On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:59 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > > [...] > > > > > > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no. > > > > Subconcious fear to delivery in time ? Probably yes. Stop thinking > > > > about who you're going to ask to be expelled next and spend some > > > > time considering not my words, but just Etch. > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > If I didn't care about etch, I could just as easily sit back and let Sven > > do his thing (as I have been doing for the past few months); however, I > > Are you implying that it was because of me that you have taken a backseat > recently ? I remember somethign else, about you being frustrated with DAM and
No, I am implying that I have no desire to resume working with the team with you on it, now that the security details are being worked out. > the security team, and deciding to work more with the ubuntu guys at that > time. I was really sad to see this happen, as your input was very valuable to > the debian kernel team, and i told you so back then. I fail to see how ubuntu factors into this conversation at all. Check the changelogs; I haven't contributed anything to an ubuntu kernel since last May or so. I was evaluating my options wrt to what distribution to run on servers (since at the time I did not feel comfortable running a sarge kernel on them), and ubuntu is one of them. > > > would like to see the release happen. Given the time and resources that > > Sven's arguments consume, I am convinced that expelling him will make things > > run a lot smoother. > > maybe, but then you forget all the work i did to get 2.6.14 out, and i do > currently not believe that we would have achieved that much if i had not > strongly worked for it. I had to endure flames and insults from maks, manoj > and jonas over the ramdisk-generator issue, an issue all where talking about > since weeks and months, but nobody decided to act. Notice that already then > there was a rather odious flamewar, and it is instead disgusting to have to go > through such to get people to not dismiss you out of the hand because it is > not like they have been doing since since forever. I still think the whole ramdisk generator thing is silly, but that's not really on-topic, and we've had this discussion before. I wasn't involved in the flamewar, and I don't care to be; I suspect your posts made up a large portion of the thread, however (just like in this thread). > > As a result, we solved the ramdisk generator dilemna to everybody's > satisfaction, we managed to do same-day releases, which nobody thought > possible, and was never heard off in debian (who was known for largely > out-dated kernels, and needing a whole month to upgrade the d-i kernel). > > > For starters, I/we need to figure out a sane way to deal w/ 3rd party kernel > > modules. I'm not sure the status of this, since Sven was adamant about this > > happening his way; I'm not even willing to even touch the issue while he's > > I notice though that back then my way, was also the way you advocated against > manoj. Strange no, the way memory work. > I recall initially discussing options w/ you and dannf about how to do it. I don't remember Manoj factoring into the discussion at all. [...] > > I leave this all to you, i hope you are up to the responsability, and will not > participate again in the kernel team until i am asked to. > Why would this be all on me? It's a team effort; I would hope that I would be able to work on those issues w/ fellow kernel team members that are interested in actually getting them solved (and not wasting time arguing back and forth, refusing to compromise). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
