Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > Oh! I thought that the sysadmin loads preserved history... > > I believe they do -- they just don't add themselves > to the history. But if you know the

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Oh! I thought that the sysadmin loads preserved history... I believe they do -- they just don't add themselves to the history. But if you know the dates of the imports, you can still discriminate -- but those dates aren't s

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Oh! I thought that the sysadmin loads preserved history... Garrett Rooney wrote: On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrett Rooney wrote: On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My question was slightl

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>My question was slightly different, related to commits before the import > >>date vs the co

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrett Rooney wrote: > On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>My question was slightly different, related to commits before the import >>date vs the commits after the import date for the same id. > > Yeah, there's no easy way t

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > >>> Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > >>> > Here are

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Garrett Rooney wrote: On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Here are the SVN names for everyone who has committed to each of the trees: (Question : are those people

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 3/20/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > > > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > > >> Here are the SVN names for > >> everyone who has committed to each of the trees: > > > (Question : are those pe

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > >> Here are the SVN names for >> everyone who has committed to each of the trees: > (Question : are those people who committed here at the ASF, or does it > include people who committed i

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Davanum Srinivas wrote: Answering my own question, there are 27 people on the proposal. Here's the list of folks who actually made any commits (grand total of 15) Those are interesting -- though potentially meaningl

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-18 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Answering my own question, there are 27 people on the proposal. Here's > the list of folks who actually made any commits (grand total of 15) Those are interesting -- though potentially meaningless -- data. Let's try applying

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On 3/16/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/16/06, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +1 - although I wonder if it would be worth letting new projects report > > each month for the first 3 months? > > ++1. This follows the Board's treatment of new TLPs so that we can >

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Kienenberger
On 3/17/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > remember committing stuff is not the only way to be a > participant. I'm always scared of these kinds of metrics -- > people tend to abuse them (not saying you are). As an example I > have not committed a single line of code to harmony but I think

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-17 Thread Leo Simons
Dims, remember committing stuff is not the only way to be a participant. I'm always scared of these kinds of metrics -- people tend to abuse them (not saying you are). As an example I have not committed a single line of code to harmony but I think most people would agree I am an active part of its

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Mads Toftum wrote: -- ensure that the quarterly report is provided to the Incubator PMC +1 - although I wonder if it would be worth letting new projects report each month for the first 3 months? +1 good idea -dain -

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 3/16/06, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is a good point - a project that can't raise the interest > of more than one member is likely to struggle with generating enough > interest and attracting enough of a community in the future. Sure - but there's a marked difference b

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 3/16/06, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 - although I wonder if it would be worth letting new projects report > each month for the first 3 months? ++1. This follows the Board's treatment of new TLPs so that we can ensure the start-up goes smoothly. -- justin -

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Upayavira
Mads Toftum wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 07:31:05AM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: >> Considering the number of proposals coming at the incubator >> these days, and the concerns raised about that fact, perhaps >> needing multiple ASF people with enthusiasm about each is >> precisely a rea

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Mads Toftum
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 07:31:05AM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > Considering the number of proposals coming at the incubator > these days, and the concerns raised about that fact, perhaps > needing multiple ASF people with enthusiasm about each is > precisely a reasonable governor. > -

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-16 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 01:49:13PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project > -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial > PPMC as consisting of the Mentors. > -- Upon project acceptance, we should immediately > create the [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread David Jencks
I'm not sure what is going on with that, I have commtted work to AMQ although it has been quite a while. Why are you looking only at the branches? And in particular why not include amq 4? thanks david jencks On Mar 14, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Hmmm... svn log svn://sv

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Hmmm... svn log svn://svn.activemq.org/activemq/scm/branches/activemq-3/activemq | grep "|" | cut -f 2 -d "|" | sort | uniq gives me just 15: aco ammulder brianm chirino djcook foconer gnt jgapuz jlim jstrachan maguro pbrooke pvillacorta rajdavies rsaba -- dims On 3/14/06, Alan

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Yes, to cover that a Software Grant and an iCLA is enough. -- dims On 3/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIUC, they all contributed code to the AMQ project. > > > Regards, > Alan > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > What i'd be interested to know is how many of the 17 Non-Apache > >

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: -- Once established, the PPMC shall -- work to make sure that the other resources are put into place. - -0. Mentor's job, not a PPMC one. While I think that the mentors should be ultimately responsible for this, it

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
IIUC, they all contributed code to the AMQ project. Regards, Alan Davanum Srinivas wrote: What i'd be interested to know is how many of the 17 Non-Apache Committers noted on the proposal[1] got Apache id's and of them how many of them actually made any commits to the Apache SVN repo. [1] http

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Brian McCallister
On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: And continuning the discussion from the OpenJPA proposal thread, do the other 27 - 15 = 12 people on the proposal get moved into non-committer status? Speaking as one of those twelve, I'd greatly appreciate not being removed just because I am

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, On 3/14/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Answering my own question, there are 27 people on the proposal. Here's > the list of folks who actually made any commits (grand total of 15) > > Are we stretching the requirement for diversity a bit too far? And continuning the discu

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Answering my own question, there are 27 people on the proposal. Here's the list of folks who actually made any commits (grand total of 15) Are we stretching the requirement for diversity a bit too far? aco adc bsnyder chirino dblevins dflores djcook foconer gnodet gregw jgapuz jlim jstrachan pvil

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
What i'd be interested to know is how many of the 17 Non-Apache Committers noted on the proposal[1] got Apache id's and of them how many of them actually made any commits to the Apache SVN repo. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ActiveMqProposal On 3/14/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Jencks wrote: > > I think I'm seeing too much incipient dogmatism here. A little while > ago I remember reading about how it was possible for code to zip > through the incubator on its way to become part of an existing > project, resting

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > Now, I have no problem with recommending or encouraging multiple > mentors - but if we have a member who says that project Foo is a great > idea and no one else is inclined to mentor it, I don't think it should > be the re

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project -1. +1 to encourage 3+ to mentor, but it's not worth having folks step up to mentor a project simply because 'they need three' - quoting Justin's thoughts - with which I wholeheartedly

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 3/13/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -1. +1 to encourage 3+ to mentor, but it's not worth having folks > > step up to mentor a project simply because 'they need three' - > > quoting Justin's thoughts - with which I wholeheartedly agree. We > > don't need body counts,

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread David Jencks
On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial PPMC as consisting of the Mentors. I'd like to add that

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >> >> -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project > > -1. +1 to encourage 3+ to mentor, but it's not worth having folks > step up to mentor a project simply because 'they need three' - > quoting Justin's thoughts - w

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 More detailed response. Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project At least 2, anyway. Nice-to-have: at least one that doesn't have a vested interest in the package. > -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project > -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial > PPMC as consisting of the Mentors. I'd like to add that I think a PPMC is a requirement, not a 'nice-to-have.'

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: We have the notion of a PPMC, but I don't believe that we are making as effective use of them as we should. This is effecting our ability to scale, and allowing things to fall into the cracks. In addition, people are not as clear as they should be on how the Incubation Pr

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 3/13/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project As before when we 'voted' on this, I am -1 on this idea. My post was: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Might we close that VOTE thr

Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We have the notion of a PPMC, but I don't believe that we are making as effective use of them as we should. This is effecting our ability to scale, and allowing things to fall into the cracks. In addition, people are not as clear as they should be on how the Incubation Process works. So ... --