Re: Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:01:46AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > One reason why few people are working on ARM is probably the lack of > a cheap platform that can be used for development. Fortunately, this > problem has now been addressed. Over the last few months, I worked > (in collaboration

Re: removing logfiles on purge

2006-03-15 Thread sean finney
yo martin, i don't have enough time to find it, but like a couple years (or more?) ago there was a very, very long thread about logfile removal. the "should logfiles be removed on purge" question can actually be deconstructed into smaller questions: - should /var/log/foo/foo.log be removed on pu

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Re: Balancing the noise between -devel and -private?

2006-03-15 Thread Miles Bader
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, in most social groups in most cultures, from the company to the > rock band or the football club, critisism against insiders are not > done in front of outsiders. Ok, well that's often true in companies, but they're usually fucked up little dictat

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Simon" == Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon> The main reason for the NEW queue is the US export > Simon> legislation. If it were legal to make packages immediately > Simon> downloadable, it would be done. > In which case wh

Re: Request of expulsion of Zeke the Cat from the Debian Project

2006-03-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Please, people, the mere fact that we have an expulsion procedure should > *not* mean that we have to invoke it twice in a few weeks. Hear, hear! -- Henning Makholm "Nett hier.

Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

2006-03-15 Thread C Shore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abstract "Please can't we all just get along?" Ok, I'm not quite that naive, but I would like to see (or proof of previous attempts at) conciliation before such a highly political approach as a formal expulsion request to a personnel issue. Further

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:59 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > > [...] > > > > > > > > I'm a

Re: timezone data packaged separately and in volatile?

2006-03-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 03:22:50PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit : > > - glibc maintainers, would you approve of such an update to a point > > release of sarge? > > I am *one* of the glibc maintainer, and I agree in principle with such a > change, though I haven't lo

Balancing the noise between -devel and -private?

2006-03-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear developpers, I have no idea of what is the traffic on debian-private, nor on the content of the messages there. But, for the sake of the signal/noise ratio on debian-devel, do you think that you could move most of the ad-hominem stuff on such a list? Also, in most social groups in most cultur

Re: Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Matthew R. Dempsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-15 20:35]: > I have a spare WGT634U that is not currently playing any integral > role in my home network, but I would certainly be interested in > running Debian on it. I made a tar ball and kernel available for it yesterday: http://www.cyrius.com/

Re: Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:01:24AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > On a related note, I'm also working on getting debian-installer going > on a number of MIPS based consumer devices, such as the Netgear > WGT634U wireless router. However, this work has not reached the > maturity of NSLU2 support

Re: Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-15 19:27]: > Just to be clear, the NSLU2 is a big endian ARM machine, right? > Isn't Debian's current ARM port little endian? It can run both in little and big endian. The images currently provided are little-endian, i.e. what the official ARM port use

Re: Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:01:46AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > One reason why few people are working on ARM is probably the lack of > a cheap platform that can be used for development. Fortunately, this > problem has now been addressed. Over the last few months, I worked > (in collaboration

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Marc Dequènes wrote: > This meaning 15 is a representative set of 972 persons (1.5%) not > randomly choosen, which is obvioulsy wrong, and ridiculously small. > > What is wrong here, is not even this demand for removal with such a lack > of clear evidence (you can wait for sup

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: >> It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: >> The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the >> people that with a reason or not wants to

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Samuel Mimram
Hi, Andres Salomon wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Thanks for yours and Ralf's responses. To be honest, I wasn't expecting anyone to actually say that they *enjoyed* working w/ Sven. This is making me seriously reconsider my request; obviously, I don

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-15 Thread Brian May
> "Simon" == Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Simon> The main reason for the NEW queue is the US export Simon> legislation. If it were legal to make packages immediately Simon> downloadable, it would be done. In which case why do new packages with known source code end up

Re: ITP: moleinvasion -- Jump'n run game with Tux

2006-03-15 Thread Brian May
> "Henning" == Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Henning> Which, however, will not stop the code from dying Henning> horribly if $LANG does not contain an underscore (see Henning> /usr/share/locale/locale.alias), or if it contains an Henning> underscore that comes so

