FWIW: script vs. configurtion file

2014-07-22 Thread Joel Rees
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of the discussion in which it came up. Words, when spoken, mean what the speaker meant. When heard, they mean what the listener thinks they mean. Communic

Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl said: > Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David: > > Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit : > >> Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: > >> > >>> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages > >>> without al

Iceape and Debian 7.x

2014-07-22 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. Is a .deb package of iceape or seamonky, available for Debian 7.x (amd64)? I have not been able to find one. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep T

Re: Nouveau Resume from Suspend/Hibernate Screen Corruption

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Sommers
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:59:08 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-07-22 05:29:48 +, Dan Sommers wrote: >> I just upgraded from the proprietary nvidia video driver to nouveau, >> and > > I wouldn't call that an upgrade (except that nouveau is free). I feel a little forced into it. After

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 04:34 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 17:29:11 The Wanderer wrote: >> Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Seemed obvious enough to me, but I'm not >> necessarily a typical audience. > > I got lost at "Have you undergone a person

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jul 2014 at 22:41:31 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 06:50:54PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 22 Jul 2014 at 13:50:13 +, Curt wrote: > > > > > On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > > > > > > Ultimately, that's what I'd like to determine, but have so far not

Proper place for pulse-audio configuration

2014-07-22 Thread George Shuklin
Good day. Where is a proper place for pulseaudio configuration options, if pulseaudio is starting under user? I need to load module-native-protocol-tcp. Is there any well-known special config for user's pusleaudio? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org w

Re: [help-cfengine] init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-22 Thread Brian Bennett
cf-execd is the scheduler that is responsible for executing the agent (cf-agent) at the scheduled intervals (by default 5 every minutes). By default cf-agent will start cf-execd, cf-serverd and cf-monitord if they aren't running. Instead of putting cf-execd in inittab you could add a cron job t

Using the nuoveau driver, Iceweasel crashes.

2014-07-22 Thread John R Song
I need help to diagnose and hopefully solve the problem detailed below. I recently installed xfce running jessie. In place of the nvidia driver nouveau is used. Everything went fine for three days then the system started crashing - frozen computer, weird striped screen. This happened at first when

Respond to the claims agent

2014-07-22 Thread UN
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Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David: > Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit : >> Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: >> >>> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages >>> without also getting kernel log messages >> Of course there is. >> >> Might help if

Re: VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )

2014-07-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iul 14, 12:28:20, The Wanderer wrote: > > The trouble is that you didn't then change the Subject line, so > less-well-behaved mail clients will still sort it as part of the same > thread, and even for people who use better ones the message is still > being presented as being about the su

solved Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:56:55PM +0200, B wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:19:12 -0700 > Paul Scott wrote: > > > No change. > > > > > Also set a DHCP server up (link-local shouldn't be there). > > > > I am using isc-dhcp-client. > > Ok, but is there a functional DHCP _server_ on your LAN?

Re: Is "xhost +si:localuser:root" safe?

2014-07-22 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, 17:48:24 schrieb Vincent Lefevre: > To be able to save/restore the XKB keymap in a /etc/pm/sleep.d script > (as a workaround for Debian bug 633849), xkbcomp needs to have access > to the display. The simplest solution I've found is a > > xhost +si:localuser:root > >

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:19:12 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > No change. > > > Also set a DHCP server up (link-local shouldn't be there). > > I am using isc-dhcp-client. Ok, but is there a functional DHCP _server_ on your LAN? Join your /etc/network/interfaces -- Nikos : if theree was alcooohlin w

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 06:50:54PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 22 Jul 2014 at 13:50:13 +, Curt wrote: > > > On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > > > > Ultimately, that's what I'd like to determine, but have so far not been > > > able to. The error is too vague (Interrupted System Call),

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 July 2014 17:29:11 The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: > >> On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I sus

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 08:36:04PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Paul Scott a écrit : > > > > I have a sid system on this laptop that I keep updated. A week or two > > ago an update broke my ability to connect to the Internet through wireless > > access points. I am now connected wirelessly

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David >> wrote: >>> >>> So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which >>> does not mean same thing when using systemd or using init. >>> >>> I

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 08:30:19PM +0200, B wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:04:16 -0700 > Paul Scott wrote: > > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric > > RefUse Iface default * 0.0.0.0 > > U 1002 00 eth0 default 192.168.

