source minded, vendor-neutral, mature, capable organization suc

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Brouwer
summary dealt with file lists and did not take file size into account. So that 50% in file count may represent a far bigger percentage of source code. The real question is whether anything essential is missing that Oracle can't supply and that is very difficult to replace. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer -*- nl.openoffice.org -*- http://www.opentaal.org -*- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Brouwer
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Behrens schreef: > Simon Brouwer wrote: >> The real question is whether anything essential is missing that Oracle >> can't supply and that is very difficult to replace. >> > If you re-read Christian's mail, the answer to both is "yes&q

Re: OpenOffice & LibreOffice

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) > > On 7 Jun 2011, at 09:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik > wrote: > > > On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:45, Keith Curtis wrote: > > > > ... > >> LibreOffice will for a long time be using a substantial amoun

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 07.06.2011 12:37, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > >> Mathias Bauer wrote: >> >>> I don't think that this is really necessary *now*, as we can do that >>> even better and more efficiently when we actually work on the code >>> from the svn reposit

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Phipps
I just heard back from the Open World Forum Programme Committee (Paris, October) and they would be pleased to provide us with space for a meeting. S.

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