RS485 via termios

2006-03-15 Thread Robbie
Hi guys, Below is a cut from something I pull off the arm list. Is there a patch of any kind to use UART to support the RS485 protocol via the termios structure? Can anyone offer advice on configuration and usage? Your help is much appreciated. --

Re: Propose exim4 for debian-volatile (Was: exim4_4.50-8sarge1)

2006-03-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Martin Zobel-Helas [Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:53:05 +0100]: Hi Martin, > On Sunday, 05 Mar 2006, aba wrote: > > The plan is to make s-p-u such a place, but until it happens, I think > > volatile can have such packages as an exception, if the bug is severe > > enough. > sorry, but i disagree with you

Attractive platform for Debian people interested in ARM: NSLU2

2006-03-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
While ARM is a very important platform, support for it in Debian has faced a number of problems recently: there was no developer accessible machine for a long time (they're two now), buildds sometimes have a hard time keeping up, etc. Most importantly, there are not enough people actively involved

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 15 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and his >> presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a >> pattern of behaviour from him, where any discussion f

Re: removing logfiles on purge

2006-03-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.16.0050 +0100]: > Then they should backup them before purging the package. Sure. > > If you've ever administered a production machine with hundreds > > of users, you'll treat log files as valuable data. You'll kick > > and scream if they get r

Re: Bug#355443: please don't

2006-03-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.16.0117 +0100]: > Dear DDs, Ah, sorry for all the noise, dear debian-devel. > Is my interpretation of Debian policy correct and I do have to > remove log files on purge? or there is a flexibility in > interpretation? Yaroslav, Your int

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Duck
Coin, I don't know Sven enought for a comment, but this is the first time i hear about problems with him. Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Step #2 requires the support of some 15 developers. This meaning 15 is a representative set of 972 persons (1.5%) not randomly choosen, which i

Re: Bug#355443: please don't

2006-03-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear martin f krafft, Since in my understanding of English should in this context means "have to" I was happy to close the bug by purging the log files. Dear DDs, Is my interpretation of Debian policy correct and I do have to remove log files on purge? or there is a flexibility in interpretatio

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:07:02AM +1100, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same > >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying > >hard, and mostly ge

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying >hard, and mostly getting better. I think. It appears as if you're diagnosing svenl with the "same d

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 15-Mar-06, 15:40 (CST), Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But do you think that anything i said in those is insulting in some way, or > > a > > reason for me to be expelled from debian ? > > No, it's a demonstration

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Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > [...] > > > > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no. > > >

Re: removing logfiles on purge

2006-03-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 16, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chapter 10.8 of our policy says that log files "should be" removed > when a package is removed. I am writing this email to gather > feedback prior to proposing that this be changed. Especially in the > EU, I can imaging several situations in

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Mar-06, 15:40 (CST), Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But do you think that anything i said in those is insulting in some way, or a > reason for me to be expelled from debian ? No, it's a demonstration of your apparent need to reply to *every* *single* *message* in any thread that

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:36:50PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Dear Sven, > It seems to me that you don't actually enjoy kernel and d-i powerpc work, > but rather see it as an obligation because your business in part depends > on Debian supporting powerpc. This i cannot accept. My work obligati

removing logfiles on purge

2006-03-15 Thread martin f krafft
Hi all, Chapter 10.8 of our policy says that log files "should be" removed when a package is removed. I am writing this email to gather feedback prior to proposing that this be changed. Especially in the EU, I can imaging several situations in which removing the log files during package purge can

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: [...] > > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no. > > Subconcious fear to delivery in time ? Probably yes. Stop thinking > > about

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:23:53PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > > > his presence hurts the

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > > his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a > > pattern of behaviour fro

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Frans Pop
Dear Sven, So, where do I stand in this expulsion thingy? So far I've resisted mailing on this thread. My general feelings were very well worded by Adeodato Simó. However, my name being brought up in your reply to Joey kind of forces me. I don't actually think that expulsion is the correct acti

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > So far, I have never took the time to study the detail of the expulsion > process, so sorry if this mail is inappropriate. But be sure that I will > do everything I can as a DD to stop Sven's expulsion. Here another DD that

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread José David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Friends, First of all i apologise for my poor english (portuguese :-)) I follow de dev lists of debian for several months now, my knowlege in linux whas not so good so i never applyed to be a developper and also my time isnt much :-(. (maybe

