Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

[James Collier]

Hello everyone,
first time posting here. Yay!
I've been having trouble with this dconf bug for some time now. And no
solution on google seems to help.
To get this error all I need to do is try to change a setting. e.g.
open terminal:
$ gnome-calculator
Open preferences, change e.g. word size from 64 bits to 32 bits
close the preferences dialog
close the gnome-calculator application and a bunch of:
(gnome-calculator:18860): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to
dconf: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such method
'Change'
warnings pop up. Same thing happens if I want to change desktop background.
So what have I tried to fix it:
* deleted '~/.config/dconf/user'
* deleted '~/.config/dconf'
* restarted
* updated all packages

FYI I'm running stock unstable fully updated. I'm starting to think the
fault is mine but no idea where to start. Could someone please help me?
Also can you CC the reply to me as I'm not subscribed to the list.

Yours,
James Collier

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 22 apr 14, 23:49:42, Ken Heard wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to replace python and python-minimal version
> 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7 without destroying
> anything else?

This situation probably qualifies for using dpkg directly. Beware, what 
I'm suggesting below is dangerous and untested. If it breaks your system 
you get to keep the parts.

0. Make sure your packages are ok

dpkg --audit

1. Confirm which packages need to be downgraded

aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(backports))'

2. Make sure you have all needed debs downloaded locally, *in advance*.

For safety you should probably also have the debs of packages currently 
installed so you can revert if something goes wrong.

If you didn't clean apt's cache these will be in 
/var/cache/apt/archives, otherwise download them from 
snapshot.debian.org.

3a. use dpkg --force-depends to remove python and python-minimal

dpkg --force-depends --purge python python-minimal

3b. use dpkg to install the stable versions

dpkg --install 

Alternatively you can also use

dpkg --force-downgrade --install 

but my feeling is that purging and installing is safer.

4. Check with 'dpkg --audit' that everything is ok.

Hope this helps,
Andrei
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Re: Securing apache

[Jochen Spieker]

Sven Hartge:
> Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> 
>> I didn't check, but I would be surprised if it was possible to only
>> install Apache 2.4 from testing without upgrading half of your system.
>> What you need is a backport -- Apache 2.4 compiled against the library
>> versions available in wheezy. Currently, there is no official
>> backport.
> 
> Since to backport apache2.4 you need to backport (or at lease recompile)
> _everything_ touching apache, including _any_ package providing
> config-snippets (since some of the syntax of the apache-configuration
> changed), I doubt there will ever be a backport of apache2.4 to Wheezy.

Makes sense. I hope they find a nice upgrade path for all involved
packages. The transition to Apache 2.4 is probably going to be painful
for years to come.

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Re: Sudo Autoremove wanting to kill my system?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 22 April 2014 23:56:00 Tom Furie wrote:
> If there is a package on my systems which I know nobody uses it gets
> removed, simply because it doesn't need to be there. But then, I come
> from an age when every byte mattered and think if people were as frugal
> now as they were then our modern systems would perform even better than
> they already do.

Many of us come from that age.  But a) attempting to remove a desktop can mess 
up a system and b) I find it quite useful to have two desktops available.  
Then if one breaks I still have the other to sort out the mess if I want to 
see something in a GUI, or even to use a more friendly terminal for CLI work. 

Trying to save a few GB on a TB drive seems to me to be pointless.  When I 
first started driving I had to change down gear to get up a hill, and double 
declutch to get into first gear.  I don't therefore drive a modern car in the 
same fashion.

Writing a concise, elegant program is different again.  There is a 
satisfaction in elegance that is missing in prolixity.

Lisi


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Re: Securing apache

[Sven Hartge]

Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> Sven Hartge:
>> Jochen Spieker  wrote:

>>> I didn't check, but I would be surprised if it was possible to only
>>> install Apache 2.4 from testing without upgrading half of your
>>> system.  What you need is a backport -- Apache 2.4 compiled against
>>> the library versions available in wheezy. Currently, there is no
>>> official backport.
>> 
>> Since to backport apache2.4 you need to backport (or at lease
>> recompile) _everything_ touching apache, including _any_ package
>> providing config-snippets (since some of the syntax of the
>> apache-configuration changed), I doubt there will ever be a backport
>> of apache2.4 to Wheezy.

> Makes sense. I hope they find a nice upgrade path for all involved
> packages. The transition to Apache 2.4 is probably going to be painful
> for years to come.

Right now packages with DDs who care about easy backporting carry code
like this in their config snippets (example from roundcube):

 = 2.3>
   Require all granted
 
 
   Order allow,deny
   Allow from all
 

You can also enable a compatibility module for apache, but this practice
is frowned upon, since it can cause problems if you combine both (new
and old) methods of granting or denying access.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Securing apache

[Jochen Spieker]

Sven Hartge:
> Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> 
>> Makes sense. I hope they find a nice upgrade path for all involved
>> packages. The transition to Apache 2.4 is probably going to be painful
>> for years to come.
> 
> Right now packages with DDs who care about easy backporting carry code
> like this in their config snippets (example from roundcube):
> 
>  = 2.3>
>Require all granted
>  

Nice, I didn't know mod_version yet.

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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Brian]

On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 01:30:07 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

> I took up on your suggestions and below is the feedback:
> 
> After typing the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 ident' the response 
> was:
> 
> Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/
> Mounting CD-ROM
> Identifying{a long string of alphanumeric characters}
> Stored label: Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 
> 20140208-13:47
> Unmounting CD-ROM...

The correct mount point is identified and the "Stored label" means
sources.list should be edited to have

  deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 
20140208-13:47]/ wheezy main

put in it. Note that you have to add "[", "]/", the distibution name and the 
suites.

> Following the above response, I issued another command 'sudo apt-cdrom
> --no-auto-detect -d /media/usb0 add' and the reply from the OS was as
> shown below:
> 
> Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/
> Unmounting CD-ROM
> Waiting for disc..
> Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
> 
> The USB flash/thumb drive had all the while been in the USB port. All I did 
> was to press 'Enter' and below was the response:
> 
> Mounting CD-ROM
> Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters}
> Scanning disc for index files..
> Found 2 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 2 translation indexes and 0 
> signatures
> This disc is called Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD 
> Binary-1 20140208-13:47
> Reading Package Indexes.Done
> Writing new source list
> Source list entries for this disc are: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 
> _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/ wheezy contrib main
> Unmounting CD-ROM
> Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set

The modified command worked. Your sources.list should now contain the
entry:

  deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 
20140208-13:47]/ wheezy contrib main
 
> Seeing that the OS was able to detect that my USB stick contains the Debian 
> installer, I re-issued the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add' and 
> pressed 'Enter'. The error message is the same, viz.:
> 
> Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
> Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters}
> Scanning disc for index files...
> Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 
> signatures
> W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/'
> E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or 
> the wrong architecture
> 
> What shall I do now, please? Is this a bug in the 'apt' package?

There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and
updated your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie.


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Re: Why pack open movie editor is not in the repositories?

[Brian]

On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 14:47:44 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> On 23/04/14 12:42, Marco Flores wrote:
> 
> > 
> > <<<
> > 
> > 1. Why pack open movie editor is not in the repositories? I consider
> > it an indispensable program and best video editor.
> 
> "Pack Open Movie Editor"?
> Never heard of it  Do you mean "Open Movie Editor"?
> http://www.openmovieeditor.org/
> It's in Sid - but only for m68k platform, and in and old-stable
> (Squeeze) for all platforms.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624529


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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Brian]

On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 23:49:42 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:

> I just acquired a HP LaserJet Pro 400 multi-function printer model
> M475dw.  I am now trying to set it up in my Debian Squeeze 6.0.9 box by
> using command "hplip-3.14.4.run" provided by
> http://hplipopensource.com. One of the packages required in order to
> set this printer up is python-dev.

python-dev isn't required to set up printing. That can be done using
http://localhost:631 or with lpinfo plus lpadmin.


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Nuno Magalhães]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Roger Klorese  wrote:
> If I agree to let you watch me 24/7, you 're not spying.

People just click agree without reading - otherwise they have no
access to the service, so i'm not sure if the argument applies.
I guess misinformed agreement is the user's problem,not Google's, but stil...


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Re: Compromised ext4 filesystem after mdadm manipulation error

[Ron Leach]

On 22/04/2014 20:50, L.M.J wrote:


I would like to know if there is a last chance to recover ma data ?




The people that will know are on the linux-raid list, here:

http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid

I haven't seen a reply to your message so, if you still have the problem,
(i) stop
(ii) say just what you've said here, but on the raid list

If recovery is possible, they know what should be done.  And they're 
nice people, they develop the raid system, and are usually happy to 
take a moment to explain what's needed.


Data loss is easy to do by mistake, I think, but if it can be 
recovered you will be able to do so, good luck,


Ron


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Re: UEFI install

[Steve McIntyre]

Corey wrote:
>
>I got a new laptop without a CD/DVD drive and am trying to install off a 
>USB image and either dual boot my pre-installed windows 8.1 or just wipe 
>and use strictly Debian.  I get all the way to the point of installing 
>GRUB and it fails.  I've read that this may have something to do with 
>the disk being GPT instead of MBR?  How do I get a dual boot Windows 8.1 
>and Debian Wheezy install?  Or at the least have Debian successfully 
>installed (although I'm afraid of wiping the HDD and losing the ability 
>to revert back to Windows)

Hi,

Which version of Debian did you try to install? What eactly happened
when grub installation failed?

Debian Wheezy (7.x) and onwards for amd64 should install via UEFI and
co-exist happily with Windows 8 on a GPT system, but there may be bugs
of course. If you can give us some more information that should help.

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Re: Compromised ext4 filesystem after mdadm manipulation error

[L. M. J]

On 23 avril 2014 12:12:17 CEST, Ron Leach  wrote:
>On 22/04/2014 20:50, L.M.J wrote:
>>
>> I would like to know if there is a last chance to recover ma data ?
>>
>>
>
>The people that will know are on the linux-raid list, here:
>
>http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid
>
>I haven't seen a reply to your message so, if you still have the
>problem,
>(i) stop
>(ii) say just what you've said here, but on the raid list
>
>If recovery is possible, they know what should be done.  And they're 
>nice people, they develop the raid system, and are usually happy to 
>take a moment to explain what's needed.
>
>Data loss is easy to do by mistake, I think, but if it can be 
>recovered you will be able to do so, good luck,
>
>Ron

Thanks for your answer, I will try this Linux-raid list. 
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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:18:49 +0100
Nuno Magalhães  wrote:

Hello Nuno,

>I guess misinformed agreement is the user's problem,not Google's, but

Indeed it is.  If you're offered the opportunity to read the T&Cs, it's
up to the user to do so.  If the user blindly accepts the T&Cs, they
can't go crying to all and sundry about it later.  Well, they can but
they'll get little to no sympathy.

