Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-29 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (HE12025-06-28): > MUA "bounce" is not exactly the same (the user has a chance to > specify *which* address to send the bounce to, for one), but > technically so close (as much of the headers as possible remains > unchanged), that calling it a bounce does make sense. This is not a

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-28 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 11:52:33AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley: > > > It is not the accepted meaning of the term. > > > https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce > > Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-28 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley: It is not the accepted meaning of the term. https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users will need to grasp. I can assure you that mutt’s meaning of bounce is older

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
On 27/06/2025 23:46, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has already been delivered to its recipients. I am not proposing anything. I am *explaining*.

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
On 27/06/2025 17:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 05:04:14PM +0900, John Crawley wrote: BTW why does your message here have my email address as To:, and CC: to the list, even though I had no Reply-to: header in the message you are replying to? Because I replied using "group

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 16:43:00 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: > Do people our age need explaining that words can have multiple > meanings, especially technical words used in different fields? Hear, hear. Especially after this thread has shown exactly that to a fault. -- Does anybody read signatures

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:47 AM Greg wrote: > > On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> > >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so > >> your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has > >> already been delivered to its recipients. > > > > I am not

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > It is not the accepted meaning of the term. Did you not already tell that? Was not Greg Wooledge precisely replying to that? -- Nicolas George

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so >> your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as the email has >> already been delivered to its recipients. > > I am not proposing anything. I am *explaining*. > > This is the termi

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an email that has > not been delivered to its recipient. It is sent back to the sender with > an error message. > > https://www.altospam.com/en/glossary/bounce/ Do people our age need explaining that not everything

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 13:46:40 -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > To be clear, what we're talking about here is what mutt does when you > > press the "b" key. It queues up a message for delivery, where the > > Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by t

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 02:19:22PM -, Greg wrote: > What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an email that has > not been delivered to its recipient. It is sent back to the sender with > an error message. > > https://www.altospam.com/en/glossary/bounce/ The word "bounce" in

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg (HE12025-06-27): >> Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server* > > No, that is not accurate. Server rejecting a mail and server bouncing a > mail are different mechanism. What is a Bounce Email? Definition: A bounce email is an

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list

2025-06-27 Thread Nicolas George
Greg (HE12025-06-27): > Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server* No, that is not accurate. Server rejecting a mail and server bouncing a mail are different mechanism. The server rejects the mail by returning an error code at SMTP level. No bounce is generated. If the ser

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-27, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > To be clear, what we're talking about here is what mutt does when you > press the "b" key. It queues up a message for delivery, where the Bounce can and does mean a rejection of the email by the *server*, so your proposal seems nonsensical or confusing, as

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 05:04:14PM +0900, John Crawley wrote: [...] > I may be wrong here but my understanding of "bounce" is that the software > responsible for delivering a message (what I referred to as the "server") > decides not to deliver it, and sends it back to the original address. So

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread John Crawley
On 27/06/2025 16:13, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: [...] I think "bouncing" is something that should really be done on a server, not by a user email agent, even a "good" one. Why do you think so? At least I gave a reason why bouncing

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-27 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: [...] > I think "bouncing" is something that should really be done on a server, not > by a user email agent, even a "good" one. Why do you think so? At least I gave a reason why bouncing from the MUA makes sense, and another for why

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Thomas Dineen
So when do you plan to stop replying??? On 6/26/2025 6:58 PM, John Crawley wrote: On 26/06/2025 01:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 12:09 AM John Crawley wrote: > > On 26/06/2025 01:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: > >> On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> > This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce > the

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 11:29:23PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54 +0900, John Crawley wrote: > > The Debian Wiki has these suggestions for how to deal with spam: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#nominate > > The fourth option there says:

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 10:58:54 +0900, John Crawley wrote: > The Debian Wiki has these suggestions for how to deal with spam: > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#nominate The fourth option there says: * Use your mail client's bounce/resend/redirect functionality to send

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-26 Thread John Crawley
On 26/06/2025 01:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the original message"? By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones h

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-25 Thread Greg
On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the >> original message"? > > By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones have it. > >> Does that mean forward the message to the report-listspam? > > No. Forwarding an

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-25 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:18:05PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-06-24, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > >> This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the > >> original message"? > > > > By using the "bounce" feature of your MUA. Only good ones have it. > > > >> Does that me

