> The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that the 
> PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork that differs and lacks proprietary parts

Thanks for your information. If so, I agree that we may retire the
project if the current PMC won't continue it. My personal feeling is
that a potential contributor may mistake his/her effort would benefit
lists.a.o but actually not (at least not directly).

Best,
tison.

Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:34写道:

>
> Hi Tison,
>
> > On Mar 20, 2025, at 8:23 AM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > On Retirement, I have one question: does PonyMail have no more efforts
> > needed, even regular maintenance?
>
> The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that the 
> PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork which   differs and lacks proprietary 
> parts. Consider asking for more detail from Infra unless someone directly 
> involved wants to make a statement.
>
> A question could be for Sebb and if he finds the Pony Mail project helpful.
>
> > BTW, we have some repo that are part of our infrastructure, they don't
> > do ASF "release" IIUC but also not "retire" or archive.
>
> Sure we have infrastructure and now tooling archives. These also get archived 
> if they are no longer relevant.
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> > Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:20写道:
> >>
> >> Let’s focus on the original question.
> >>
> >>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 12:35 AM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> The Pony Mail project has been incubating since 2016 and lately has 
> >>> failed to submit its reports. The PPMC is struggling to attract people 
> >>> and only has two or three active people on it. We have discussed this 
> >>> project before but haven't concluded what to do with it. It is a mature 
> >>> project that not many people are interested in, but we use a version of 
> >>> it at https://lists.apache.org/ (although I believe it is not exactly the 
> >>> same).
> >>>
> >>> Some options:
> >>> - We vote to retire the project - note that, unlike TLPs, podlings do not 
> >>> go to the attic, but it could continue to live on GitHub.
> >>> - We vote to graduate the project and make it the board’s issue
> >>
> >> If the project becomes a TLP, will it be one of those like Whimsical that 
> >> never release software? Is it needed?
> >>
> >> I lean towards Retirement, but if the several ASF Members involved want to 
> >> continue then I would vote for graduation.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> But I’m open to any other suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> The project has asked for other PPMC members, but even if it got them, 
> >>> it’s unclear how teh project would graduate.
> >>>
> >>> We would, of course, bring this up with the project’s PMC before taking 
> >>> any action.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>> Justin
> >>
> >>
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