there seems to be a better email/newsgroup program for linux

2022-06-05 Thread sp...@caiway.net
Let's find out! Arne

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-11 Thread s. keeling
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Darko wrote: > > > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > > mailing list > > debian-user mailing list can be accessed as a news group. You can

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Nov 10, 10:30 am, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Darko wrote: > > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > > mailing list > > debian-user mailing list can be accessed as a

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-11 Thread Paul Csanyi
Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:48:50 +0100 keltezéssel Pál Csányi azt írta: > 2007/11/10, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On 11/10/2007 03:22 PM, Pál Csányi wrote: >> > 2007/11/10, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > >> >> Using linux.debian.user is possible only if you have access to a news >

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-11 Thread Pál Csányi
2007/11/10, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 11/10/2007 03:22 PM, Pál Csányi wrote: > > 2007/11/10, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Using linux.debian.user is possible only if you have access to a news > >> server. For me that is not the case. So I use the free http://gmane.

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Ralph Katz
On 11/10/2007 03:22 PM, Pál Csányi wrote: > 2007/11/10, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Using linux.debian.user is possible only if you have access to a news >> server. For me that is not the case. So I use the free http://gmane.org 's >> server using which almost all the debian ma

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/10/07, Darko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > mailing list Look at linux.debian.user or news.gmane.org -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Pál Csányi
2007/11/10, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Using linux.debian.user is possible only if you have access to a news > server. For me that is not the case. So I use the free http://gmane.org 's > server using which almost all the debian mailing lists can be read as news > groups. I try

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Darko wrote: > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > mailing list debian-user mailing list can be accessed as a news group. You can read/post on this news group just like debian-user mailing

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Ralph Katz
On 11/10/2007 12:02 PM, Darko wrote: > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > mailing list > debian-user is available on several newsgroups. I read this o

Re: Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Thilo Six
Darko wrote the following on 10.11.2007 18:02 > I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop > debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's > mailing list you mean s.th. like: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user ? bye -- Thilo key:

Newsgroup

2007-11-10 Thread Darko
I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-28 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Yey! I am using Gmane (this is a test to see if I can post) Woo! Sincerely... Steven Maddox (Architect) Function Office http://www.functionoffice.com David Claughton wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: It's been observed that linux.debian.user doesn't send mail2news posts back to the list on a con

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread P Kapat
pop message when I tried to subscribe to debian-user from gmane.linux.debian.user.. The message read: You have subscribed to a moderated newsgroup. Your articles will not appear in the group immediately. They have to go through a moderation process. I guess that is a generic message of

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 23:53 -0400, P Kapat wrote: > On 4/26/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:34:36PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: > > > Lo folks, > [snip] > > > > > > So I discover the list.debian.user group on usenet - yey! However...

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread John Hasler
P Kapat writes: > ...this is a moderated list... No. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread David Claughton
to Mail or NNTP, you could look at Nabble.com, which makes mailing lists look like web-based forums. I just registered for an account myself :-) Cheers, David. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-List-vs-Newsgroup-tf3654740.html#a10217659 Sent from the Debian User

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > Lo folks, > > Been using the mailing list for this (and also the Zinf, FreeDOS and > FreeNX mailing lists) for a little while now. You have to go through > the rigmarole of confirming your email a

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-27 Thread Paul Johnson
P Kapat wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > You can certainly mail, but since this is a moderated list, your mail > will wait for a manual green flag from the moderator. As a consequence > what happens is the mail ends up a few days late. Where'd you get the

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-26 Thread P Kapat
On 4/26/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:34:36PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: > Lo folks, [snip] > > So I discover the list.debian.user group on usenet - yey! However... > can I remove myself from the mailing list and still post here us

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-26 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > And of course we never look > down on anyone... ;^) What? No one uses google earth? Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P

Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:34:36PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: > Lo folks, > > Been using the mailing list for this (and also the Zinf, FreeDOS and > FreeNX mailing lists) for a little while now. You have to go through > the rigmarole of confirming your email address and such etc et