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Re: Debian Noob and MSCORE fonts

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 03:36 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:43:59PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:39:11 -0500
> > "c. marlow"  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello c.,
> > 
> > >Ok I removed the ones that said SOURCE CODE
> > 
> > They're handy to have.  It wasn't the wisest move to delete them so
> > reinstate them.
> 
> I disagree, you can quite happily remove/comment out the deb-src entries
> and I reckon 99.9% of the users wouldn't even notice. It saves
> bandwidth, mirror load, and downloading unnecessary stuff to your computer.
> 
> I don't have any deb-src entries and I have compiled stuff without any
> problem, also if you do do something that requires a deb-src entry, you
> will get an appropriate message saying so.
> 
> IOW, I advocate leaving them out.

Good point!


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Re: Sudo Autoremove wanting to kill my system?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 16:29 -0500, c. marlow wrote:
> I guess I am going to have to re install tonight..  :(
> bummer

You should make backups in the future, so you could restore a broken
install from a backup.



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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Henning Follmann]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 02:11:44PM -0700, Roger Klorese wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Henning Follmann  
> > wrote:
> > E. Wrong.
> > You pay with being spied on for marketing purposes.
> > 
> > -
> 
> And to some of us that is an unacceptable cost, and to others, an acceptable 
> process. If I agree to let you watch me 24/7, you 're not spying. 
> 


Some would say that is the difference between fully comprehending the
consequences and sticking your head into the sand. Or between being paranoid
and being a sucker.

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grub2 menu problems

[Muntasim Ul Haque]

Hi,
I dual-booted Debian with Windows 8. Windows 8 is shown as /Windows 
Vista/ in grub menu. When I select that Windows Vista and press the 
Enter key, an error message occurs saying: *


error: no argument specified**
**press any key to continue...*

When I press Enter then it boots into Windows 8 without any problem. So 
I don't have any big issue here except Windows 8 is detected as Windows 
Vista and that occurrence of error message. So what's the remedy?


With thanks,
Muntasim Ul Haque

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Henning Follmann]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:04:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 09:47:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:25:18AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Xiánwén Chén wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Patrick,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why not just a second Gmail account for various lists?
> > > > > 
> > > > > That was the first thing I considered, but didn't want to be a
> > > > > part of Google+ and all that social networking crap Google
> > > > > pushes on gmail applicants.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I do not know what you are expecting.
> > > 
> > > I didn't want all the headaches of Google+ (something I'll NEVER use
> > > or participate in) just for an email account.
> > > 
> > > > Free does not exist. There is always a price.
> > > 
> > > It was a price I was unwilling to pay. 
> > > 
> > > > Unfortunately today the majority chooses free beer over free
> > > > speech.
> > > 
> > > Well, I've done a little research, and have found I can have both
> > > free beer and free speech. You can get a "free" gmail account
> > > without Google+.
> > > 
> > E. Wrong.
> > You pay with being spied on for marketing purposes.
> 
> I don't know how useful such marketing info will be on correspondence
> from a few technically oriented mail lists.  Google probably gets way
> better info from Chrome. ;-)  Although from the ads I see, I think
> the algorithm is very badly broken.  It has yet to correctly determine
> even my gender.
> 

So you think they only look at the content of the mail?
They can read that already without you having an account with them.
Or do they track 
- how often and when you check your mail
- how often you reply
- the location from where you are checking?

The algorithm is not broken. It is big data. That is the crux with
statistics there is no factual link between cause and effects. It's just
hedging you bets. So you don't fit their statistical modeling. Good (or
bad) for you. Here is the scary part, they actually might know more about
your future than you do and the ads are dead on. You yet do not even know
about your sex change in two years ;)


-H


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Ty.

On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:34:29 -0700,
ty wrote:

> Perhaps this will work?
> #!/bin/bash
> echo 1 #Non Logged Commands
> echo 2
> echo 3
> echo 4
> (
> set -x
> echo 5 #Logged Commands
> echo 6
> echo 7
> echo 8
> ) 2>> log
> echo 9 #Non Logged Commands
> echo 10
> 
> Output of terminal:
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> 5
> 6
> 7
> 8
> 9
> 10
> 
> Output of log:
> ++ echo 5
> ++ echo 6
> ++ echo 7
> ++ echo 8

This seems to be what I need. Although in some parts of the script, I am
getting an "ambiguous redirect".


 87   ### Add routes ###
 88   $ECHO "Applying rules for simultaneous routing..."
 89   (
 90 set -x
 91 $IP route add ${VPN_NET[$N]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[$N]} src ${VPN_IP[$N]} 
table $N
 92 $IP route add default via ${VPN_GW[$N]} table $N
 93 
 94 $IP route add ${VPN_NET[$N]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[$N]} src ${VPN_IP[$N]}
 95 
 96 $IP rule add from ${VPN_IP[$N]} table $N
 97   ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
 98   $ECHO 
=
 99   ### Add routes ###
100 done
101
102 ### We make balancing between the two VPNs ###
103 $ECHO "Applying rules for balancing..."
104 
105 $ECHO "We removed the default route on the server..."
106 (
107   set -x
108   $IP route del default via 162.252.86.177
109 ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
110 $ECHO "...and we distribute outbound traffic between the two VPNs..."
111 (
112   set -x
113   $IP route add default scope global \
114 nexthop via ${VPN_IP[1]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[1]} weight 1 \
115 nexthop via ${VPN_IP[2]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[2]} weight 1
116 ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
117 ### We make balancing between the two VPNs ###
118 fi

For example, I am getting this error on line 118, but previous run
smoothly.


Thanks for responding.


Regards,
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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 23 April 2014 13:22:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:04:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 09:47:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:25:18AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Xiánwén Chén wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Patrick,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not just a second Gmail account for various lists?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That was the first thing I considered, but didn't want to be a
> > > > > > part of Google+ and all that social networking crap Google
> > > > > > pushes on gmail applicants.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know what you are expecting.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't want all the headaches of Google+ (something I'll NEVER use
> > > > or participate in) just for an email account.
> > > >
> > > > > Free does not exist. There is always a price.
> > > >
> > > > It was a price I was unwilling to pay.
> > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately today the majority chooses free beer over free
> > > > > speech.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I've done a little research, and have found I can have both
> > > > free beer and free speech. You can get a "free" gmail account
> > > > without Google+.
> > >
> > > E. Wrong.
> > > You pay with being spied on for marketing purposes.
> >
> > I don't know how useful such marketing info will be on correspondence
> > from a few technically oriented mail lists.  Google probably gets way
> > better info from Chrome. ;-)  Although from the ads I see, I think
> > the algorithm is very badly broken.  It has yet to correctly determine
> > even my gender.
>
> So you think they only look at the content of the mail?
> They can read that already without you having an account with them.
> Or do they track
> - how often and when you check your mail
> - how often you reply
> - the location from where you are checking?
>
> The algorithm is not broken. It is big data. That is the crux with
> statistics there is no factual link between cause and effects. It's just
> hedging you bets. So you don't fit their statistical modeling. Good (or
> bad) for you. Here is the scary part, they actually might know more about
> your future than you do and the ads are dead on. You yet do not even know
> about your sex change in two years ;)

I don't get any ads.

Lisi


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 23 April 2014 13:56:28 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I don't get any ads.

I sometimes do.  Sorry.  Just not always.  But I never see them.  I have to 
make a special effort to do so, and I don't make the effort.

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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Scott Ferguson]

On 23/04/14 22:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:> On Wednesday 23 April 2014
13:22:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:04:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 09:47:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek
 wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:25:18AM -0700, Patrick Bartek
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Xiánwén Chén wrote:
 Hi Patrick,
 
 Why not just a second Gmail account for various lists?
>>> 
>>> That was the first thing I considered, but didn't want to
>>> be a part of Google+ and all that social networking crap
>>> Google pushes on gmail applicants.
>> 
>> I do not know what you are expecting.
> 
> I didn't want all the headaches of Google+ (something I'll
> NEVER use or participate in) just for an email account.
> 
>> Free does not exist. There is always a price.
> 
> It was a price I was unwilling to pay.
> 
>> Unfortunately today the majority chooses free beer over
>> free speech.
> 
> Well, I've done a little research, and have found I can have
> both free beer and free speech. You can get a "free" gmail
> account without Google+.
 
 E. Wrong. You pay with being spied on for marketing
 purposes.
>>> 
>>> I don't know how useful such marketing info will be on
>>> correspondence from a few technically oriented mail lists.
>>> Google probably gets way better info from Chrome. ;-)  Although
>>> from the ads I see, I think the algorithm is very badly broken.
>>> It has yet to correctly determine even my gender.
>> 
>> So you think they only look at the content of the mail? They can
>> read that already without you having an account with them. Or do
>> they track - how often and when you check your mail - how often you
>> reply - the location from where you are checking?
>> 
>> The algorithm is not broken. It is big data. That is the crux with 
>> statistics there is no factual link between cause and effects. It's
>> just hedging you bets. So you don't fit their statistical modeling.
>> Good (or bad) for you. Here is the scary part, they actually might
>> know more about your future than you do and the ads are dead on.
>> You yet do not even know about your sex change in two years ;)
> 
> I don't get any ads.

That's a fact.
But this thread is now about Confirmation Bias. So your facts, like many
other facts, are both irrelevant, and (simultaneously) further proof of
The Evil Plan(TM) - that's "The" Evil Plan, singular, not the "multiple
shades of grey, evil is subjective, plan". Which may seem contradictory
and illogical but...(sigh).