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread tomas
(this feels kind of right for G). Whatever. I'd say the g in gmail stands i for "garbage" (not that hotmail and its ilk were any better, mind you). My take is that the Big Ones conspire (consciously or unconsciously) to make mail less useful. Poison the well to sell bottled water. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Dan Hitt
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 4:50 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 16:33:38 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > > if you want to do everyone a favour, you bounce the original message > > > to to help the list spam team train > > > their filters (I d

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 16:33:38 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > if you want to do everyone a favour, you bounce the original message > > to to help the list spam team train > > their filters (I did). > This like sounds like good and important advice, but how

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 04:33:38PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > Hi Tomás, > > This like sounds like good and important advice, but how do you "bounce the > original message"? This is something that your MUA (Mail reader) should do. It will be different for every MUA. I use mutt - that has got a 'bo

Re: Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread Dan Hitt
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 3:09 AM wrote: > > > Please, don't do that. You amplify the spam and incommodate the ~3k > subscribers of this list. Then you top-post and include the full spam > body, to make extra sure everybody has seen it. > > Not good. > > if you want to do everyone a favour, yo

Please, don't reply to spam -- much less on list [was: ግěcůžላኣዝዩ]

2025-06-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 09:45:43AM +0200, 🦓 wrote: > Schick einfach das Geld rüber und verpiss Dich aus geldbefreiten > Kommunistinnenkommunen! Bravo. That must have felt... great for you. Please, don't do that. You amplify the spam and incommodate the ~3k subscribers of this list. Then you top-p

Re: confusing printer definitions [solved, more or less]

2025-03-24 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
On Thursday, March 20, 2025 4:52 PM, I wrote: > The software setup for my Brother DCP-L2640DW driverless laser printer is > confusing the hell out of me. I'm running bookworm. > ... CUPS (apparently) set up a printer Brother_DCP_L2640DW_USB automatically. > ... I also installed the driver (DCPL26

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-11 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, Thank you everyone for your last replies. Everything you suggested works as expected. Bottom line: * less: no quick/immediate way (i.e. like a shortcut) to save only the filter output. One needs to pipe through `grep` with the same filter(s) in `less` shell * vim (but it certainly works

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-07 Thread David Wright
On Wed 07 Apr 2021 at 08:30:30 (+), Curt wrote: > On 2021-04-07, David Wright wrote: > >> > > >> > But I don't know how vim would do on-the-fly filtering like > >> > less can do with & (not being very familiar with vim). > >> > &

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-07 Thread Curt
On 2021-04-07, David Wright wrote: >> > >> > But I don't know how vim would do on-the-fly filtering like >> > less can do with & (not being very familiar with vim). >> >> :g/pattern/.w! >> output.txt >> >> I pressed 'v&

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-06 Thread David Wright
as 'view' can be used > >> > instead of 'less', with all the power of an advanced editor at your > >> > disposal. > > > > … or '| vim -R -' or even '| vim -' in place of '| less'. > > > > But I don'

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-06 Thread David Wright
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 08:34:24 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 05 apr 21, 22:29:31, David Wright wrote: > > > > But I don't know how vim would do on-the-fly filtering like > > less can do with & (not being very familiar with vim). > > A quick web se

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2021-04-06, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 01:09:09 (+0100), jr wrote: >> on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:44:28 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> > If you are willing to learn (neo)vim, '(n)vim -R' as 'view' can be used >> > instead of 'les

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-05 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 05 apr 21, 22:29:31, David Wright wrote: > > But I don't know how vim would do on-the-fly filtering like > less can do with & (not being very familiar with vim). A quick web search suggests: :v/pattern/d press 'u' to undo or ':w filename.txt

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-05 Thread David Wright
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 01:09:09 (+0100), jr wrote: > on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:44:28 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > If you are willing to learn (neo)vim, '(n)vim -R' as 'view' can be used > > instead of 'less', with all the power of an advanced editor at your &g

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-05 Thread jr
on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:44:28 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > If you are willing to learn (neo)vim, '(n)vim -R' as 'view' can be used > instead of 'less', with all the power of an advanced editor at your > disposal. or just press 'v' in 'less'? -

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-05 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 29 mar 21, 01:20:18, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > > Actually, I asked this question because of my workflow here. > > First, I use the less pager to navigate quickly inside an input, not knowing > beforehand what it looks like and what I will need to do. > Then, I filter some

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-04-04 Thread l0f4r0
e pattern, > and so on, using Left/RightArrow, or even use " if the > pattern itself contains ' characters. > > I tend to paste with Shift-Insert (needs less hand-eye coordination). > It works indeed. I just thought there was an immediate, simple and dedicated command for that. I suppose everyone's needs/workflows are different ;) Thanks & Best regards, l0f4r0

