On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 15:39, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that > > the PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork that differs and lacks proprietary > > parts
AIUI, lists.a.o runs code based on PonyMail Foal, but they have some proprietary code (in particular the authentication). The page footer says: Powered by Apache Pony Mail (Foal v/1.0.1 ~78ad7bf). [However there has never been a release of Foal] > Thanks for your information. If so, I agree that we may retire the > project if the current PMC won't continue it. My personal feeling is > that a potential contributor may mistake his/her effort would benefit > lists.a.o but actually not (at least not directly). Some of the fixes to PonyMail Foal have been incorporated into lists.a.o, but that does not happen automatically. Infra have to request for changes to be made; there may be a charge involved. > Best, > tison. > > Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:34写道： > > > > > Hi Tison, > > > > > On Mar 20, 2025, at 8:23 AM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > On Retirement, I have one question: does PonyMail have no more efforts > > > needed, even regular maintenance? > > > > The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that > > the PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork which differs and lacks > > proprietary parts. Consider asking for more detail from Infra unless > > someone directly involved wants to make a statement. > > > > A question could be for Sebb and if he finds the Pony Mail project helpful. > > > > > BTW, we have some repo that are part of our infrastructure, they don't > > > do ASF "release" IIUC but also not "retire" or archive. > > > > Sure we have infrastructure and now tooling archives. These also get > > archived if they are no longer relevant. > > > > Best, > > Dave > > > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:20写道： > > >> > > >> Let’s focus on the original question. > > >> > > >>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 12:35 AM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> The Pony Mail project has been incubating since 2016 and lately has > > >>> failed to submit its reports. The PPMC is struggling to attract people > > >>> and only has two or three active people on it. We have discussed this > > >>> project before but haven't concluded what to do with it. It is a mature > > >>> project that not many people are interested in, but we use a version of > > >>> it at https://lists.apache.org/ (although I believe it is not exactly > > >>> the same). > > >>> > > >>> Some options: > > >>> - We vote to retire the project - note that, unlike TLPs, podlings do > > >>> not go to the attic, but it could continue to live on GitHub. > > >>> - We vote to graduate the project and make it the board’s issue > > >> > > >> If the project becomes a TLP, will it be one of those like Whimsical > > >> that never release software? Is it needed? > > >> > > >> I lean towards Retirement, but if the several ASF Members involved want > > >> to continue then I would vote for graduation. > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> But I’m open to any other suggestions. > > >>> > > >>> The project has asked for other PPMC members, but even if it got them, > > >>> it’s unclear how teh project would graduate. > > >>> > > >>> We would, of course, bring this up with the project’s PMC before taking > > >>> any action. > > >>> > > >>> Kind Regards, > > >>> Justin > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