Mailing List vs Newsgroup

2007-04-26 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Lo folks, Been using the mailing list for this (and also the Zinf, FreeDOS and FreeNX mailing lists) for a little while now. You have to go through the rigmarole of confirming your email address and such etc etc.. However mailing lists are a pain as even tho I've got my thunderbird to put t

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > On 04/03/07 08:27, michael wrote: >> I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) >> but can't get it to work... anybody else succeeded? > >

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-04 Thread Ed G
able. That's what I use to read the mailing list as a newsgroup, and it works well. At news.gmane.org as a USENET news server in Evolution and you should be set. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/07 04:07, michael wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 22:09 +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote: >> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 19:08 +0100, michael wrote: >>> then when I click OK (having set my SMTP etc) it sits there >>> indefinitely saying "loading" and doe

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-04 Thread michael
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 22:09 +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 19:08 +0100, michael wrote: > > then when I click OK (having set my SMTP etc) it sits there > > indefinitely saying "loading" and doesn't produce a lists of newsgroups > > I was bitten by this too, you actually need

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread Mirko Scurk
michael wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 08:39 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 04/03/07 08:27, michael wrote: >> > I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) >> >

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/07 13:08, michael wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 08:39 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 04/03/07 08:27, michael wrote: >>> I'm trying to read d-

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 19:08 +0100, michael wrote: > then when I click OK (having set my SMTP etc) it sits there > indefinitely saying "loading" and doesn't produce a lists of newsgroups I was bitten by this too, you actually need to select Folder → Subscriptions (or the equivalent in your version

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread michael
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 08:39 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/03/07 08:27, michael wrote: > > I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) > > but can't get it to work... anybody

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 michael wrote: > I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) > but can't get it to work... anybody else succeeded? > > Thanks, Michael > > Subject: Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ? > Date:

Re: how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/07 08:27, michael wrote: > I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) > but can't get it to work... anybody else succeeded? The group is linux.debian.user. What problems are you having? - --

how to read debian-user as newsgroup using Evolution

2007-04-03 Thread michael
I'm trying to read d-u as a newsgroup using Evolution (details below) but can't get it to work... anybody else succeeded? Thanks, Michael Subject: Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:27:40 +0100 On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEG

forward newsgroup messages to mailing lists

2006-04-03 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
Hi all My actual problem is to forward the messages that appear in news groups http://groups.google.com/group/cornell.marketplace/ http://groups.google.com/group/ithaca.marketplace/ http://groups.google.com/group/ithaca.general/ etc., to a mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-baz

Re: Light newsgroup reader

2006-01-24 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 02:38:52PM +0100, G-Point wrote: } hello } i' need only to read newsgroups, not also mail, and i need a light program. } is there one? I'm a fan of trn4, myself. } thanks --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Con

Re: Light newsgroup reader

2006-01-24 Thread Magnus Therning
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 02:38:52PM +0100, G-Point wrote: >hello >i' need only to read newsgroups, not also mail, and i need a light program. >is there one? I've always liked tin. /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Softwar

Re: Light newsgroup reader

2006-01-24 Thread Tom
[24/01/2006 -- 14:38u] G-Point: > i' need only to read newsgroups, not also mail, and i need a > light program. The obvious choice seems to be slrn ( http://slrn.sf.net/ ). Cheers, Tom -- "Es bückt sich der Mann, um durch das Tor in das Innere zu sehen." ---(Fr

Light newsgroup reader

2006-01-24 Thread G-Point
hello i' need only to read newsgroups, not also mail, and i need a light program. is there one? thanks

Draft FAQ [was Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony Rowe
debian.user gateway FAQ * I have posted a question to this newsgroup but no one is responding. Why? You are reading (and trying to post to) a 'mail-to-news gateway' "newsgroup" of the debian-user mailing-list. You need to register with a real gateway servic

Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 10, Anthony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Other linux.debian.* gateways are fine because people using those can be > expected to know how gateways work. An faq about what the gateway is There are no other gateways. > and how it is meant to be used, specific to this list and which > pr

Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony Rowe
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:36:33AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 10, Tony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All of these are signs that the message has been posted somehow > > to Usenet but not gated to the list. > If they can post them, their news server is misconfigured. > If you see t

Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 10, Tony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I notice in the following forwarded message: munged From: field, no > X-Original-Message-ID:, no X-Original-Date:, no debian-user Unsubscribe > footer. All of these are signs that the message has been posted somehow > to Usenet but not gated to th

Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-09 Thread Tony Rowe
reatly appreciated! Thank you Patrick -- end forwarded mis-posted message --- -- begin pre-canned reply (not sent) -- You are reading (and trying to post to) a 'mail-to-news gateway' "newsgroup" of the debian-use

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-12 Thread Raphaël Berbain
Sorry for the late answer, hollidays kicking in. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raphaël Berbain) writes: > >> Second, ISTR that PGP/MIME is recommended over inline PGP. > > Unfortunately, Outlook Express doesn't handle MIME properly, so > PGP/MIME is out No matter

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Johann Koenig
On Wednesday September 8 at 09:23am Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raphaël Berbain) writes: > > The reason is that mail systems can handle reliably & automatically > > PGP/MIME signatures (handling being verify, strip, whatever). OTOH, > > they cannot with inline PG

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raphaël Berbain) writes: > Paul: You might want to investigate that. There are two issues that > I can see: First, this mml tag shouldn't end up in the final message, > should it ? No, it shouldn't.

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Stivers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 04 2004 at 05:54:24PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >> <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > > Just out of curiosity what is the purpose of the line above? I have seen > i

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Thomas Stivers
On Wed, Sep 08 2004 at 02:42:24PM +0200, Raphaël Berbain wrote: > It's an mml (MIME Meta Language) tag. Paul uses Gnus, which in turn > uses Emacs' Message mode to compose messages. mml is a tagging > language mecanism used by Emacs' message mode to convey > meta-information internally to the MUA

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Raphaël Berbain
Thomas Stivers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 04 2004 at 05:54:24PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >> <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > > Just out of curiosity what is the purpose of the line above? I have seen > it only on Paul's messages and it seems unnecessary. It's an mml (MIME Meta La

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-08 Thread Thomas Stivers
On Sat, Sep 04 2004 at 05:54:24PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> Just out of curiosity what is the purpose of the line above? I have seen it only on Paul's messages and it seems unnecessary. -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. There

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-07 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On Sunday 05 September 2004 01:52, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'll just hand the cluebat off to Karsten for this one, since he's > answered it quite nicely already from the last time some pinhead > got upset at established standards. > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Interes

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-05 Thread Michael Marsh
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:49:12 -0500, Craig Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do we need SPF or Madrid? For seamlessness? Heck with that. > PGP/GPG would help to actually fix a problem rather than patch one. On the other hand, signing messages with GPG only deals with one of the problems with

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-05 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Saturday, 04 September 2004 09:02, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: > But they don't seem to be willing to > listen, or even try to understand the problem they may cause by their > arrogant behaviour. I read this thread, but must have missed it. What exactly is "the problem they may cause"? -- Wes

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-05 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Saturday, 04 September 2004 18:54, Paul Johnson wrote: > Most people don't encrypt mail with GPG, though they do sign with it. > I usually see GPG-encryption in IM. Encryption wouldn't work for > mailing lists, either, though signing does. In *general* encryption isn't that useful for a run-of

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-05 Thread Jan Kesten
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Craig Jackson wrote: Hi Craig! | My own idea is that PGP/GPG could save us all from spam and SMTP | messages being clear text in one fell swoop. If everyone | encrypted their email using GPG/PGP and refused to accept | unencrypted email or mail not encr

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Craig Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My own idea is that PGP/GPG could save us all from spam and SMTP > messages being clear text in one fell swoop. If everyone encrypted their > email using GPG/PGP and refused to

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 05:02:15PM +0200, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: > On Friday 03 September 2004 19:11, Paul Johnson wrote: > > People sign their messages on Usenet as well. ?If you don't like > > PGP or GPG, that's a personal problem that you need to take care of > > on your own. > > Oh, so it is

