You really need to do more to justify this line of thinking in the first place. Why exactly would IBM (and Red Hat) shoot itself in the foot by trying to take RHEL closed source? It makes no sense whatsoever, either in a legal sense, because they would be fighting established copyright law, or in a PR sense, in terms of going back on 25 years of open source commitments.
Is there any justification for this line of thought? The fact that they did something to CentOS isn't really an argument, here. They were absolutely within their rights to alter what CentOS did, since they own the property. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:22 PM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Certainly, let’s hope not!! > > > > But what concerns me is that, and just to reference the 2 you mention, each > are 501(c)(3)s. Not sure about the latter, but according to the wiki for FSF, > their total 2017 budget was $1,373,645. Now, granted, that is operating > budget, and doesn’t reflect what might be their overall, current total legal > slush funding. But in looking at just that annual budget, it pales in > comparison to what IBM reported as $8.165B in cash-on-hand as of 06/30/2021. > > > > IBM paid roughly $34B for Red Hat. It doesn’t take rocket science in the > business world to expect that they might want to keep free alternatives to > their mainline RHEL at some disadvantage, or easily vulnerable thereof. > > > > All I’m saying is that push-come-to-shove, it might be a harder uphill battle > than you think. > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > From: Tilghman Lesher > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 12:56 PM > To: NLUG > Subject: Re: [nlug] CentOS replacement?OpenSUSE? Ubu20? > > > > > They really can't do that for most packages, not without violating the > license of the various projects. Remember, you can modify software to > your heart's content, but as soon as you redistribute it, you have to > include the source code for those changes. There's far too much > contributed software for them to be able to switch to closed source. > > As to who could take them to court over this, there are multiple > entities, such as the Free Software Foundation, as well as the > Software Freedom Conservancy, who have the resources to prevail in > court, not to mention the immediate revolt within their own ranks, for > trying to go Closed Source. There's just no way this scenario would > succeed. > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In theory (litigated, or not), yes. But, should IBM cut off access to the > > SRPMS, whose got the money to take them to court over it? Very few other > > commercial entities out there depend on Red Hat’s SRPMS, so there’d likely > > be little incentive to lay down the consider costs to go after them. > > Without those SRPMS, maintaining a free Rocky or Alma (or even having a > > CentOS in the first place) would be next to impossible, at least in the > > sense of mirroring RHEL. Funny how this aspect is often glazed over. Red > > Hat could also share source in a way that makes it much more painful to > > even bother with it. > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > > > > > From: Kent Perrier > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:54 AM > > To: nlug-talk > > Subject: Re: [nlug] CentOS replacement?OpenSUSE? Ubu20? > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 6:43 AM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> And, of course, I can’t help but wonder if it will it eventually get > >> “CentOS’d(ead)” by IBM as well. > > > > > > What influence does IBM have over Rocky Linux to kill it? All of the RHEL > > code is GPL, Rocky (and Alma) will always have access to it. > > > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nlug-talk/CA%2B6_KC96vxbwd_TgNHctyuFfvTyTSBUcG0AL2Yem%3D5guZKtYxw%40mail.gmail.com. > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nlug-talk/32768296.117329.1634661845701.JavaMail.zimbra%40mail.jobsoft.net. > > > > -- > Tilghman > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nlug-talk/CAHPkZcVfuFQWiMqF0iLGETjxgxnJ7BaN9iHDvuSpbcZN9%3DUAgg%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nlug-talk/1671787314.117603.1634667734246.JavaMail.zimbra%40mail.jobsoft.net. -- Tilghman -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. 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