> 
> Lisi
> 
> 


Kind regards


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Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

[berenger . morel]

Le 23.04.2014 09:00, James Collier a écrit :

Hello everyone,
first time posting here. Yay!
I've been having trouble with this dconf bug for some time now. And
no solution on google seems to help.
 To get this error all I need to do is try to change a setting. e.g.
open terminal:
$ gnome-calculator
Open preferences, change e.g. word size from 64 bits to 32 bits
close the preferences dialog
 close the gnome-calculator application and a bunch of:
(gnome-calculator:18860): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes
to dconf: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No
such method 'Change'
 warnings pop up. Same thing happens if I want to change desktop
background.
So what have I tried to fix it:
* deleted '~/.config/dconf/user'
* deleted '~/.config/dconf'
 * restarted
* updated all packages

FYI I'm running stock unstable fully updated. I'm starting to think
the fault is mine but no idea where to start. Could someone please
help me?
 Also can you CC the reply to me as I'm not subscribed to the list.

Yours,
James Collier


Which package exactly do you have about dconf? What I can see on 
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=dconf 
is that the only dconf package is only in old-stable. Since you are in 
unstable, I strongly doubt that you are using this one...


I was thinking that it could be a bug introduced in unstable, but all 
dconf* packages seems to have the same version in testing, so my 
original idea about downgrading is not applicable here. Do you have all 
recommended packages installed? One might miss, which would lead to that 
kind of warning. In this case, you could then report the problem back to 
Debian, since it would be a bug. And since you have removed and 
recreated all your configuration files about dconf, I would not be 
surprised of this.


Also, you could check if there is related stuff in ~/.share/dconf, and 
you could try to regenerate ~/.share/dbus + ~/.config/dbus.


Hope it helps.


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Henning Follmann]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 01:56:28PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 April 2014 13:22:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:04:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 09:47:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:25:18AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Xiánwén Chén wrote:

[...]

> > > > > > Unfortunately today the majority chooses free beer over free
> > > > > > speech.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I've done a little research, and have found I can have both
> > > > > free beer and free speech. You can get a "free" gmail account
> > > > > without Google+.
> > > >
> > > > E. Wrong.
> > > > You pay with being spied on for marketing purposes.
> > >
> > > I don't know how useful such marketing info will be on correspondence
> > > from a few technically oriented mail lists.  Google probably gets way
> > > better info from Chrome. ;-)  Although from the ads I see, I think
> > > the algorithm is very badly broken.  It has yet to correctly determine
> > > even my gender.
> >
> > So you think they only look at the content of the mail?
> > They can read that already without you having an account with them.
> > Or do they track
> > - how often and when you check your mail
> > - how often you reply
> > - the location from where you are checking?
> >
> > The algorithm is not broken. It is big data. That is the crux with
> > statistics there is no factual link between cause and effects. It's just
> > hedging you bets. So you don't fit their statistical modeling. Good (or
> > bad) for you. Here is the scary part, they actually might know more about
> > your future than you do and the ads are dead on. You yet do not even know
> > about your sex change in two years ;)
> 
> I don't get any ads.
> 
> Lisi
> 
> 

Pointless and wrong too. The fact that the ads don't make it to your screen
doesn't mean you are not targeted.

See the point I am trying to make here: our "free" culture has a very high
social price. The fact that you do not pay for google, facebook, twitter,
etc. does not mean they are free.
And tools like the debian project allow us to make decisions to work
against these social inequities. And maybe sometimes it is worth paying
money for some things to get some freedom back. The internet was at it
inception a very decentralized idea. Today it is massively centralized.
Especially breaking the communication part back open is a very important
part for a free and open society. This is also why I do not like gmail,
yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.

-H


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 23 April 2014 14:24:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
> This is also why I do not like gmail,
> yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.

Yes, but you have been very rude about those who make a decision which is 
different from yours.  Those who disagree with you are not necessarily 
suckers, they just disagree with you.  You choose to be paranoid.  That is 
your prerogative.  But it is mine to be a "sucker" if I so choose, without 
being called names.

Lisi


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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and updated 
> your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie.

OMG, far from it, I have yet to achieve my objective, which is to install 
essential packages such as xorg, gnome-core or gnome-full off the USB 
flash/thumb drive without the need to access the internet. Certainly, I did 
learn something useful from you, such as apt-cdrom, dmesg and the mount point 
of a USB stick.

I have some questions:

1. When will the next Debian version (codename: Jessie) be released?

2. I read on the internet that there is long-term support (LTS) being planned 
for Wheezy. If such is the case, do you not agree that the bug mentioned in my 
original post should be fixed in Wheezy too? Moreover between now and the 
official release date of Jessie is a period of more than 10 months. I 
understand that Debian 7.5 is being planned for release in early May. I would 
strongly recommend that Debian developers issue a fix for the bug before then.

3. Who shall I contact to ask Debian developers/maintainers to issue a fix for 
the bug for Wheezy? Are you one of them? Could you escalate the issue on my 
behalf?

I happened to google for a solution to the bug today and it appears that on 
AskUbuntu's forum, many users also encounter the same bug. So it isn't just 
Debian users; Ubuntu users are affected too.

I really appreciate your help all this while.

P.S.: If you are one of the developers/maintainers, it would be good if you 
could help us (users) out.




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Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

[Ralf Mardorf]

The idea of make a configuration file a binary file is the most serious
bug of dconf. It's bad by design and when ever possible, we should avoid
using software that needs dconf. As user use an editor that is dependent
to dconf, to edit a file with root privileges and than try to use a MUA
that's dependent to dconf, by the same user. You likely will experience
another bug by design, a privileges issue. In the future expect more
insanity caused by the GNOME/GTK think tank.


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Re: grub2 menu problems

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

What are the specifications of your hardware?

- CPU (brand and model)
- chipset (brand and model)
- RAM (brand, model and capacity)
- hard disk drive (brand, model and capacity)


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Re: UEFI install

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> Corey wrote:

> I got a new laptop without a CD/DVD drive and am trying to install off a USB 
> image and either dual boot my pre-installed windows 8.1 or just wipe and use 
> strictly Debian.

If you don't mind me asking: what is the brand and model of your new laptop?

Before wiping your hard disk drive, did you save a copy of the boot 
installation software provided by your laptop vendor/manufacturer?

May I ask why you prefer to do a UEFI install versus a normal install (with 
regards to Windows 8.1 and Debian Wheezy)?

I confirm that the latest release of Debian Wheezy, a.k.a. 7.4, supports UEFI 
install.


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Re: grub2 menu problems

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 05:54:22PM +0600, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote:
>Hi,
>I dual-booted Debian with Windows 8. Windows 8 is shown as Windows Vista
>in grub menu. When I select that Windows Vista and press the Enter key, an
>error message occurs saying:
> 
>error: no argument specified
>press any key to continue...
> 
>When I press Enter then it boots into Windows 8 without any problem. So I
>don't have any big issue here except Windows 8 is detected as Windows
>Vista and that occurrence of error message. So what's the remedy?

What version of grub and/or os-prober are you using? It may simply be
that you're using a version which is too old to know what "Windows 8"
is. Alternatively, it may be that there's no reliable way to
differentiate between Vista and 8 from a booting perspective (though
this is unlikely; what if you were triple-booting Linux, Vista and 8?
You'd want to be able to differentiate the two).

> 
>With thanks,
>Muntasim Ul Haque


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Henning Follmann]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 02:40:40PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 April 2014 14:24:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
> > This is also why I do not like gmail,
> > yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.
> 
> Yes, but you have been very rude about those who make a decision which is 
> different from yours.  Those who disagree with you are not necessarily 
> suckers, they just disagree with you.  You choose to be paranoid.  That is 
> your prerogative.  But it is mine to be a "sucker" if I so choose, without 
> being called names.
> 
> Lisi
> 
> 
I know I suck at sugarcoating. But you should be more careful about taking
things out of context.
That sentence (difference between paranoid and bein a sucker) lists the two
extremes. Yes I know I swing to the paranoid side but inbetween there are
many shades.
If you ignore all the obvious signs you are a sucker, but I don't say that
having a gmail account equals to being a sucker.

But FWIW from the day of our existence we are all suckers :)
until the sweet relieve of death.

-H

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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 09:24 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> Pointless and wrong too. The fact that the ads don't make it to your screen
> doesn't mean you are not targeted.
> 
> See the point I am trying to make here: our "free" culture has a very high
> social price. The fact that you do not pay for google, facebook, twitter,
> etc. does not mean they are free.
> And tools like the debian project allow us to make decisions to work
> against these social inequities. And maybe sometimes it is worth paying
> money for some things to get some freedom back. The internet was at it
> inception a very decentralized idea. Today it is massively centralized.
> Especially breaking the communication part back open is a very important
> part for a free and open society. This is also why I do not like gmail,
> yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.

I don't like any provider. I didn't follow this thread. Is there a
recommendation?

Log into your mailman accounts for other mailing lists and you will see
your bounce score, perhaps not seriously high, but there likely is one.

I receive mails from mailing lists with my Alice account, but if I try
to reply using the Alice account I get this:

"This message does not comply with required standards."

So today I send mails to the Debian list using a Rocketmail (Yahoo)
account, while I receive by the Alice account. For Arch general I
received messages by Alice too, but since it#s not an open list, I
needed to change from Alice to Rocketmail (Yahoo).

JFTR all accounts, Alice and Rocketmail caused trouble some days ago,
but the Alice account was unsubscribed from Debian.org lists and
delivery was disabled for several, not all, mailman lists I'm subscribed
too, the issues with Rocketmail (Yahoo) were not that extreme.




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Re: UEFI install

[Steve McIntyre]

Hi Corey,

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 07:11:45AM -0700, Corey Blair wrote:
>I downloaded debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and then used unetbootin to
>make a bootable USB flash drive from it.  I changed UEFI boot to
>legacy mode and booted off the UEFI USB.  The installer runs fine,
>but I have trouble loading the components from "cd-rom", so I execute
>a shell and mount /dev/sdb /cdrom, which used to work but now it's
>failing with "invalid argument".

Gah, yet another person using unetbootin. It's responsible for a lot
of problem reports we're seeing these days. It's totally unnecessary
for our images these days, and has been for ages. You can simply write
our amd64 and i386 images directly to a USB stick using dd or
win32diskimager. unetbootin will not start the installer in the right
way, and AFAIK won't do the right things with UEFI either.

