On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 14:08 +0000, mailer-dae...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. > > <debian-user@lists.debian.org>: > Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 <debian-user@lists.debian.org>: Recipient address > rejected: Mail appeared to be SPAM or forged. Ask your Mail/DNS-Administrator > to correct HELO and DNS MX settings or to get removed from DNSBLs; please > relay via your ISP (rocketmail.com) [RCPT_TO > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; > 23 Apr 2014 14:08:31 -0000 > Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; > 23 Apr 2014 14:08:30 -0000 > Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr > 2014 14:08:30 -0000 > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; > s=s1024; t=1398262110; bh=6mGM52B9Zhd1fHmfpuwa0FdNwakk2nIR8UDo3TvVfGs=; > h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; > > b=PhI78Gt/ofHm3ABqDUAXHSAhPtkkwkM1CvtDUAG5DBqoFdm4/6WWKU/pAxWvCd4SidNEz5S+idV9AUxWpvN18jQF5sVs5foHZPFW365oGO+iwhDWZmUrpAKpSBb3jtBtGSlYPgelpgZi3NrCPDKJEwwX0PdpePtX7tXY6Tyya/M= > X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 953662.92540...@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com > X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 > X-YMail-OSG: Qm5y7QIVM1m7joPoxG6pj1hEXk1FaVbOIp58ztxAcBu8Jhf > LBKTHdEcgZ56741kSft1KODFrpqAtO.7v4LGy6JLzeP4p9_TT.jlHViUY3Hk > rgphL3JxVD0.e3h47IN0sdwyRMd9W4otvXDG_8nCnHnRi5gJpZDfheaffVAw > wO.bf_LSOWFtSz.zvbGrQj7NoV7EIfl9IhQUweMHWZ4A5DSz_7KJGR4GCQvq > .XziVOTciAWYJ8nlX4z9Eo4qg1Y70wrk71K19R2UYHHfZNHiwiaA0PY4Gice > YPitEA2DCU5xcoKPDnm3frMTtVNv7b.wBeX_cq.9ODN7v4uvhM_DeSqt61ie > VfG8jnijyYl4HQD29ihB2V8uJVGxc7nmqQCACttip4eXFPf2N.tjxL4HMIEm > GnaHWENvwVCSrkbHJPLuPKSuxvMCtth_Tcna8lx.kMJVDa4dyOQ.U1jneIwh > wrqgkCmHC1F9YREhlskvJW60aMUvaAwO3sXjSFCrXHzFWliiXvv9p8PmdOFe > Dvr_AHPYv2W.YVAwom4zzoVorvXguANe6i2mBRsRIrVLWFoBq56ElL1kHj.o > VWDdAXQHOfZBJ1I79aOKwFYvhvx2i4XMewrWbqmbuDg-- > X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- > X-Rocket-Received: from [85.182.16.243] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.16.243 with > plain [188.125.69.59]) > by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2014 14:08:30 +0000 > UTC > Message-ID: <1398262110.859.44.camel@archlinux> > Subject: Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service > From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:08:30 +0200 > In-Reply-To: <1398261663.859.41.camel@archlinux> > References: <20140419133806.2016d...@debian7.boseck208.net> > <20140422220431.03e30...@debian7.boseck208.net> > <20140423122225.ga24...@newton.itcfollmann.com> > <201404231356.28915.lisi.re...@gmail.com> > <20140423132425.gb24...@newton.itcfollmann.com> > <1398261663.859.41.camel@archlinux> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 16:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 09:24 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > Pointless and wrong too. The fact that the ads don't make it to your > > > screen > > > doesn't mean you are not targeted. > > > > > > See the point I am trying to make here: our "free" culture has a very high > > > social price. The fact that you do not pay for google, facebook, twitter, > > > etc. does not mean they are free. > > > And tools like the debian project allow us to make decisions to work > > > against these social inequities. And maybe sometimes it is worth paying > > > money for some things to get some freedom back. The internet was at it > > > inception a very decentralized idea. Today it is massively centralized. > > > Especially breaking the communication part back open is a very important > > > part for a free and open society. This is also why I do not like gmail, > > > yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions. > > > > I don't like any provider. I didn't follow this thread. Is there a > > recommendation? > > > > Log into your mailman accounts for other mailing lists and you will see > > your bounce score, perhaps not seriously high, but there likely is one. > > > > I receive mails from mailing lists with my Alice account, but if I try > > to reply using the Alice account I get this: > > > > "This message does not comply with required standards." > > > > So today I send mails to the Debian list using a Rocketmail (Yahoo) > > account, while I receive by the Alice account. For Arch general I > > received messages by Alice too, but since it#s not an open list, I > > needed to change from Alice to Rocketmail (Yahoo). > > > > JFTR all accounts, Alice and Rocketmail caused trouble some days ago, > > but the Alice account was unsubscribed from Debian.org lists and > > delivery was disabled for several, not all, mailman lists I'm subscribed > > too, the issues with Rocketmail (Yahoo) were not that extreme. > > PS: Rocketmail wasn't Yahoo all the times. Consider that nowadays some > "good", independent provider will be owned by Yahoo or Google next year > too.
OK, now this doesn't work anymore :D. However, not only the providers are bad, Debian sees mail as spam, that isn't spam. I suspect the end of mailing lists is near :(. More and more people run into issues when using mailing lists. The bad, without mailing lists Linux will die! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1398262595.4233.3.camel@archlinux