Re: New 64bit installation: Exim4 Send to Root

2014-07-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jul 2014 at 17:25:35 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:53:43PM +0300, David Baron wrote: > > Logcheck, rkhunter and some others send their email notifications to root. > > Exim4 does no allow emails to root. So root gets aliased and a couple of > > other > >

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Paul Scott a écrit : > > I have a sid system on this laptop that I keep updated. A week or two > ago an update broke my ability to connect to the Internet through wireless > access points. I am now connected wirelessly to my server with ssh > and can access the Internet. > > route gives me

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread laurent debian
Le 22/07/2014 14:30, B a écrit : On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:04:16 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface default * 0.0.0.0 U 1002 00 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG1024

Re: wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:04:16 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric > RefUse Iface default * 0.0.0.0 > U 1002 00 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 > 0.0.0.0 UG1024 00 wlan0 link-local > *

wireless routing broken after recent sid update

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
Hi All, I have a sid system on this laptop that I keep updated. A week or two ago an update broke my ability to connect to the Internet through wireless access points. I am now connected wirelessly to my server with ssh and can access the Internet. route gives me: Destination Gateway

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jul 2014 at 13:50:13 +, Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > > Ultimately, that's what I'd like to determine, but have so far not been > > able to. The error is too vague (Interrupted System Call), and all the > > googling and duckgoing and ixquicking has produced

Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit : > Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: > >> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages >> without also getting kernel log messages > Of course there is. > > Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it? > >

Re: New 64bit installation: Exim4 Send to Root

2014-07-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:53:43PM +0300, David Baron wrote: > Logcheck, rkhunter and some others send their email notifications to root. > Exim4 does no allow emails to root. So root gets aliased and a couple of > other > places are set so that the emails go to another user. I brought the > co

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
Le 22/07/2014 18:24, The Wanderer a écrit : > On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong > > said: > > >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote: > >> > >>> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command > >>> line whi

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Why? >> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/curt >> > And your point is? > He's being Curt. And I'm being Bannister, going that extra mile (in under four minutes). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsub

systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: > As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages > without also getting kernel log messages Of course there is. Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it? The systemd.* specific flags override the global quiet fla

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.07.2014 15:38, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : And emacs ... just ... wierdo! Yeah, vim is better :) (let's change the nowaday usual trolling about systemd and go back to good old traditional trolls :p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "un

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong > said: > >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote: >> >>> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command >>> line which seems

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: > >> On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it >>> isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles F

Re: VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )

2014-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > Concerning burying my request for help in an existing thread. I used > Emacs to delete the reply-to header line and thought that would be > enough. Obviously, not. I have learned yet another thing not t

Re: VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )

2014-07-22 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140722_1037+0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 22.07.2014 00:00, Paul E Condon a écrit : > >Please help. > > Wow nice off-topic... I have no idea about where this is related to > the question of the interest of splitting debian-user ML into a > stable and a testing ML... >

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: > >> now you've turned into Mr. Miles. > > > > Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't > > there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong said: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote: > > I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line > > which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ? > > Or did rather change grub semantics ? > >

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:04:22 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:54:42 -0400 > > [...] > > systemd[1]: /usr appears to be on its own filesytem and is not > > already mounted. This is not a supported setup. Some things will > > probably

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:27:50PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:01:02 Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: Gotta say, as soon as there's a Xen Dom0 for either FreeBSD or Illumos, I'll seriously look at moving. This is tragic. Why? h

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-22 Thread Lorenzo Beretta
On 07/21/2014 02:39 PM, Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: Hi, I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine daemon and restart it in case this one dies. cfe:2345:respawn:/var/cfengine/bin/cf-execd The cf-execd is re-spawned as expected, except the fact that multiple process

Is "xhost +si:localuser:root" safe?