>When it was working I went through, partitioned some space for
>Debian, got all the way to GRUB and I get something about grub failed
>to install to /target/.  I'd try to run the install again and get the
>exact message but now I am having difficulties with even loading the
>components off USB.

There's a known issue here that hits some people booting off USB in
legacy mode this way. If you can try using the DVD image (written
directly to the USB stick) again, booting in UEFI mode, that should
most likely work much better for you.

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Re: UEFI install

[Corey Blair]

I downloaded debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and then used unetbootin to 
make a bootable USB flash drive from it.  I changed UEFI boot to legacy 
mode and booted off the UEFI USB.  The installer runs fine, but I have 
trouble loading the components from "cd-rom", so I execute a shell and 
mount /dev/sdb /cdrom, which used to work but now it's failing with 
"invalid argument".


When it was working I went through, partitioned some space for Debian, 
got all the way to GRUB and I get something about grub failed to install 
to /target/.  I'd try to run the install again and get the exact message 
but now I am having difficulties with even loading the components off USB.

On 4/23/2014 3:25 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Corey wrote:

I got a new laptop without a CD/DVD drive and am trying to install off a
USB image and either dual boot my pre-installed windows 8.1 or just wipe
and use strictly Debian.  I get all the way to the point of installing
GRUB and it fails.  I've read that this may have something to do with
the disk being GPT instead of MBR?  How do I get a dual boot Windows 8.1
and Debian Wheezy install?  Or at the least have Debian successfully
installed (although I'm afraid of wiping the HDD and losing the ability
to revert back to Windows)

Hi,

Which version of Debian did you try to install? What eactly happened
when grub installation failed?

Debian Wheezy (7.x) and onwards for amd64 should install via UEFI and
co-exist happily with Windows 8 on a GPT system, but there may be bugs
of course. If you can give us some more information that should help.




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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Scott Ferguson]

On 23/04/14 23:40, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 April 2014 14:24:25 Henning Follmann wrote:
>> This is also why I do not like gmail,
>> yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.
> 
> Yes, but you have been very rude about those who make a decision which is 
> different from yours.  Those who disagree with you are not necessarily 
> suckers, they just disagree with you.  You choose to be paranoid.  That is 
> your prerogative.  But it is mine to be a "sucker" if I so choose, without 
> being called names.
> 
> Lisi
> 
> 
Not just rude, ignorant. Righteously ignorant. A dangerous combination.
If you used NoScript and AdBlock you wouldn't see Google ads on the web
interface - even less if you used IMAP or POP3 instead of the web
interface.
Gmail users don't have to join Google+. And to lecture others about
privacy on a public mailing list? The best way to guarantee public
privacy is to, um, post nothing - unless of course that's not your true
agenda.

All business *must* do what? (make a profit).

So there is no such thing as "free" email. Either the company offering
it uses it to enhance the profit of other services - they make a profit
from it directly, the company (and your free email) won't operate for
very long, or the user is deluded.

That includes 'free email' with paid hosting. Hosting email (and free
messaging services) costs money. Somewhere, someone is making money.

Be more concerned about those that market "privacy" and hide their
income stream than those that provide lengthy, detailed lists of terms
and conditions that honestly expose their business model - and be even
more concerned about those that spruik the business of companies that
don't (fully and honestly expose the business model behind their "free
services") (the biggest of which is not Google).

I can think of several, now defunct, free email providers that sold
their customer information *after* they went out of business - that and
the NSA hacks of the UK Yahoo and Google servers should give reason to
be cautious about "free" email even when you do trust the providers - if
you want to trust your email provider you must become your own email
provider (or accept the fact that "privacy" is what you can reasonably
expect on private premises behind curtains - *off* the intertubes which
belong to others, not some little bubble that envelopes you and your
information everywhere).

There are dozens of free email providers - they all try and make money
from your usage, some are more honest than others.
There are millions of email users - most misinformed and (humanly) biased.

If one archer misses the target by 2cm and another by 2m, is one a
better shot, or, are they both worthless? Comparing the "privacy" of
"free" email providers is not dissimilar.

Currently it appears that privacy is becoming the new refuge of scoundrels.


Kind regards


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 14:08 +, mailer-dae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.
> 
> :
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> to correct HELO and DNS MX settings or to get removed from DNSBLs; please 
> relay via your ISP (rocketmail.com) [RCPT_TO
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><2014040431.03e30...@debian7.boseck208.net>
><2014042315.ga24...@newton.itcfollmann.com>
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> On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 16:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 09:24 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > Pointless and wrong too. The fact that the ads don't make it to your 
> > > screen
> > > doesn't mean you are not targeted.
> > > 
> > > See the point I am trying to make here: our "free" culture has a very high
> > > social price. The fact that you do not pay for google, facebook, twitter,
> > > etc. does not mean they are free.
> > > And tools like the debian project allow us to make decisions to work
> > > against these social inequities. And maybe sometimes it is worth paying
> > > money for some things to get some freedom back. The internet was at it
> > > inception a very decentralized idea. Today it is massively centralized.
> > > Especially breaking the communication part back open is a very important
> > > part for a free and open society. This is also why I do not like gmail,
> > > yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.
> > 
> > I don't like any provider. I didn't follow this thread. Is there a
> > recommendation?
> > 
> > Log into your mailman accounts for other mailing lists and you will see
> > your bounce score, perhaps not seriously high, but there likely is one.
> > 
> > I receive mails from mailing lists with my Alice account, but if I try
> > to reply using the Alice account I get this:
> > 
> > "This message does not comply with required standards."
> > 
> > So today I send mails to the Debian list using a Rocketmail (Yahoo)
> > account, while I receive by the Alice account. For Arch general I
> > received messages by Alice too, but since it#s not an open list, I
> > needed to change from Alice to Rocketmail (Yahoo).
> > 
> > JFTR all accounts, Alice and Rocketmail caused trouble some days ago,
> > but the Alice account was unsubscribed from Debian.org lists and
> > delivery was disabled for several, not

Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

[berenger . morel]

Le 23.04.2014 15:33, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
The idea of make a configuration file a binary file is the most 
serious
bug of dconf. It's bad by design and when ever possible, we should 
avoid
using software that needs dconf. As user use an editor that is 
dependent
to dconf, to edit a file with root privileges and than try to use a 
MUA
that's dependent to dconf, by the same user. You likely will 
experience

another bug by design, a privileges issue. In the future expect more
insanity caused by the GNOME/GTK think tank.


You know, I think exactly the same ( I'm quite fond of minimal systems, 
because, they are lighter, contains less bugs because less code, and 
when a problem occur, it is easier to solve... oh, and it's faster to 
download them, too :p ), plus some other stuff about things which 
depends on dbus ( using XML everywhere is... hum... no, I will refrain 
myself here ).


I just avoided speaking about those, because James might not be used to 
the mailing-list's discussions about bloat-wares, gnome, systemd, etc...



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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Ken Heard]

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On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 23:49:42 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
> 
>> I just acquired a HP LaserJet Pro 400 multi-function printer 
>> model M475dw.  I am now trying to set it up in my Debian Squeeze
>>  6.0.9 box by using command "hplip-3.14.4.run" provided by 
>> http://hplipopensource.com. One of the packages required in order
>> to set this printer up is python-dev.
> 
> python-dev isn't required to set up printing.

It is required if I want to set it up -- or have to set it up -- using
http://hplipopensource.com.

> That can be done using http://localhost:631

I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular
printer mentioned above.

> or with lpinfo plus lpadmin.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by the above.  They do not
seem to be root commands.  I am aware that lpadmin is a group of which
I am a member.

Regards, Ken



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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 23 April 2014 15:45:13 Ken Heard wrote:
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> On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 23:49:42 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
> >> I just acquired a HP LaserJet Pro 400 multi-function printer
> >> model M475dw.  I am now trying to set it up in my Debian Squeeze
> >>  6.0.9 box by using command "hplip-3.14.4.run" provided by
> >> http://hplipopensource.com. One of the packages required in order
> >> to set this printer up is python-dev.
> >
> > python-dev isn't required to set up printing.
>
> It is required if I want to set it up -- or have to set it up -- using
> http://hplipopensource.com.
>
> > That can be done using http://localhost:631
>
> I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular
> printer mentioned above.

Have you tried HPLIP?
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=uk&dlc=en&docname=buu00659&lc=en&jumpid=reg_r1002_uken_c-001_title_r0002

> > or with lpinfo plus lpadmin.
>
> I am not sure I understand what you mean by the above.  They do not
> seem to be root commands.  I am aware that lpadmin is a group of which
> I am a member.
>
> Regards, Ken
>
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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 23 April 2014 15:59:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 April 2014 15:45:13 Ken Heard wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 23:49:42 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
> > >> I just acquired a HP LaserJet Pro 400 multi-function printer
> > >> model M475dw.  I am now trying to set it up in my Debian Squeeze
> > >>  6.0.9 box by using command "hplip-3.14.4.run" provided by
> > >> http://hplipopensource.com. One of the packages required in order
> > >> to set this printer up is python-dev.
> > >
> > > python-dev isn't required to set up printing.
> >
> > It is required if I want to set it up -- or have to set it up -- using
> > http://hplipopensource.com.
> >
> > > That can be done using http://localhost:631
> >
> > I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular
> > printer mentioned above.
>
> Have you tried HPLIP?
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=uk&dlc=en&docname=buu00659&l
>c=en&jumpid=reg_r1002_uken_c-001_title_r0002

And you've no doubt done this.
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/search/node/laserjet%20pro%20400

Lisi


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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Ken Heard]

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On 2014-04-23 03:00, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 22 apr 14, 23:49:42, Ken Heard wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way to replace python and python-minimal version 
>> 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7 without
>> destroying anything else?
> 
> This situation probably qualifies for using dpkg directly. Beware,
> what I'm suggesting below is dangerous and untested. If it breaks
> your system you get to keep the parts.
> 
> 0. Make sure your packages are ok
> 
> dpkg --audit

Command returned nothing.

> 1. Confirm which packages need to be downgraded
> 
> aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(backports))'

This command also returned nothing.

> 2. Make sure you have all needed debs downloaded locally, *in
> advance*.

Do you mean creating a local repository for the two debs I need,
adding that repository to /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get
update?  The two packages I want to install are already in the squeeze
repository.