Re: Request of expulsion of Zeke the Cat from the Debian Project

2006-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:47:21PM -0700, John Gee wrote: > *Wouter Verhelst, you are an idiot. Thanks for the compliment. > With my years working with Sven Luther, barring a little pornography > issue I was not fond he had, I still could cope with his attitude. Great. So what changed? > But yo

Re: GFDL question

2006-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ok, there are no invariant sections, but there is (a short) front and > back cover text. > > How do we proceed with these documents? The resolution which passed excludes documentation with front cover texts. Read it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: gnucash 1.9.1

2006-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Damyan Ivanov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you prefer to get bugreports via BTS or should these be forwarded > directly upstream? BTS is always good. It's fine if you also report them upstream; if you submit them to the upstream bugzilla, please mention the correct link in a "forwarded-to"

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. > > It amazes me that people oppose expulsion, but are perfectly happy to > allow the DAMs to decide whether or not a NM is to be let into the > project. Why do we trust the DAM's judgement in one scenario but n

Re: Request of expulsion of Zeke the Cat from the Debian Project

2006-03-15 Thread John Gee
Wouter Verhelst, you are an idiot.  With my years working with Sven Luther, barring a little pornography issue I was not fond he had, I still could cope with his attitude.  But you guys worship him.  It's like I've always said, you guys are going to distroy yourselves.  And when you do I don't want

Re: Regarding the NEW queue

2006-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Micah Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the interests of transparancy, openness, keeping people from > emailing debian-devel instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] why not make the > published contact address for ftpmaster be a publically viewable > archive? It doesn't have to be a list that everyon

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:48:48PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:21:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I had decided to keep silent for the next few week to let matters settle, > > but > > as you ask directly and i was pointer to your question, i will break that > > reso

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:47:14PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: [...] > > > oh and btw, as you noted it, I attacked you personnaly, maybe you should > begin a procedure to expulse me. > > There's a vast amount of difference between (your) intentional trolling and unintentional, repeated abus

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:17:06PM +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:08:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I am still a bit disgusted of seeing a bug report i provided to ubuntu, with > > patch and all the proper research immediately after the breezy beta go > > unanswered and

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 14/03/2006 Andres Salomon wrote: > Sven's behavior has always been combative (and some might argue > hostile), but this is beyond what is acceptable. He threatens bodily > harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later > publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Re

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:08:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I am still a bit disgusted of seeing a bug report i provided to ubuntu, with > patch and all the proper research immediately after the breezy beta go > unanswered and uncared for though, so this may color my relationship with > ubuntu,

Bug#357060: ITP: xfce4-radio-plugin -- A v4l radio control plugin for the Xfce4 panel

2006-03-15 Thread Stefan Ott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stefan Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xfce4-radio-plugin Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Stefan Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/ * License : GPL Description : A v4l radio co

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:26:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Adeodato Simó wrote: > > I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some > > teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth > > something to you, you may be interested in this if you're unfamil

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:21:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I had decided to keep silent for the next few week to let matters settle, but > as you ask directly and i was pointer to your question, i will break that > resolution once, That resolution seems to have slipped by a mail or two now? Y

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Joey Hess
Adeodato Simó wrote: > I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some > teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth > something to you, you may be interested in this if you're unfamiliar > with Svenl. I've led a team that Sven was involved in and

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: > The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the > people that with a reason or not wants to see it delayed. The > minute after the release tea

Re: Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-15 Thread Micah Anderson
On 2006-03-13, Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody mailed ftpmaster@ about the size of the NEW queue. -devel isn't > a contact address for ftp-master, at least speaking for myself, > mailinglists have a much lower priority than things like ftpmaster mail, > and when backlogg

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:54:58AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:26:07PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > I hadn't replied to the bug report because I wasn't involved in the > > > Ubuntu kernel at the p

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a > pattern of behaviour from him, where any discussion first focuses on > blame allocation

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:26:07PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I hadn't replied to the bug report because I wasn't involved in the > > Ubuntu kernel at the point when it was filed, so I didn't reply there. > > When you brought m

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:47:05PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > - I've seen him several times reject good or even optimum solutions > to problems, upon which a fair number of other people agreed, just > for them going against his own personal agenda; which is, oook, > somethi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:40:15AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. > > For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways > of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsio

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > > print

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:56:48PM +0100, Jorgen Schaefer wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > >> from the project. The proc

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 15 Mar 2006, Adeodato Simó verbalised: > - I've seem him repeteadly exhaust people's patience, both over > important discussion, and over trivialities; which is, ok, > something not so uncommon in this project, albeit undesirable. > > - I've seen him hijack technical discussions, making the pos

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > printk that was not strictly necessary, which i think for someone like you or >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 01:00:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 15:05, Andres Salomon a écrit : > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther > > > removed from the project. The process is

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread John Hasler
Pierre Habouzit writes: > I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. So do I. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Some might argue that we should just kick him from the channel and > remove his commit access to the debian-kernel project, but that does not > solve the problem of him abusing other teams, as well as his abusive > mailing list posts

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 12:29:49PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. > > I want to see you leave the Project if this expulsion process fails. There's a defined proc

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed >> from the project. The process is outlined here: >>

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Andres Salomon [Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:01:09 -0500]: > Hi, Hi. FWIW: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is wo

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Andres Salomon
The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process: http://squishy.cc/svenl.txt This is a lot from two weeks ago,

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Julien BLACHE
Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. I want to see you leave the Project if this expulsion process fails. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian & GNU/Linux Developer - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Public k

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > #include > * Goswin von Brederlow [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 10:11:43PM]: > >> >> What is a depends? Do you mean dependency or dependents? >> > >> > I think he means dependents: If package foo depends on library foobar, >> > dpkg/apt can unpack and configure-wi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andres Salomon [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 09:01:09PM]: > harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later > publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Release Managers, > even), behind his back. This is incredibly childish, aggressive > behavior, and should not be t

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/14/06, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1. >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your accusation fails to allege sufficient facts to constitute > an allegation of defamation. The facts have previously been discussed elsewhere. I replied merely to point out that Sven does not always apologise for his behaviour. > Rather than wasting lis

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1.

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006, Andres Salomon wrote: > Hi, Hi! > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. Hahaha oh wow. You got it the wrong way, you should only do that _after_ someone posts http://zoy.org/~sam/ftwcal.jpeg to d-d-a. Now I have no ot

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Bird
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 05:00, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen h

Request of expulsion of Zeke the Cat from the Debian Project

2006-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
This is an official request to throw Zeke the Cat out of the Debian Project. I do *not* want a cat as my DPL, therefore, I'm requesting that she be removed from the project. Besides, I don't like cats anyway. ... then again, maybe this isn't. Please, people, the mere fact that we have an expulsi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen him apologies when he=20 > did so (I can provide links if yo

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 14 mars 2006 à 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. If this is a joke, it's not funny. I happen to prefer Andrew Suffield's humour. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/15/06, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >

Re: GFDL question

2006-03-15 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El miércoles, 15 de marzo de 2006 a las 00:14:07 +0100, Henning Makholm escribía: > The above sentence from Jacobo Tarrio seems to use "not distributable" > in sense (b). Since this is not in fact -legal, I assume that we all > actually agree and that JT is simply unfamiliar with the relevant > j

Re: Maintainer for fftw 2.1.3 requested

2006-03-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
> > Maybe the fftw3 maintainer could be interested in maintainace of fftw2 too... Oh well he, filled the ITA about that on December... -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Maintainer for fftw 2.1.3 requested

2006-03-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:30:44PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: > I am surprised, as fftw is an excellent fft package and is still used > by the following (they really should be updated to use fftw version > 3 though). I would expect the maintainer of one of these to take an > interest in this mat

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >, and I have already completed step 1. I st

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:48:11AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) Yes, I have tried talking to him. After a number of blowups on the > > debian-kernel list, myself and a number of kernel team members have > > talked to him to calm him down (and in som

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Frank Küster
Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) Yes, I have tried talking to him. After a number of blowups on the > debian-kernel list, myself and a number of kernel team members have > talked to him to calm him down (and in some cases getting him to > apologize). The behavior he displays happen

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Frank Küster
Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > then a week later > publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Release Managers, > even), Oh, how impertinent. He dared to insult an official Debian God! Aghast, Frank -- Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. B