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
To be able to save/restore the XKB keymap in a /etc/pm/sleep.d script (as a workaround for Debian bug 633849), xkbcomp needs to have access to the display. The simplest solution I've found is a xhost +si:localuser:root in my .xsession file. But some users discourage to allow this access perman

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote: > I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line > which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ? > Or did rather change grub semantics ? It's the default in Debian. Edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet from

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine > daemon and restart it in case this one dies. > > cfe:2345:respawn:/var/cfengine/bin/cf-execd > > The cf-execd is re-spawned as expected, except the fact that multiple > proc

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David > wrote: >> So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which >> does not mean same thing when using systemd or using init. >> >> I do not want ful

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:27:50PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:01:02 Curt wrote: > > On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Gotta say, as soon as there's a Xen Dom0 for either FreeBSD or Illumos, > > > I'll seriously look at moving. > > > > This is tragic. > > Why?

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> This is tragic. > > Why? > > Lisi > > I guess I was being ironic. Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnl

Re: Main Menu

2014-07-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 July 2014 14:54:05 Emil Payne wrote: > Right clicking on the Main Menu icon brings up the Edit Menu program. > However, once in there, it will only allow me to (un)check items, delete > items or add items. it will not allow me to mover items up or down or to > move to another section.

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? Huh? You were Dr. Fidelman and now you've turned into Mr. Miles. If there's a Dr. Fidelman out there - it ain't me. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory

Re: Nouveau Resume from Suspend/Hibernate Screen Corruption

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-22 05:29:48 +, Dan Sommers wrote: > I just upgraded from the proprietary nvidia video driver to nouveau, and I wouldn't call that an upgrade (except that nouveau is free). > now I am experiencing another variation of a screen corruption issue > when resuming from suspend/hibernate.

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >>> >>> Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. >>> I'm >>> looking down the road a year and planning what I will use in production >>>

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David wrote: > Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit : >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: > Booting is fast Th

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-22 Thread Lorenzo Beretta
On 07/21/2014 04:56 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:39:16 +0200 Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: Hi, I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine daemon and restart it in case this one dies. cfe:2345:respawn:/var/cfengine/bin/cf-execd The cf-execd is re-sp

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/07/14 15:03, Joe wrote: I've got it now. Apparently /usr has needed to be available at boot time for a long time, but this seems to have completely passed me by, and hasn't yet bitten me. I have always thought that 'usr' was short for 'user', and that /usr contains only applications and not

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:01:02 Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Gotta say, as soon as there's a Xen Dom0 for either FreeBSD or Illumos, > > I'll seriously look at moving. > > This is tragic. Why? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman napísal: > Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman > > napísal: > > > >> Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with > >> testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: >> now you've turned into Mr. Miles. > > Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. > As > far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles > Fidelman or M. Fid

Re: a simple script for restoring downloaded debs

2014-07-22 Thread songbird
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > songbird wrote on 07/19/2014 16:23: >> Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >>> Why not copy all files back and order something like "apt-get autoclean" to >>> get >>> rid of the older packages? >> >> it's a rather huge archive (i think about 18000 >> debs), but yes that would

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: > now you've turned into Mr. Miles. Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:04:22 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:54:42 -0400 > > [...] > > systemd[1]: /usr appears to be on its own filesytem and is not > > already mounted. This is not a supported setup. Some things will > > probably

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Gotta say, as soon as there's a Xen Dom0 for either FreeBSD or Illumos, > I'll seriously look at moving. > This is tragic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@li

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:47:36PM CEST, Slavko said: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman > napísal: > > > Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with > > testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a > > very bad idea.