> For safety you should probably also have the debs of packages
> currently installed so you can revert if something goes wrong.
> 
> If you didn't clean apt's cache these will be in 
> /var/cache/apt/archives,

That directory contains only 123 deb files; obviously many more than
125 are currently installed.  I have never consciously cleaned the
cache.  Does something in a chron file perhaps clean it periodically?

> otherwise download them from snapshot.debian.org.

I looked at the website, it would be quite an effort to find a date
which would cover the current state of all packages installed in the
box.  I would doubtless miss many.

> 3a. use dpkg --force-depends to remove python and python-minimal
> 
> dpkg --force-depends --purge python python-minimal

If I understand it correctly, --force-depends will warn me of broken
dependencies only; it will not remove package chains which will not
work when those two packages are removed.

> 3b. use dpkg to install the stable versions
> 
> dpkg --install 

As the two files I want are already in old stable (squeeze), and that
is where /etc/apt/sources.list points to, surely all I would need to
do is merely list them.

> Alternatively you can also use
> 
> dpkg --force-downgrade --install 
> 
> but my feeling is that purging and installing is safer.

Probably, but setting up a reverting backup as you described does not
inspire confidence.  Perhaps it would be better to do without printing
- -- I do not have another printer -- until I can upgrade to Wheezy in a
month or two.  I could live with that option but with bad grace.

> 4. Check with 'dpkg --audit' that everything is ok.
> 
> Hope this helps, Andrei

Regards, Ken
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Mysql database dump quit working

[John Foster]

I have a mediawiki site running on Mysql db; I just started getting this
message on my automated backup;

mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mywiki/searchindex' is marked as
crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when using LOCK TABLES

Any ideas?
Thanks
John


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Re: Mysql database dump quit working

[Henning Follmann]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:33:34AM -0500, John Foster wrote:
> I have a mediawiki site running on Mysql db; I just started getting this
> message on my automated backup;
> 
> mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mywiki/searchindex' is marked as
> crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when using LOCK TABLES
> 
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> John
> 
> 

Is the table searchindex a myisam table?

You can try to repair that table with myisamchk.


-H



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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Patrick Bartek]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014, Richard Hector wrote:

> On 22/04/14 05:25, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > FYI: You're
> > forced into having a gmail account with an Android phone.
> 
> I think I have a gmail account somewhere. I've never associated it
> with my Android phone though.
> 
> That means of course that I don't have access to Google Play or
> whatever it's called, but I'm happy enough with the apps I can get
> from f-droid.

I don't know if a Google/gmail account is really _required_ with Android
phones, but you are strongly advised (and nagged) to set up one.  As you
said, without it, no OS or app updates, no app downloads, etc.  So for
full phone functionality, you need one. And as I already had a gmail
account I used for business and wanted access to it from the phone, I
just used that account.


B


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:06:41 -0300
Daniel Bareiro  wrote:

> 
> Hi all!
> 
> I'm writing a bash script that runs several routing commands. I would
> like these commands, on a part of the script, plus run, are saved to a
> log file.
> 
> I guess maybe it could be done by putting the commands in a variable
> and then do:
> 
> $CMD
> echo $CMD
> 
> 
> But perhaps there is a more elegant way to do this in a single line.

Make a function in the bash script something like this:

function do_command(){
  echo -n `date` >> $logfile
  echo $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 >> $logfile
  $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 
}

If you want to record the output of each command, you'd change the
final line to $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6  >> $logfile

In the main script, you'd call it like this:

do_command sudo mount -a

I haven't tested this, so you'll need to tighten it up a little, and it
could be made more elegant, but it's a starting point.

HTH,

SteveT

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Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:54:22 +0600
Muntasim Ul Haque  wrote:

> When I press Enter then it boots into Windows 8 without any problem.
> So I don't have any big issue here except Windows 8 is detected as
> Windows Vista and that occurrence of error message. So what's the
> remedy?

Grub used to be good software. Predictable, non-surprising, one config
file you edited with an editor. Those days are gone.

Now, with grub 2, I need to be an expert on seven or so files that get
processed into one big one, which acts as the config. I don't mind
acquiring expertise for something important like LaTeX for writing
books or Python for making my computer do my bidding, but I don't want
to spend hours or days gaining expertise just for a program telling the
computer the kernel and initrd locations, and a few other things. With
gui, splash screens, frame-buffers, and all sorts of other gobblty-gook.

I considered going back to LILO, but it still has no understanding of
filesystems: It's easy to bork and hard to fix. Not as hard as Grub 2
though.

Is there a simpler bootloader that works with Linux? I don't want GUI.
I don't want a framebuffer. I don't want a splash screen. And I don't
want to wade through seven files to turn those things off. Basically,
I'd like something like LILO that understands ext4.

Thanks,

SteveT

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[Debian testing] Reopen bug 504297

[ano mous]

Hi,
I had a try to reopen the bug 504297 but it failed.
I have an ultrabook which has a soldered ssd on the motherboard. The ssd is
dead an since the death of ssd I get this error during boot: ata2: COMRESET
failed (errno=-16)
I have tried to disable the ssd by putting libata.force=2:disable in grub
and making the file /etc/modprobe.d/libata.conf with content "options
libata force=2:disable"
None of these ways solves the issue.
Could you please help me to solve the problem? My boot time is extremely
long (about 2-3 minutes) and wake up from suspend takes also about 1 minute.
Regards,


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From: Moritz Muehlenhoff 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:17:06 +0200
Subject: Re: [Debian] Reopen bug 504297
To: ano mous 

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:24:35PM +0200, ano mous wrote:
> Hi Moritz,
> I had a try to reopen the bug 504297 but it failed.
> I have an ultrabook which has a soldered ssd on the motherboard. The ssd is
> dead an since the death of ssd I get this error during boot: ata2: COMRESET
> failed (errno=-16)
> I have tried to disable the ssd by putting libata.force=2:disable in grub
> and making the file /etc/modprobe.d/libata.conf with content "options
> libata force=2:disable"
> None of these ways solves the issue.
> Could you please help me to solve the problem? My boot time is extremely
> long (about 2-3 minutes) and unlock from screen-saver takes also about 1
> minute.

I don't have time currently, please contact debian-user@lists.debian.org


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Chris Davies]

Daniel Bareiro  wrote:
> What I meant is to have a group of commands in a script that, in
> addition to being executed, I want these commands are stored in a log.

LOG=/var/log/...logfile...

ExecAndLog()
{
# Season with date, PID, user, etc., to taste
echo "$*" >>"$LOG"
"$@"

# Could capture $? (exit status), stdout, stderr, etc. if desired
}

# ...later...

ExecAndLog $IP route add ...whatever...
ExecAndLog $IP route add ...whatever...
ExecAndLog $IP route add ...whatever...

Chris


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Re: Cropping a large collection of .PNG screenshots

[Alberto Luaces]

Slavko writes:

> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:20:54 +0200 Alberto Luaces
> napísal:
>
>> In order to get the clipping coordinates, "display" from the same
>> package bringing "convert" can be used: press "c" and then drag the
>> mouse to define the region.
>> 
>> "display" loading is almost instantaneous.
>
> I didn't know about his feature of the display. But it is not the same,
> although both provides coordinates, the display don't allow to finalize
> selection by moving the selection's border.
>
> Or is there in display solution for this too, please?

None that I know of, if I understand you correctly.

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Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 16:38 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> You know, I think exactly the same [snip]
> the mailing-list's discussions about bloat-wares, gnome, systemd,
> etc...

:D

I was thinking to send it to the off-topic list instead, but decided to
mention that dconf is less optimal on this list and not on the OT list,
to make the OP aware that Linux userspace is good, but some folks from
upstream, responsible for some kinds of Linux userspace, have different
ideas, than some Linux users have got.



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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Richard Owlett]

Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and updated 
your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie.


OMG, far from it, I have yet to achieve my objective, which is to install 
essential packages such as xorg, gnome-core or gnome-full off the USB 
flash/thumb drive without the need to access the internet. Certainly, I did 
learn something useful from you, such as apt-cdrom, dmesg and the mount point 
of a USB stick.
[*SNIP*]


I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include:
  1. not only minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking 
at all
  2. not only installing a few specified packages, but allow 
installing

 *any* package from the distro
  3. automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg

My project allows using a 64 GB flash drive.

See my thread titled "Copying complete SET of installation DVDs 
to a USB stick" beginning at 
https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net for what 
I've accomplished so far and hints as to how some problems will 
be addressed.


HTH



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Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 12:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:54:22 +0600
> Muntasim Ul Haque  wrote:
> 
> > When I press Enter then it boots into Windows 8 without any problem.
> > So I don't have any big issue here except Windows 8 is detected as
> > Windows Vista and that occurrence of error message. So what's the
> > remedy?
> 
> Grub used to be good software. Predictable, non-surprising, one config
> file you edited with an editor. Those days are gone.
> 
> Now, with grub 2, I need to be an expert on seven or so files that get
> processed into one big one, which acts as the config. I don't mind
> acquiring expertise for something important like LaTeX for writing
> books or Python for making my computer do my bidding, but I don't want
> to spend hours or days gaining expertise just for a program telling the
> computer the kernel and initrd locations, and a few other things. With
> gui, splash screens, frame-buffers, and all sorts of other gobblty-gook.
> 
> I considered going back to LILO, but it still has no understanding of
> filesystems: It's easy to bork and hard to fix. Not as hard as Grub 2
> though.
> 
> Is there a simpler bootloader that works with Linux? I don't want GUI.
> I don't want a framebuffer. I don't want a splash screen. And I don't
> want to wade through seven files to turn those things off. Basically,
> I'd like something like LILO that understands ext4.

Pff, I'm using grub2 and I edit grub.cfg directly. However, a lot of
experienced Linux users prefer Syslinux.


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Re: Re: grub2 menu problems

[Muntasim Ul Haque]

I'm using Debian Wheezy and grub2 is default here. And I do not have 
Windows Vista installed. It's just as I told you, grub2 detected Windows 
8 as Windows Vista.



