* Andres Salomon [Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:01:09 -0500]:
> Hi,
Hi. FWIW:
> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
> from the project.
I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some
teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth
something to you, you may be interested in this if you're unfamiliar
with Svenl. Over the time,
- I've seem him repeteadly exhaust people's patience, both over
important discussion, and over trivialities; which is, ok,
something not so uncommon in this project, albeit undesirable.
- I've seen him hijack technical discussions, making the possibility
of a conclusion impossible due to him going over and over the same
points in an unproductive fashion; which is, ook, something not
so uncommon in this project, albeit very undesirable.
- I've seen him several times reject good or even optimum solutions
to problems, upon which a fair number of other people agreed, just
for them going against his own personal agenda; which is, oook,
something not so uncommon in this project, albeit very very
undesirable.
- BUT, I've also seen him, in uncountable occasions, steal the joy
of hacking on Debian from many valuable developers of the project,
make them frustrated and unhappy by continuously ignoring their
request to be left alone, and make them less than willing to spend
their time improving the technical quality of subsystems where
Svenl was also involved. And this is something that, fortunately,
one does not get to see everyday in the project, and something
that has made me terribly sad whenever I've had to watch it.
I haven't decided myself whether I think this procedure is too much
for this particular case or not, and I'm aware that Svenl is not
regarded as so nocive by many people who just see his good technical
work and not him interact with others. But, if you want to listen, I
do think Svenl has done much harm, if not to the project, to the
_PEOPLE_ involved in some parts of the project, which is something
that needs a solution. It's bad if your actions jeopardize a project's
good name, or decrement its overall quality, but it's not bad but
terrible when they go directly to contributors' feelings and amount of
motivaion. Again, not sure still the proposed solution is the best.
Also, just as a small anecdote: during the huge Vancouver thread, I
mentally marked two people as having had a terribe and inexcusable
behavior, and Svenl was one of them. While several people expressed
their unhappiness or frustration very strongly, sometimes with nasty
accusations or even insults, my mind could, while disagreeing to it,
explain those reactions by putting them under a "caused by unbearable
frustration" category; Svenl's behavior, otoh, surpassed the limits of
my mind.
Technical problems are hard, but we love them; social problems are
harder, and we repeteadly ignore them until they explode.
--
Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es
Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org
If you want the holes in your knowledge showing up try teaching someone.
-- Alan Cox
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