On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 8:36 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 11:58, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote: > > > > tison wrote on 3/20/25 3:53 AM: > > >> HyperKitty looks much nicer than PonyMail and is well-maintained. > > > > > > Not sure if we should fork a new thread to discuss about choosing > > > mailing list archive. > > > > Yes, discussions around mail archiving at the ASF belong over on > > members@ or with the Infra team, and are wholly separate from what the > > IPMC and PonyMail PPMC are doing. > > > > > Currently, on our website [1] we advocate three options: > > > > > > 1. [Apache mail archives](https://lists.apache.org/) > > > > These are the ASF's own hosted archives, including views of all of our > > archived mailing lists since the ASF's foundation. > > Not exactly. lists.a.o is hosted by a 3rd party. > > Also there are a few restricted lists and mail aliases that are not > published to lists.a.o > > > A key part of the > > ASF's ethos is that when it comes to our own history, we archive > > everything ourselves, under our own control. > > Lists.a.o is not under our control. > > However there is a separate mbox VM which is under ASF control, and > which includes all lists and aliases that are archived. > > > > 2. [MARC](http://marc.info/) > > > 3. [mail-archive.com](http://mail-archive.com/) > > > > This www-site page definitely needs a PR to add a comment about the > > other sites not being comprehensive or controlled by the ASF. > > > > > [1] https://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html > > > > > > But MARC doesn't contain a full list of our lists, and mail-archive's > > > UI is quite confusing. > > > > > > TBH I'm fine with lists.a.o. > > > > -- > > - Shane > > Member > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Though it isn't an Incubator concern, the Incubator should at least consider this as part of its decision making process: if the ASF ever needs to switch lists.a.o away from PonyMail, it is crucial to keep "permanent" links to archived mails *permanent*. Such links appear in places like version control logs etc. Cheers, Nathan