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Re: Sudo Autoremove wanting to kill my system?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 16:29 -0500, c. marlow wrote:
> Holy cow Andrei, that package you told me to install, installed like a
> ton of things that were not even in the iso I downloaded from
> debian.org.
> 
> So far so good, going to go back and reinstall all the codecs for flash etc.
> 
> I went though and told synaptic to remove all apps I installed ( total
> removal) and reinstalled them to be sure.
> Evolution, Cairo dock, vlc, chromium,
> 
> but now I have two of some stuff Like 2 task managers, 2
> screenshot apps, and they're the same both XFCE versions. its like
> that task-xfce  package doubled everything?



Unfortunately I can't change the address I use for Xubuntu user from
Alice to Rocketmail or Yahoo, I don't receive a conformation mail. And
for some other reason I need to run evolution --force-shutdown all trhe
times, still for a downgraded version of Evolution. Mailing with Linux
nowadays becomes tricky :D.

However, I planed to send this to the "[xubuntu-users] highlighting and
clicking in EVOLUTION" thread:

This likely is an issue I experienced a long time ago too. Perhaps for
Ubunbtu Studio (Xubuntu) only, but more likely for all of my Linux
installs (e.g. Arch too). I guess it's related to the used GTK version
and/or the used version of Evolution.

My recommendation to the OP is to stay with one Linux distro and then
try to learn how to fix issues. While I guess there's no fix for the
Evolution issue he's experiencing now, but to wait for an upgrade.
However, the OP is a novice experiencing issues with Debian and Xubuntu,
not trying to fix issues, but to install one thing after the other.


_My recommendation to the OP is to stay with one distro, one DE, one
choice of apps and to learn how to fix issues._


Evolution might not be the MUA you want to use, ask the community for a
better MUA.

Switching distros could be helpful if you know what you do, but unlikely
will help you to solve the problems a novice will experience.


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Patrick Chkoreff]

Steve Litt wrote, On 04/23/2014 12:07 PM:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:06:41 -0300
> Daniel Bareiro  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm writing a bash script that runs several routing commands. I would
>> like these commands, on a part of the script, plus run, are saved to a
>> log file.
>>
>> I guess maybe it could be done by putting the commands in a variable
>> and then do:
>>
>> $CMD
>> echo $CMD
>>
>>
>> But perhaps there is a more elegant way to do this in a single line.
> 
> Make a function in the bash script something like this:
> 
> function do_command(){
>   echo -n `date` >> $logfile
>   echo $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 >> $logfile
>   $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 
> }
> 
> If you want to record the output of each command, you'd change the
> final line to $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6  >> $logfile
> 
> In the main script, you'd call it like this:
> 
> do_command sudo mount -a
> 
> I haven't tested this, so you'll need to tighten it up a little, and it
> could be made more elegant, but it's a starting point.


Good, but I think you can avoid the positional params by just using $@,
as I do here in my "run" function:

https://github.com/chkoreff/Fexl/blob/fresh/src/build#L34



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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 13:10 -0400, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> Good, but I think you can avoid the positional params by just using $@

If you use $1 $2 $3 ..., then you at least should use a loop, by taking
care of the count of parameters, using $# which does show how much
parameters are used.

I usually use $*, it's "quasi" equal to $@, but easier to remember,
because * is also used as a wildcard for globbing. However, $* and $@ is
for ($1 $2 $3 ...), while "$@" other than "$*" expanded to "$1" "$2"
"$3" ...


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 19:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 13:10 -0400, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> > Good, but I think you can avoid the positional params by just using $@
> 
> If you use $1 $2 $3 ..., then you at least should use a loop, by taking
> care of the count of parameters, using $# which does show how much
> parameters are used.
> 
> I usually use $*, it's "quasi" equal to $@, but easier to remember,
> because * is also used as a wildcard for globbing. However, $* and $@ is
> for ($1 $2 $3 ...), while "$@" other than "$*" expanded to "$1" "$2"
> "$3" ...

"$*" is "$1 $2 $3 ... $n"



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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Brian]

On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 10:45:13 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:

> On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > python-dev isn't required to set up printing.
> 
> It is required if I want to set it up -- or have to set it up -- using
> http://hplipopensource.com.

You have already been told: it is not required if you *want* to set up
printing. You may feel the need to *have to* set it up that way but the
reasons are unspecified.

> > That can be done using http://localhost:631
> 
> I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular
> printer mentioned above.

If CUPS cannot find a PPD how do you expect hplip to conjure one up?

> > or with lpinfo plus lpadmin.
> 
> I am not sure I understand what you mean by the above.  They do not
> seem to be root commands.  I am aware that lpadmin is a group of which
> I am a member.

You caused me to check my spelling. :) Then I did 'which lpinfo' and
'which lpadmin' as root. There are manual pages for both commands.


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Re: UEFI install

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> - Original Message -
> From: Corey Blair
> Sent: 04/23/14 10:11 PM
> To: Steve McIntyre
> Subject: Re: UEFI install
> 
> I downloaded debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and then used unetbootin to make a 
> bootable USB flash drive from it. I changed UEFI boot to legacy mode and 
> booted off the UEFI USB.

This is the first time I heard one could create a UEFI USB installer using 
Unetbootin. How did you manage to do it?

>The installer runs fine, but I have trouble loading the components from 
>"cd-rom", so I execute a shell and mount /dev/sdb /cdrom, which used to work 
>but now it's failing with "invalid argument".

At which point did you have trouble loading components from "cd-rom"? during 
the installation process? or.?

> but now I am having difficulties with even loading the components off USB.

Did you mean that you could not complete the whole installation process?


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encfs systemd startup script - how to ask for a password?

[Julian Gilbey]

Hello!

I have a sysvinit script which reads something like this (boring bits
such as error checking and log messages omitted):

#! /bin/sh
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  mountencfs
# Required-Start:mountall
# Required-Stop:
# Default-Start: S
# Default-Stop:
# X-Interactive: true
# Short-Description: Mount encfs filesystems.
# Description:
### END INIT INFO

[...]
do_start(){
  edir=/home/.encfs/jdg
  pdir=/home/jdg

  mkdir $pdir
  encfs --public "$edir" "$pdir"
}

case "$1" in
  start|"")
do_start
;;
esac


Under sysvinit, this is fine: the Debian X-Interactive header means
that the script stops, prompts for the encfs password, and then
continues.  (My encfs password is distinct from my login password for
various reasons, and I do need to mount the directory at boot time.)

I am considering converting to systemd, but I cannot figure out how to
replicate this behaviour.  I have tried replacing the encfs call with:

encfs --extpass="/bin/systemd-ask-password --timeout=0 --no-tty 'Encfs
  password for $pdir:'" --public "$edir" "$pdir"

(all on one line), with the unit file specifying that it is wanted by
multi-user.target.  systemd-ask-password does run, as I can ascertain
by logging in as root and running ps.  But I'm not prompted for a
password at all, unless I then run systemd-ask-password (or something
like that) as root.

What am I doing wrong, and what can I do about it?

Thanks!

   Julian


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Re: UEFI install

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> - Original Message -
> From: Steve McIntyre
> Sent: 04/23/14 10:25 PM
> To: Corey Blair
> Subject: Re: UEFI install

> Gah, yet another person using unetbootin. It's responsible for a lot of 
> problem reports we're seeing these days. It's totally unnecessary
> unetbootin will not start the installer in the right way, and AFAIK won't do 
> the right things with UEFI either.

Well, I have to disagree with you.

I have been using Unetbootin for the past two years to "burn" Linux distros 
such as Debian (Squeeze and Wheezy), Ubuntu (from versions 12 to 13) and Linux 
Mint on to a USB flash/thumb drive and then using it to install on to my hard 
disk drive without even a single problem.


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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Brian]

On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 09:46:52 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

> P.S.: If you are one of the developers/maintainers, it would be good if you 
> could help us (users) out.

I am not a developer or a maintainer; the only thing I am intent on is
to maintain my sanity.

You will have to submit any bug report yourself. Whether it is ever
fixed in Wheezy is doubtful. But you now have two ways to make progress
with what you want to do. '--no-auto-detect' appears to be the key but
when the manual says

   It is necessary to use apt-cdrom to add CDs to the APT system; it
   cannot be done by hand.

we can question the "cannot be done by hand" assertion.


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

[Ralf Mardorf]

 Forwarded Message 
From: Ralf Mardorf 
To: debian-user lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 20:33:14 +0200
Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 

PPS:

If you're using #!/bin/sh for Linux you at least should take care that
your script is compatible to dash and bash.



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Re: UEFI install

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

On 23.04.2014 14:57, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Steve McIntyre
Sent: 04/23/14 10:25 PM
To: Corey Blair
Subject: Re: UEFI install


Gah, yet another person using unetbootin. It's responsible for a lot 
of problem reports we're seeing these days. It's totally unnecessary
unetbootin will not start the installer in the right way, and AFAIK 
won't do the right things with UEFI either.


Well, I have to disagree with you.

I have been using Unetbootin for the past two years to "burn" Linux
distros such as Debian (Squeeze and Wheezy), Ubuntu (from versions 12
to 13) and Linux Mint on to a USB flash/thumb drive and then using it
to install on to my hard disk drive without even a single problem.


I've got 2 laptops I've recently installed with Debian 7.4 using a UEFI 
from a bootable USB. I found unetbootin was useless though I'd used it 
before in the past to make boot USB. In this instance I simply 'cp 
debian-7.4.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX was my USB drive. Seemed odd 
just doing a cp but it actually worked flawlessly and was what I found 
the release notes recommended. In the case of one of my laptops I then 
had to immediately upgrade to Jessie to get certain hardware working 
given the new hardware devices it had.



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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Owlett
> Sent: 04/24/14 12:49 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 
> 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

> I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include: 1. not only 
> minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking at all 2. not only 
> installing a few specified packages, but allow installing *any* package from 
> the distro 3. automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg

Well, I hate to be the harbinger of bad news. It appears there is a bug in 
apt-cdrom that prevents one from installing packages -post-installation- from 
the USB stick without the need to access the internet. According to people in 
the know, the bug is said to have been fixed in Debian Jessie. And if the post 
referenced by 
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-8-0-quot-Jessie-quot-Should-Arrive-by-the-End-of-2015-391154.shtml
 is any indication, the official release date of Debian Jessie is end 2015 (a 
wait of about 20 months.) If you know the APT package's developers, you could 
petition them to issue a bug fix before the release of Debian 7.5, which is 
planned for early May 2014.