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Craig Jackson
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:53:20 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Craig Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Do we have flames? Or just friendly args? > > Generally, not even arguments. Flames

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Craig Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do we have flames? Or just friendly args? Generally, not even arguments. Flames only come up when someone is insisting to be totally clueless. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- V

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svenn Are Bjerkem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 03 September 2004 19:11, Paul Johnson wrote: >> People sign their messages on Usenet as well.  If you don't like >> PGP or GPG, that's a personal problem that you

PGP signing (was: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian)

2004-09-04 Thread Alex Nordstrom
On Saturday, 4 Sep 2004 23:02, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: > I am asking those who do to stop. But they don't seem to be willing to > listen, or even try to understand the problem they may cause by their > arrogant behaviour. Forgive me for speculating, but do you think there is any chance that migh

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Craig Jackson
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:02:15 +0200 Svenn Are Bjerkem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 03 September 2004 19:11, Paul Johnson wrote: > > People sign their messages on Usenet as well.  If you don't like > > PGP or GPG, that's a personal problem that you need to take care of > > on your own. > >

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On Friday 03 September 2004 19:11, Paul Johnson wrote: > People sign their messages on Usenet as well.  If you don't like > PGP or GPG, that's a personal problem that you need to take care of > on your own. Oh, so it is a personal problem... Well, I am taking care of it: I am asking those who do

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-04 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On Friday 03 September 2004 19:05, s. keeling wrote: > Well, that's the dumbest thought I've seen in a while.  I've seen > more signed posts to Usenet than I see in mailing lists. Then we don't hang out on the same usenet groups, I understand, because I really can't agree on that statement. And

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-03 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svenn Are Bjerkem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 31 August 2004 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Why fracture and duplicate the effort already taken care of by >> lists.debian.org? > > Because we are fed up with p

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-03 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Svenn Are Bjerkem: > On Tuesday 31 August 2004 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Why fracture and duplicate the effort already taken care of by > > lists.debian.org? > > Because we are fed up with people using pgp and gpg on emails to mailinglists. Well, that's the dumbest thought I've

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-03 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
Paul, can you turn off this pgp crap? It is annoying On Wednesday 01 September 2004 01:04, Paul Johnson wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 ... > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBNQPnUzgNqloQMwcR

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-03 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > Why fracture and duplicate the effort already taken care of by > lists.debian.org? Because we are fed up with people using pgp and gpg on emails to mailinglists. -- Svenn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "un

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-02 Thread Alan Chandler
#x27;ve tried (knode and pan to name but two). In fact, I prefer that so much so, that I run my own mailman mailing list gated to a newsgroup that I wish to read with just me subscribed so that I can read it in the same application. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore y

Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-02 Thread Abdullah Ramazanoglu
begin Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki: > Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: --8<-- I take it you're using POP3 to read your email. IMAP works basically the same way as NNTP, so there's no clear win either way. >> >> Is it possible to work offline with IMAP? I.e

Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Your PC would carry the whole NG instead of the messages you're interested > in. In the long run you would have two choices: Either set up a rather > short expiry period

Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-02 Thread Abdullah Ramazanoglu
begin Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki: > On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, Kirk Strauser wrote: >> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 07:01 pm, Travis Crump wrote: >> >>> I don't mean the latency of posting->post appearing, I mean the >>> latency of clicking a subject and seeing the body.

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>>"If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and >>>>wants to reply to

Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, Kirk Strauser wrote: > So install Leafnode and use that as your local server. In which case he might be better off with email anyway. > > For usenet, it is equal to a network access as the body > > needs to be fetched from a usenet server. I suppose that you could > > pre-f

Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 07:01 pm, Travis Crump wrote: > I don't mean the latency of posting->post appearing, I mean the latency > of clicking a subject and seeing the body. For e-mail the latency is > roughly equal to a hard drive access since fetchmail fetches my mail in > the background.

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>"If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and >>>wants to reply to the list he is supposed to followup to the newsgroup >>>and NOT to directly reply to the list." >> Yes. Mail replies will break threading.