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread David Wright
e | and respond appropriately to the mark: prompt, . type your shell command: . grep ' . paste the pattern with whichever button you use . ' > filename Using the ' quote will cater for most patterns, though you might have to adjust for any backslashes in the pattern, and so on, us

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread l0f4r0
check the man pages). > > if you are taking the input to grep from some other > command you can pipe the output of that command to the > grep command and then redirect what comes out of that > into a file: > > $ command | grep pattern > outputfile > > less and mo

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread songbird
l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi, > > Strictly speaking, my question is not on Debian itself, but on usage of less > command running on my Buster (487-0.1+b1). > > Is there a way to save *filtered* less results in a file or on stdout please? > > What I mean by "filtered&qu

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread l0f4r0
Hi David and thanks for your feedback. 28 mars 2021, 21:27 de deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: > When you've used > & pattern > to display lines containing your pattern, then > | . grep pattern > filename > will apply the same filter to the lines selected by | ., where > I've used . but you could use

Re: How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread David Wright
On Sun 28 Mar 2021 at 20:38:08 (+0200), l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > > Strictly speaking, my question is not on Debian itself, but on usage of less > command running on my Buster (487-0.1+b1). > > Is there a way to save *filtered* less results in a file or on stdout please? >

How to save filtered less results in a file or on stdout

2021-03-28 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, Strictly speaking, my question is not on Debian itself, but on usage of less command running on my Buster (487-0.1+b1). Is there a way to save *filtered* less results in a file or on stdout please? What I mean by "filtered" is results obtained via "&" or "&

leapsecond file ('/usr/share/zoneinfo/leap-seconds.list'): will expire in less than 27 days

2020-12-01 Thread Marc SCHAEFER
.list'): will expire in less than 27 days A quick Internet search shows this: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg59571.html Apparently, the Debian distributed file will expire on 2020-12-28. However, it seems the next Debian point release scheduled on 2020-12-05 c

Re: [SOLVED, mor or less] System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-03-02 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 11:50:09AM +, G.W. Haywood wrote: > ...There were in fact three instances of Postgres running (9.4, 9.6 > and 11.7) after the two jumps from Jessie to Stretch to Buster... I don't think this is related to your perfo

Re: neovim and less

2019-11-04 Thread R Ransbottom
;:! perldoc -f close > > > > or > > > >:! cat some_file | less > > > > brings me directly to the end of the file output, leaving me with > > the nvim message: > > > >Press ENTER or type command to continue > > > >

Re: neovim and less

2019-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 02:27:19PM -0400, R Ransbottom wrote: Issuing a ex command like :! perldoc -f close or :! cat some_file | less brings me directly to the end of the file output, leaving me with the nvim message: Press ENTER or type command to continue requiring me to

neovim and less

2019-11-02 Thread R Ransbottom
Hi all, Neovim and/or less are not performing as I would like in one regard: when invoked from nvim ex prompt the pager goes directly to the end of input. Thanks for any help. Details: Issuing a ex command like :! perldoc -f close or :! cat some_file | less brings me directly to

Re: Grub-less installation of stretch

2018-10-09 Thread David Wright
On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 23:41:44 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 08/10/2018 à 22:23, David Wright a écrit : > > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 20:20:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > > > So it may be advisable to install at least grub-common and use > > > grub-mkconfig to generate /boot/grub/grub

Re: Grub-less installation of stretch

2018-10-08 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 08/10/2018 à 22:23, David Wright a écrit : On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 20:20:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: So it may be advisable to install at least grub-common and use grub-mkconfig to generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg. If you also want to automatically update grub.cfg after a kernel package ins

Re: Grub-less installation of stretch

2018-10-08 Thread David Wright
> Step 5: Now I'm back running jessie (whence I executed the > > debootstrap and so on). > > > > # grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > > > which will os-prober the new grub-less system and add entries for it under > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober #

Re: Grub-less installation of stretch

2018-10-08 Thread Pascal Hambourg
it's there. (IOW I wouldn't deliberately be installing it. I see no dependencies.) Step 4 as above. Step 5: Now I'm back running jessie (whence I executed the debootstrap and so on). # grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg which will os-prober the new grub-less system and a

Grub-less installation of stretch

2018-10-08 Thread David Wright
(where I'm installing all the packages I want on the new system) remove grub if it's there. (IOW I wouldn't deliberately be installing it. I see no dependencies.) Step 4 as above. Step 5: Now I'm back running jessie (whence I executed the debootstrap and so on). # grub-mkconfig &

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-11 Thread David Wright
how to deal with that crisis. No, but when everything depends on one machine, you don't do stupid things like upgrading to testing. > > If yes, say so. > > Are you talking to me? I am one of this privileged well off people to > have hardware that can run Stretch and Sid a

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-11 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-11 08:39 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata: Did including iomem=relaxed on your cmdline solve your problem, or did it not? I wouldn't know, the person for which I installed Debian for will not dare switch to Stretch after this experience, will not even talk about it.