> See my thread titled "Copying complete SET of installation DVDs to a USB 
> stick" beginning at https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net for 
> what I've accomplished so far and hints as to how some problems will be 
> addressed.

With reference to your post at 
https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net, if you still encounter 
problems and I think they aren't OS-specific, may I suggest that you make a 
post at http://unix.stackexchange.com/  There are many experts in that forum.

Regards.

Theodore


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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> - Original Message -
> From: Brian
> Sent: 04/24/14 03:03 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 
> 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
> 
> I am not a developer or a maintainer; the only thing I am intent on is to 
> maintain my sanity.

Thanks for the joke. It lightens my day ;)

> You will have to submit any bug report yourself.

Thanks, I will file a bug report. If Richard Owlett reads this post, I hope he 
will do too.

> Whether it is ever fixed in Wheezy is doubtful.

Oh dear, oh dear! My and Richard's hope is dashed :(


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Re: Re: grub2 menu problems

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> - Original Message -
> From: Muntasim Ul Haque
> Sent: 04/24/14 12:43 AM
> To: mailingl...@darac.org.uk
> Subject: Re: Re: grub2 menu problems
> 
> I'm using Debian Wheezy and grub2 is default here. And I do not have Windows 
> Vista installed. It's just as I told you, grub2 detected Windows 8 as Windows 
> Vista.

Other than the problem of grub2 failing to detect Windows 8 properly, you are 
able to boot into Windows 8, is that correct? If yes, I would leave it at that 
if I were you.


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libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict

[Gary Roach]

Hi all,

I am running an Intel i5-750, 4 core processor with Debian 3.2.54-2 
x86-64 OS and Debian Squeeze. Recent attempts to update the system, with 
Aptitude (and dpkg), have failed because of a conflict between libc-bin 
and libc-bin-amd64. I have not been able to resolve the conflict. My 
dpkg update system is essentially frozen (everything hangs up at the 
conflict notification).


Anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve this conflict. Deleting one 
of the files is not an option. The software refuses to allow this.


Gary R.


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Re: UEFI install

[Corey Blair]

So I can just do a file copy in Windows of the .iso to the thumb drive?  Not 
actually extracting the iso image?  I will try that later tonite, but also 
seems odd to me that it would work. 
 


 From: Jeremy T. Bouse 
To: Theodore Alcapotaxis  
Cc: Steve McIntyre ; Corey Blair ; 
debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2014, 12:07
Subject: Re: UEFI install
  

On 23.04.2014 14:57, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

>> - Original Message -
>> From: Steve McIntyre
>> Sent: 04/23/14 10:25 PM
>> To: Corey Blair
>> Subject: Re: UEFI install
>
>> Gah, yet another person using unetbootin. It's responsible for a lot 
>> of problem reports we're seeing these days. It's totally unnecessary
>> unetbootin will not start the installer in the right way, and AFAIK 
>> won't do the right things with UEFI either.
>
> Well, I have to disagree with you.
>
> I have been using Unetbootin for the past two years to "burn" Linux
> distros such as Debian (Squeeze and Wheezy), Ubuntu (from versions 12
> to 13) and Linux Mint on to a USB flash/thumb drive and then using it
> to install on to my hard disk drive without even a single problem.

I've got 2 laptops I've recently installed with Debian 7.4 using a UEFI 
from a bootable USB. I found unetbootin was useless though I'd used it 
before in the past to make boot USB. In this instance I simply 'cp 
debian-7.4.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX was my USB drive. Seemed odd 
just doing a cp but it actually worked flawlessly and was what I found 
the release notes recommended. In the case of one of my laptops I then 
had to immediately upgrade to Jessie to get certain hardware working 
given the new hardware devices it had.

Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

[Aaro Koskinen]

Hi,

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:18:50PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Is there a simpler bootloader that works with Linux? I don't want GUI.
> I don't want a framebuffer. I don't want a splash screen. And I don't
> want to wade through seven files to turn those things off. Basically,
> I'd like something like LILO that understands ext4.

It should be still possible with GRUB2. I don't use any of those either,
and my grub.cfg is like:

linux ...
initrd ...
boot

A.


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Re: UEFI install

[Steve McIntyre]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:50:57PM -0700, Corey Blair wrote:
>
>So I can just do a file copy in Windows of the .iso to the thumb
>drive?  Not actually extracting the iso image?  I will try that later
>tonite, but also seems odd to me that it would work. 

No, copying the file directly from Windows won't work. Use
win32diskimager as I suggested, and you should be fine.

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Re: UEFI install

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

Corey,

If you don't like to use unetbootin, you could try one of the following:

1. pendrivelinux (url: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/)
2. rufus (url: http://rufus.akeo.ie/)

Both are free and open-source and they don't need to be installed on Windows.

Which version of Windows are you using? and in what language?


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Re: Mysql database dump quit working

[Steve]

> I have a mediawiki site running on Mysql db; I just started getting this
> message on my automated backup;
> 
> mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mywiki/searchindex' is marked as
> crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when using LOCK TABLES

  The table is marked as crashed, and an automatic attempt to repair
 failed.

  Use the MySQL command-line client to repair the table manually:

mysql --user=root --pass
 > USE mediawiki ;- Or whatever your DB is called
 > REPAIR TABLE `searchindex`;

  If that fails you should restore your backup.  

> Any ideas?

  Wasn't the message clear?  If not you might wish to submit a bug
 report to the MySQL people to suggest alternative wording which
 makes the problem more explicit.

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Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 23:25 +0300, Aaro Koskinen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:18:50PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Is there a simpler bootloader that works with Linux? I don't want GUI.
> > I don't want a framebuffer. I don't want a splash screen. And I don't
> > want to wade through seven files to turn those things off. Basically,
> > I'd like something like LILO that understands ext4.
> 
> It should be still possible with GRUB2. I don't use any of those either,
> and my grub.cfg is like:
> 
>   linux ...
>   initrd ...
>   boot

Currently, my manually edited grub.cfg does look like the one below. No
splash screens and other crap, I just didn't care about all unneeded
crap and some entries are strange, because I'm lazy and used provided
software to transform a menu.lst to a grub.cfg.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /mnt/debi386/boot/grub/grub.cfg
# 2014-Apr-21

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
  load_env
fi
set default="0"
if [ "${prev_saved_entry}" ]; then
  set saved_entry="${prev_saved_entry}"
  save_env saved_entry
  set prev_saved_entry=
  save_env prev_saved_entry
  set boot_once=true
fi

function savedefault {
  if [ -z "${boot_once}" ]; then
saved_entry="${chosen}"
save_env saved_entry
  fi
}

function load_video {
  insmod vbe
  insmod vga
  insmod video_bochs
  insmod video_cirrus
}

insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then
  set gfxmode=640x480
  load_video
  insmod gfxterm
  insmod part_msdos
  insmod ext2
  set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
  set locale_dir=($root)/boot/grub/locale
  set lang=en_US
  insmod gettext
fi
terminal_output gfxterm
set timeout=5
### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
insmod png
if background_image /usr/share/images/desktop-base/joy-grub.png; then
  set color_normal=white/black
  set color_highlight=black/white
else
  set menu_color_normal=cyan/blue
  set menu_color_highlight=white/blue
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###

menuentry 'Debian,Linux 3.8.13-rt14-pae-rocketmouse-2' --class 
debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 
3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
echo'Loading Linux 3.8.13-rt14-pae-rocketmouse-2 ...'
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.8.13-rt14-pae-rocketmouse-2 
root=UUID=3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f ro  quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-3.8.13-rt14-pae-rocketmouse-2
}

menuentry 'Debian,Linux 3.12-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae' --class debian 
--class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 
3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
echo'Loading Linux 3.12-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae ...'
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.12-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae 
root=UUID=3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f ro  quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-3.12-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae
}

menuentry 'Debian,Linux 3.8.13.14-rt30-pae-rocketmouse-1' 
--class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 
3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
echo'Loading Linux 3.8.13.14-rt30-pae-rocketmouse-1 ...'
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.8.13.14-rt30-pae-rocketmouse-1 
root=UUID=3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f ro  quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-3.8.13.14-rt30-pae-rocketmouse-1
}

menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae' --class debian 
--class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos15)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 
3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f
echo'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae ...'
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae 
root=UUID=3f6ced07-7c5d-4466-8914-50614b25126f ro  quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae
}

menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae (recovery mode)' 
--class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
in

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 24 apr 14, 00:32:21, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
> Currently it appears that privacy is becoming the new refuge of scoundrels.

At least this is what some are trying to make us believe.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Celejar]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 07:25:41 -0400
Tony Baldwin  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:50:14PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 19 apr 14, 13:38:06, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > 
> > > What with my authentication problems with my Yahoo Mail address on this
> > > list, anyone have personal recommendations for a good, free email
> > > service (other than gmail -- I don't want the mails getting routed to
> > > my phone) to run my lists subcriptions through?  I've been researching
> > > and most all that I've considered have gotten over 75% bad evaluations
> > > from those who've tried them.
> > > 
> > > I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or any
> > > attachments really), but I do need IMAP, so I can use Claws.  It must be
> > > reasonably secure and dependable, i.e, good "up" times.
> > 
> > I've had a reasonably good experience with GMX. I'm not using that 
> > address to post, but subscribing/unsubscribing works fine and the web 
> > interface can even do plain text :p
> 
> I'm using gmx.com with mutt over IMAP.
> Works fine.

Another +1 for GMX - I do POP3 via getmail with several GMX accounts -
works fine.

Celejar


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Celejar]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:22:49 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:

...

> http://www.zoho.com do IMAP & POP/SMTP.  Mailbox size is 5GB on a
free
> account.

+1 - I use a zoho account with POP3 via getmail - works fine.

Celejar


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Celejar]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:58:39 -0700
Patrick Bartek  wrote:

...

> IMAP was the recommended way to access free Yahoo Mail with an email
> client.  You had to convert to a paid account to get POP access.  Don't
> know if that's still the case.

Some accounts seem to get free POP, while others don't. I have a Yahoo
account I created a long time ago which has free POP, whereas one I
created more recently doesn't.

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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Celejar]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:29:39 +1200
Richard Hector  wrote:

> On 22/04/14 05:25, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > FYI: You're
> > forced into having a gmail account with an Android phone.
> 
> I think I have a gmail account somewhere. I've never associated it with
> my Android phone though.
> 
> That means of course that I don't have access to Google Play or whatever
> it's called, but I'm happy enough with the apps I can get from f-droid.