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? >> >> > Huh? > You were Dr. Fidelman and now you've turned into Mr. Miles. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Main Menu

2014-07-22 Thread Emil Payne
Right clicking on the Main Menu icon brings up the Edit Menu program. However, once in there, it will only allow me to (un)check items, delete items or add items. it will not allow me to mover items up or down or to move to another section. My main thing is I want them alphabetized. Some instal

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? Huh? -- In theory, t

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman napísal: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? What - you don't

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with > testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a > very bad idea. Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Main Menu

2014-07-22 Thread Emil Payne
Right clicking on the Main Menu icon brings up the Edit Menu program. However, once in there, it will only allow me to (un)check items, delete items or add items. it will not allow me to mover items up or down or to move to another section. My main thing is I want them alphabetized. Some instal

Fwd: Main Menu

2014-07-22 Thread Emil Payne
Right clicking on the Main Menu icon brings up the Edit Menu program. However, once in there, it will only allow me to (un)check items, delete items or add items. it will not allow me to mover items up or down or to move to another section. My main thing is I want them alphabetized. Some instal

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > Ultimately, that's what I'd like to determine, but have so far not been > able to. The error is too vague (Interrupted System Call), and all the > googling and duckgoing and ixquicking has produced nothing useful. > We need to see your config. -- To UNSUB

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman napísal: > Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with > testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a > very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? regards -- Slavko http:/

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:43 PM, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/21/2014 04:24 AM, Joel Rees wrote: I decided to do a search on "systemd openbsd" to see what reaction those friendly guys over there have, and I discovered the list of

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/22/14, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 7/22/14, David Guntner wrote: >> Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >>> There is one >>> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ >>> >>> but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily >>> used list and that it's not a list for frea

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/22/14, Paul E Condon wrote: > I use Wheezy. I have been using Debian since Potato, as I remember, I > started with Debian just after Y2K. I started out to write about the > debian-testing ML but first I need help with a crazyness in my mail > system that I just noticed, and must be a reinstal

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 7/22/14, David Guntner wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/22/14, David Guntner wrote: > Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> There is one >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ >> >> but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily >> used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. > > Neither is this o

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: >> >> I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I can afford >> to break. >> >> And since today syste,md-shim is no more an option (aptitude wants to remov

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:54:42 -0400 > [...] > systemd[1]: /usr appears to be on its own filesytem and is not already > mounted. This is not a supported setup. Some things will probably break > (sometimes even silently) in mysterious ways. Consult > http

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-07-22 00:46 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> I assume this partition on the removable drive is not marked "noauto" or >> "nofail" >> >> Since systemd can't know which mount points are essential for your >> system to come up properly, t

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:43 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 07/21/2014 04:24 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > >> I decided to do a search on "systemd openbsd" to see what reaction >> those friendly guys over there have, and I discovered the list of >> proj

RE: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-22 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> On 2014-07-21, Sharon Kimble wrote: >> >>> http://www.tgmeds.org.uk/ >> http://www.sharons.org.uk/ >> >> I get >> >> 502 Bad Gateway >> nginx/1.2.1 >> >> for both sites. > > I see both, what seems to be, correctly. > > Lisi Same here from the Netherlands, I see 2 websites that seem to b

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:38:10PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > >> There is probably a good reason for you to use mutt's native smtp > >> support but you could consider using exim to sidestep the issue. > > > > How would I change from one to the other? > > > > I'm

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-22, Tony Baldwin wrote: > >> There is probably a good reason for you to use mutt's native smtp >> support but you could consider using exim to sidestep the issue. > > How would I change from one to the other? > I'm all for sidestepping your issue if only I knew what the heck your issue

Re: Grub ... updating kernels

2014-07-22 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 7/22/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Kernels should be picked up automatically when running update-grub, > unless they are in some very unusual location. Custom stuff should be > added to /etc/grub.d/40_custom. I've been making and (deliberately) breaking 4 or 5 different Debian based distros t

New 64bit installation: Exim4 Send to Root

2014-07-22 Thread David Baron
Logcheck, rkhunter and some others send their email notifications to root. Exim4 does no allow emails to root. So root gets aliased and a couple of other places are set so that the emails go to another user. I brought the configuration files over from the old installation. I have in /etc/aliase