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-11 Thread GiaThnYgeia
e you talking to me? I am one of this privileged well off people to have hardware that can run Stretch and Sid and all kinds of things. Send some snail-mail to the less privileged who have lost access to the net to ask them. > Supporting ancient hardware forever is not going to happen. A 2.33M

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-11 Thread GiaThnYgeia
deloptes: > songbird wrote: > >> did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log? > > I doubt he does know about it You doubt or you know? I knew about it but I did not check it. There are many logs on /var/log and its subdirectories. Can I interpret 3% of what they say? No! Do I need to in order to ins

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-10 20:40 (UTC): Felix Miata composed: Debian-user is a user support forum, not a developer forum: Debian Mailing Lists debian-user Community assistance and support for Debian users. Support for Debian users who speak English. https://list

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread deloptes
songbird wrote: > did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log? I doubt he does know about it

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-10 14:32 (UTC): > >> you are responding technically in solving a technical problem that >> I presented. For this I thank you. What I am now saying is that it is >> unacceptable as a practice. At least there should be a patch installed >> of listed u

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-10 14:32 (UTC): you are responding technically in solving a technical problem that I presented. For this I thank you. What I am now saying is that it is unacceptable as a practice. At least there should be a patch installed of listed unsupported hardware that on

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-10 10:18 (UTC): >> Felix Miata: >> Would this be IT? >>1 sudo nano /etc/default/grub >>2 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet iomem=relaxed" >>3 sudo update-grub > > It would be #1 below, the step to take after proving that iomem=relaxed > is necessary f

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-10 10:18 (UTC): Felix Miata: GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 15:16 (UTC): Felix Miata composed: IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver to work with your

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=847154 > * From Linux 4.8, several changes have been made in the kernel > configuration to 'harden' the system, i.e. to mitigate security bugs. > Some changes may cause legitimate applications to fail, and can be > reverted by run-tim

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 15:16 (UTC): > >> Felix Miata composed: > >>> IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on >>> kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver >>> to work with your gfxchip in Stretch. > >> Thank you f

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 15:16 (UTC): Felix Miata composed: IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver to work with your gfxchip in Stretch. Thank you for the help in answering the puzz

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
g.0.log when the upgrade failed the DM and there > is a new Jessie installation on it now which works fine (slow as hell > but fine .. light years faster than WinXP though). It is not mine to > mess with it anymore, I simply installed debian as a toolbox to cure and > backup old data

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on > kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver > to work with your gfxchip in Stretch. Thank you for the help in answering the puzzle, but how is a semi-i-literate person able to translate t

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 13:45 (UTC): Felix Miata: GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 10:22 (UTC): See attached file for complete lshw of the failed stretch upgrade You need to do it again but without lshw outputting in xml format. With no switches lshw outputs in plain text,

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 10:22 (UTC): See attached file for complete lshw of the failed stretch upgrade You need to do it again but without lshw outputting in xml format. With no switches lshw outputs in plain text, exactly the right format for an email attachment. However: 'inx

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
as hell but fine .. light years faster than WinXP though). It is not mine to mess with it anymore, I simply installed debian as a toolbox to cure and backup old data from the drive on that machine. I think with a meg or two of Ram this could be a very functional computer for a kid to learn debian.

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-04 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 18:22 (UTC): Felix Miata: GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 13:51 (UTC): ... Still, if Debian8 runs why does Debian9 fail? Simple upgrade from 8 to > 9, nothing else changed. Kernel changed from 3.16 to 4.9, big difference if you have the wrong gfxchip:

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-04 Thread songbird
GiaThnYgeia wrote: ... > Still, if Debian8 runs why does Debian9 fail? Simple upgrade from 8 to > 9, nothing else changed. As soon as the update/grade finished and it is > rebooted it is all black. Scraping the LXDE/lightdm/Openbox the login > screen works fine and runs apt and everything else