I really want to limit myself to f-droid, but they're really pretty
lacking. They don't even have an ssh server!

Celejar


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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 23 apr 14, 09:46:52, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:
> 
> 1. When will the next Debian version (codename: Jessie) be released?
 
Jessie will be frozen on 5th of November. If everything goes well the 
release could happen early 2015.

> 2. I read on the internet that there is long-term support (LTS) being 
> planned for Wheezy. 

For squeeze, not wheezy. The decision for wheeze will be taken based on 
how good or bad it worked out with squeeze.

> 3. Who shall I contact to ask Debian developers/maintainers to issue a 
> fix for the bug for Wheezy? 

This should be done by or at least in coordination with the package 
maintainer. I didn't follow the thread very closely, could you please 
tell me which bug (number) is this?

Kind regards,
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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 23 apr 14, 15:14:10, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:
> 
> And if the post referenced by 
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-8-0-quot-Jessie-quot-Should-Arrive-by-the-End-of-2015-391154.shtml
>  
> is any indication, the official release date of Debian Jessie is end 
> 2015 (a wait of about 20 months.) 

"by the end of 2015". Small but significant difference.

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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 23 apr 14, 11:25:50, Ken Heard wrote:
> > 
> > 0. Make sure your packages are ok
> > 
> > dpkg --audit
> 
> Command returned nothing.
 
Good.

> > 1. Confirm which packages need to be downgraded
> > 
> > aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(backports))'
> 
> This command also returned nothing.

Oups, forgot they are not in backports *anymore*. Try this instead

aptitude search '?narrow(?installed?version(bpo))'

> > 2. Make sure you have all needed debs downloaded locally, *in
> > advance*.
> 
> Do you mean creating a local repository for the two debs I need,
> adding that repository to /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get
> update?  The two packages I want to install are already in the squeeze
> repository.

No, I mean download the .deb files.

> > For safety you should probably also have the debs of packages
> > currently installed so you can revert if something goes wrong.
> > 
> > If you didn't clean apt's cache these will be in 
> > /var/cache/apt/archives,
> 
> That directory contains only 123 deb files; obviously many more than
> 125 are currently installed.  I have never consciously cleaned the
> cache.  Does something in a chron file perhaps clean it periodically?
> 
> > otherwise download them from snapshot.debian.org.
> 
> I looked at the website, it would be quite an effort to find a date
> which would cover the current state of all packages installed in the
> box.  I would doubtless miss many.

Not all packages, just the debs for python and python-minimal 
corresponding to your installed versions.

> > 3a. use dpkg --force-depends to remove python and python-minimal
> > 
> > dpkg --force-depends --purge python python-minimal
> 
> If I understand it correctly, --force-depends will warn me of broken
> dependencies only; it will not remove package chains which will not
> work when those two packages are removed.

dpkg is a low level tool, if you ask it to remove (just) python and 
python-minimal it will not try to be smart and remove more. However, 
without the --force switch it will refuse to do it, because it would 
result in broken dependencies.

> > 3b. use dpkg to install the stable versions
> > 
> > dpkg --install 
> 
> As the two files I want are already in old stable (squeeze), and that
> is where /etc/apt/sources.list points to, surely all I would need to
> do is merely list them.

sources.list is for apt, dpkg needs .deb files.

> > Alternatively you can also use
> > 
> > dpkg --force-downgrade --install 
> > 
> > but my feeling is that purging and installing is safer.
> 
> Probably, but setting up a reverting backup as you described does not
> inspire confidence.  Perhaps it would be better to do without printing
> -- I do not have another printer -- until I can upgrade to Wheezy in a
> month or two.  I could live with that option but with bad grace.

That is your choice to make.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 23 apr 14, 11:58:49, Gary Roach wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am running an Intel i5-750, 4 core processor with Debian 3.2.54-2 x86-64
> OS and Debian Squeeze. Recent attempts to update the system, with Aptitude
> (and dpkg), have failed because of a conflict between libc-bin and
> libc-bin-amd64. I have not been able to resolve the conflict. My dpkg update
> system is essentially frozen (everything hangs up at the conflict
> notification).
> 
> Anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve this conflict. Deleting one of
> the files is not an option. The software refuses to allow this.

Please provide a copy-paste of the commands you run, otherwise we can 
only guess what happened.

Kind regards,
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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Richard Owlett]

Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Richard Owlett
Sent: 04/24/14 12:49 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 
7.4.0 _Wheezy_



I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include: 1. not only 
minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking at all 2. not only installing 
a few specified packages, but allow installing *any* package from the distro 3. 
automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg


Well, I hate to be the harbinger of bad news. It appears there is a bug in 
apt-cdrom that prevents one from installing packages -post-installation- from 
the USB stick without the need to access the internet.[SNIP]


I don't use apt-cdrom. I loop mount images of the DVDs. It may or 
may not meet your total needs. I hope to have a detailed write up 
in about a week. I'm using Squeeze (6.0.5) and Wheezy (7.1) as 
test beds. Not having fast internet I'm restricted to using only 
DVD sets available for purchase.




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Q: LDAP on Debian easy/short way

[Snow Leopard]

Hi,

is there an alternative for next book on LDAP (this book is good but 
quite outdated -- 2003)


http://secretoslinux.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/oreilly_-_ldap_system_administration.pdf

Particularly I am interested in next

1. [+] installation of slapd (accomplished)
2. [+] configuration of security (SASL/TLS [gnutls/openssl] -- acomplished)
3. [+] creating user accounts (accomplished)
4. [+] libnss and pam (acomplished)
5. [-] integration with samba
6. [-] integration with radius
7. [-] automount (what schema to use? nisautomount / automount)

I did search on internet and found many sources for configuring LDAP 
server. Much of information is or outdated or not complete.


Any reference to an URL covering above mentioned points is greatly 
appreciated. Or if somebody could provide a URL for "HowTo: LDAP server 
on Debian easy/short way" your input would be greatly appreciated.


NOTE: configuration of slapd by editing /etc/ldap/slapd.conf is 
considered "outdated" is there a document with good explanation of 
"modern way" with good examples


Thanks,
Andy


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Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file

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On 04/23/2014 05:34 AM, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> Hi, Ty.
>
> On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:34:29 -0700,
> ty wrote:
>
>> Perhaps this will work?
>> #!/bin/bash
>> echo 1 #Non Logged Commands
>> echo 2
>> echo 3
>> echo 4
>> (
>> set -x
>> echo 5 #Logged Commands
>> echo 6
>> echo 7
>> echo 8
>> ) 2>> log
>> echo 9 #Non Logged Commands
>> echo 10
>>
>> Output of terminal:
>> 1
>> 2
>> 3
>> 4
>> 5
>> 6
>> 7
>> 8
>> 9
>> 10
>>
>> Output of log:
>> ++ echo 5
>> ++ echo 6
>> ++ echo 7
>> ++ echo 8
>
> This seems to be what I need. Although in some parts of the script, I am
> getting an "ambiguous redirect".
2> log means redirect (>) errors (2) to log
A ambiguous redirect sounds like the variable is empty.
To demonstrate:
a=" "
echo hello > $a
bash: $a: ambiguous redirect
Make sure ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}is not being set inside the sub-proccess ( )
and is a valid variable.
>
>
>
>  87   ### Add routes ###
>  88   $ECHO "Applying rules for simultaneous routing..."
>  89   (
>  90 set -x
>  91 $IP route add ${VPN_NET[$N]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[$N]} src
${VPN_IP[$N]} table $N
>  92 $IP route add default via ${VPN_GW[$N]} table $N
>  93
>  94 $IP route add ${VPN_NET[$N]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[$N]} src
${VPN_IP[$N]}
>  95
>  96 $IP rule add from ${VPN_IP[$N]} table $N
>  97   ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
>  98   $ECHO
=
>  99   ### Add routes ###
> 100 done
> 101
> 102 ### We make balancing between the two VPNs ###
> 103 $ECHO "Applying rules for balancing..."
> 104
> 105 $ECHO "We removed the default route on the server..."
> 106 (
> 107   set -x
> 108   $IP route del default via 162.252.86.177
> 109 ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
> 110 $ECHO "...and we distribute outbound traffic between the two
VPNs..."
> 111 (
> 112   set -x
> 113   $IP route add default scope global \
> 114 nexthop via ${VPN_IP[1]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[1]}
weight 1 \
> 115 nexthop via ${VPN_IP[2]} dev ${VPN_IFACE[2]} weight 1
> 116 ) 2>> ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}
> 117 ### We make balancing between the two VPNs ###
> 118 fi
>
> For example, I am getting this error on line 118, but previous run
> smoothly.
>
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel

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Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_

[Theodore Alcapotaxis]

> I don't use apt-cdrom. I loop mount images of the DVDs. It may or may not 
> meet your total needs. I hope to have a detailed write up in about a week. 
> I'm using Squeeze (6.0.5) and Wheezy (7.1) as test beds.

Best of luck on your endeavor and if you need someone to debug, you can always 
find experts on Unix and Linux by clicking the following link: 
http://unix.stackexchange.com/

Please keep me informed of when you finish your project.


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 18:12 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:58:39 -0700
> Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > IMAP was the recommended way to access free Yahoo Mail with an email
> > client.  You had to convert to a paid account to get POP access.  Don't
> > know if that's still the case.
> 
> Some accounts seem to get free POP, while others don't. I have a Yahoo
> account I created a long time ago which has free POP, whereas one I
> created more recently doesn't.

My Yahoo account isn't old, just a few month old, after it became
impossible to get another Rocketmail account, but has got free as in
beer POP support.


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Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

[Marc Shapiro]

On 04/23/2014 09:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:54:22 +0600
Muntasim Ul Haque  wrote:


When I press Enter then it boots into Windows 8 without any problem.
So I don't have any big issue here except Windows 8 is detected as
Windows Vista and that occurrence of error message. So what's the
remedy?

Grub used to be good software. Predictable, non-surprising, one config
file you edited with an editor. Those days are gone.

Now, with grub 2, I need to be an expert on seven or so files t

That is why I am still using lilo.  I can understand the lilo.conf file!

Marc


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