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-22 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:33:50PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:08:25 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:55:09PM +, Curt wrote: > > > > > > I understood that he is using Mutt's native smtp support and the default > > > exim configuration, which only

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, wrote: > > Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : > >> it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing > >> users. > > > > I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at > > least)

dmesg: "BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED" and "Enter sas_scsi_recover_host"

2014-07-22 Thread basti
Hello, today I found the following in the dmesg log: [Tue Jul 22 01:19:55 2014] sas: command 0x880836c239c0, task 0x8804d2801800, timed out: BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED [Tue Jul 22 01:19:55 2014] sas: command 0x8807ba958780, task 0x8806e111ed80, timed out: BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED [Tue Jul 22 01

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:12:37AM CEST, Zenaan Harkness said: > On 7/22/14, Erwan David wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19:54PM CEST, Andrei POPESCU > > said: > >> On Lu, 21 iul 14, 21:54:48, Erwan David wrote: > >> > Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : > >> > > Let us hope so. Tonight's

VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )

2014-07-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.07.2014 00:00, Paul E Condon a écrit : Please help. Wow nice off-topic... I have no idea about where this is related to the question of the interest of splitting debian-user ML into a stable and a testing ML... Anyway, we can guess from what you posted that you have started vlc som

Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot

2014-07-22 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Ron Leach a écrit : > > # apt-get upgrade > returns an enormous list of changes it needs to do (this is > re-assuring, because I already thought that the upgrade had been > incomplete) but, on asking it to proceed, reports: > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! >libss

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/22/14, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19:54PM CEST, Andrei POPESCU > said: >> On Lu, 21 iul 14, 21:54:48, Erwan David wrote: >> > Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : >> > > Let us hope so. Tonight's upgrade to sid requires the removal of >> > > sysvinit-core... >> > > >> > >>

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-22 00:46 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > I assume this partition on the removable drive is not marked "noauto" or > "nofail" > > Since systemd can't know which mount points are essential for your > system to come up properly, the default is to drop you into a rescue > shell if the devices

dmesg: "BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED" and "Enter sas_scsi_recover_host"

2014-07-22 Thread basti
Hello, today I found the following in the dmesg log: [Tue Jul 22 01:19:55 2014] sas: command 0x880836c239c0, task 0x8804d2801800, timed out: BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED [Tue Jul 22 01:19:55 2014] sas: command 0x8807ba958780, task 0x8806e111ed80, timed out: BLK_EH_NOT_HANDLED [Tue Jul 22

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:46:19 +0200 Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 22.07.2014 00:21, schrieb Joe: > > So I plugged in the drive, and suddenly it all burst into life. > > Well, nearly all, no networking, which is a bit limiting for a > > workstation... > > > > This drive has its own fstab entries by UU

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:54:42 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 07/21/2014 06:46 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 22.07.2014 00:21, schrieb Joe: > > > >> So I plugged in the drive, and suddenly it all burst into life. > >> Well, nearly all, no

Re: Grub ... updating kernels

2014-07-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 06 iul 14, 15:04:17, David Baron wrote: > As part of my new 64bit installation, I am now on Grub. I am familiar with > Lilo, know how to edit lilo.conf, etc. Of Grube, which I have avoided until > now, I know nothing. No man page either. > > Can someone point be to documentation or some s

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19:54PM CEST, Andrei POPESCU said: > On Lu, 21 iul 14, 21:54:48, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : > > > Let us hope so. Tonight's upgrade to sid requires the removal of > > > sysvinit-core... > > > > > > > libpam-systemd 204 depends systemd-sys

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 iul 14, 23:52:17, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > > The selection of system used for a task depends a lot on the task. > I do not see anything silly in using testing in production. Sure, but then it's not fair to complain that things are, well, still in testing. Kind regards, Andrei -- ht

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-22 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-21, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name("puzzle") is not safe! > This appears in the window that was running Mutt and displaying the incoming This is vlc (a media player) complaining; what this has to do with mutt or your email workflow escap

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