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-04 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 13:51 (UTC): > ... >> This must be a 15y old machine, at least. I think it is a very early >> Celeron > processor with about 256k video memory. > > What do 'lspci | grep VGA' and/or 'inxi -c0 -v1' show? One of the reasons I wrote the post is to

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-04 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 13:51 (UTC): ... This must be a 15y old machine, at least. I think it is a very early Celeron > processor with about 256k video memory. What do 'lspci | grep VGA' and/or 'inxi -c0 -v1' show? Still, if Debian8 runs why does Debian9 fail? Simple upgrade from

Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-04 Thread GiaThnYgeia
I installed several times 8.7.1 LXDE and as soon as I forced Stretch on it it will boot up but will not bring up a graphic display. Attempts to revert and/or switch from LightDM to LXDM did not cure the problem. The second time I updated 8.7.1 to its latest and then tried to make the switch to Deb

dnsmasq logging less verbose

2014-12-16 Thread Chris
Dear All, is it possible to make dnsmasq 2.62 (Wheezy) less verbose? Especially, it shouldn't log every DHCP request. I've tried --quiet-dhcp, --quiet-dhcp6, --quiet-ra but they seem to work in another version in Ubuntu only. -- Gruß, Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:51:34 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > I meant > > /etc/init.d/nmbd > /etc/init.d/smbd > > Kind regards, > Andrei LOL, same here (in my advice on troubleshooting to Pierre)_. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training *

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > > > are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of > > Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly > > chased your tail for hours or days. > >

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: how come nmbd and smbd are launched, although the links in all /etc/rcxx to /etc/init.d/samba have been removed ? I found the answer: it was obvious but rather unexpected: the samba packages installs in /etc/init.d the samba AND nmbd and s

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 22:26:02, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >> > >> running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: > >> samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba > >> da

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly chased your tail for hours or days. I'm quite sure, because: 1/ there are a lot of bug reports against samba about thi

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba daemons are started (nmbd and smbd) This still not answers to my questi

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > The samba package does not properly clean up it's config files on > > upgrades. See the RC bug that's filed against samba. > > > > Run "update-rc.d samba remove" to fix that. > > >

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: >samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba daemons > are started (nmbd and smbd) >This still not answers to my question. Why are you grepping for 'samba'

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Peter Viskup wrote: Hi Pierre, you can answer your question by yourself by having a look into directory /lib/systemd/system and read systemctl man page. Small hint could be to run 'systemctl -a -t service' command. Some more information about systemd in Debain can be read o

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Peter Viskup
Hi Pierre, you can answer your question by yourself by having a look into directory /lib/systemd/system and read systemctl man page. Small hint could be to run 'systemctl -a -t service' command. Some more information about systemd in Debain can be read on Wiki https://wiki.debian.org/systemd. Hope

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: The samba package does not properly clean up it's config files on upgrades. See the RC bug that's filed against samba. Run "update-rc.d samba remove" to fix that. hi Michael, I saw the thread concerning the bug report against samba, but only saw

Re: how to shtdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > oops! sorry for the error in the subject: obviously, I meant > "shutdown" and not "boot" > I think better to re-submit with the correct subject > > hi, > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > has a big

how to shtdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
oops! sorry for the error in the subject: obviously, I meant "shutdown" and not "boot" I think better to re-submit with the correct subject hi, it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, mainly for samba (5

Re: Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account

2014-04-27 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:27:31 -0700 Patrick Bartek napísal: > > As said a few days ago, if I was able to create a gmail account > without signing up for Google+, too, I would post how I did it. > Chrome is my default browser, and all below was done with it. > > > SET

Re: Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account

2014-04-26 Thread Go Linux
On Sat, 4/26/14, Patrick Bartek wrote: Subject: Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Saturday, April 26, 2014, 11:27 PM As said a few days ago, if I was able to create a gmail account without signing

Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account

2014-04-26 Thread Patrick Bartek
As said a few days ago, if I was able to create a gmail account without signing up for Google+, too, I would post how I did it. Chrome is my default browser, and all below was done with it. SETTING UP A GOOGLE+LESS GMAIL ACCOUNT 1. Go to 'mail.google.com' 2. Click on "Create

Re: [SOLVED LESS]Grub does not recognize lvm physical volume by uuid after restart

2014-04-21 Thread KS
On 21/04/14 03:01 PM, KS wrote: > On 04/04/14 01:02 AM, André Nunes Batista wrote: >> On Tue, 2014-04-01 at 20:39 +0100, Joe wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Grub2 2.02~beta2-8 packages now available in sid, booting OK for me. >> >> Less is more, Joe!

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