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2004-09-01 Thread Travis Crump
Paul Johnson wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Personally, I never liked the latency inherent in usenet. These days, it's about the same latency as email unless you're in some far-off corner of the planet connected only via carrier pigeon or somethin

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Personally, I never liked the latency inherent in usenet. These days, it's about the same latency as email unless you're in some far-off corner of the planet connected only via

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Travis Crump
Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote: It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. I have no problems with moderation and revealing my mail address (it's my spam collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is f

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 13:58, Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote: > But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is for threaded discussions. I had once > subscribed to several lists, and seeing how awfully inefficient it is for > such things, I had summarily stopped all my list subscriptions, and I will > not subs

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand > why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. It's not, [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Abdullah Ramazanoglu
begin Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki: > Marco d'Itri wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that >>>the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Roel Schroeven
Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote: It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. I have no problems with moderation and revealing my mail address (it's my spam collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is f

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Abdullah Ramazanoglu
begin Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that >>the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway), >>and my own experience

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Roel Schroeven
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway), and my own experience confirms that. This is not a matter of opinions: the linux.debian.* mail2ne

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>"If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and >>wants to reply to the list he is supposed to followup to the newsgroup >>and NOT to directly reply to t

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Incoming from Paul Johnson: >> >> But now that your address is out in the open, there's no real point in >> munging it anyway, so what's the problem? > > It was out in the open when he tried to post to linux

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that >the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway), >and my own experience confirms that. This is not a matter of opinions: the linux.debian.* mail2ne

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Tim Connors
Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:12:47 +0200: > "Fortunatly, linux.* *IS* a bidirectional gateway, unless your news > server is misconfigured.". > > I'm confused. Is the gateway bidirectional and is almost everyone's news > server misconfigured? Is everyone doing som

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-09-01 Thread Roel Schroeven
.debian.user : Well, there's your first problem. This isn't a newsgroup, the newsgroup mirrors are generally considered archive-only. Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway),

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Dave Thayer
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:14:20AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > It's handy to reveal your genuine email address in order to subscribe to > the list, but AFAIK you can use a completley bogus address to write to it. > > If you do this, pls ensure you do use a bogus address and not some other

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Paul Johnson: > > But now that your address is out in the open, there's no real point in > munging it anyway, so what's the problem? It was out in the open when he tried to post to linux.debian.user; Swen is still out there, still scraping mail addresses. -- Any technology distin

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Madhusudan Singh
John Summerfield wrote: > If you do this, pls ensure you do use a bogus address and not some other > poor sod's address. Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe that use of spam.invalid is the norm. > > No, I don't mean that. Bill has enough problems already. What, with > Longhorn slipping and fragmenti

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Paul Johnson
>> > > It is not. I received the following message from a moderation robot when I > tried to post a message to linux.debian.user : Well, there's your first problem. This isn't a newsgroup, the newsgroup mirrors are generally considered archive-only. You can post to [E

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Madhusudan Singh
John Hasler wrote: > Madhusudan Singh writes: >> It is not. I received the following message from a moderation robot when >> I tried to post a message to linux.debian.user : > >> "linux.debian.user is a moderated newsgroup in gateway >> with a mailing list. >

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread John Summerfield
Madhusudan Singh wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: alt.os.linux.debian Please help in propagating this newsgroup to your favorite news server by requesting them

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread John Hasler
Madhusudan Singh writes: > It is not. I received the following message from a moderation robot when I > tried to post a message to linux.debian.user : > "linux.debian.user is a moderated newsgroup in gateway > with a mailing list. The mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] is ope

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Madhusudan Singh
to reveal my email address and go through a two email process of >> subscription. > > No, you didn't. It's an open list. > It is not. I received the following message from a moderation robot when I tried to post a message to linux.debian.user : "linux.debian.user

Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

2004-08-31 Thread Paul Johnson
ed > mailing list. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/ You just need to manage your mail better and report email abuse if you think that. > And since other newsgroups like comp.os.linux.misc etc. have done very well > without moderation (whether automated or not), I do not

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